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Backlog bonanza
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Archives 1–6
[edit]Welcome to the first instalment of Backlog Bonanza (click the link above, be prepared to be disappointed). All the LLMPRODs from Archives 1–6 are done (besides what's listed here). I haven't done any normal reverting, there's still loads of that in the archives if anyone fancies systematically going through them. At the linked page are users whose AINB reports got archived to Archives 1–6 or have a page in Category:AI noticeboard open cleanup cases. They're either recently editing and unresolved re whether to block, or consensus is needed re whether to LLMPROD their articles (and when to start from). Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:32, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
- for the masochistic there's always the list of user talk pages with uw-ai (not for LLMPROD, but for backlog) Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:02, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
- Also probably worth going through G15 notices, only ~500 of them Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:45, 8 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: Can we please get a block for Schaumturducken2020 (talk · contribs), they were reported January 2026 and warned many times but ignored it, and are still editing. Their most recent creation was 29 June which has a bunch of AI signs like
At least one source states the Principles comprised fifteen articles in editions circulating between 1933 and 1941, expanded to seventeen in the 1942 NDH-era Crljen edition. The combined 1933/1941 publication consulted by Tomasevich gives seventeen principles. Readers should consult Jareb's 2007 study (pp. 124–128) directly to resolve this discrepancy.
, em dashes,...though it played an important political and psychological role in Croatian history.
, WP:AIATTR Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:57, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
Blocked Schaumturducken2020 (talk · contribs) indefinitely from article space, as they have recently misused LLMs to generate article content without acknowledging previous talk page warnings. — Newslinger talk 21:30, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
@UtherSRG: It appears you are the mentor of Schaumturducken2020, who is apparently using AI to write, and has not acknowledged concerns placed on his user talk page. I don't see any interaction between the two of you since you posted the announcement of mentorship on the user talk page, but I wanted to know if you also support a mainspace block or some other administrative action. This is a collaborative project, communication is a critical element for collaboration, and Schaumturducken2020 is not communicating. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, communication is crucial. If they are unresponsive, I have no problem with going down the block route. - In solidarity, UtherSRG (talk) 01:07, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- I've made tracking pages for all the cases needing one in these archives, the ones left to potentially make I've listed at the above page (most of them are waiting on the LLMPRODs tbh) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:03, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
Archive 7
[edit]Done all the LLMPRODs in Archive 7 other than those listed, same story as above. More cases from Archive 7 than there were from 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 combined. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:22, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
- made all the tracking pages I could for cases which needed them, have listed ones I couldn't at the subpage Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:33, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
Archives 8–9
[edit]Same again. This should be the last big one from the archives since it's the last before WP:LLMPRV was passed. Enjoy Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:35, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
- Safeer Zaman (talk · contribs),
- Previous AINB thread, they were warned 2 May to no response and were notified of their articles being PRODed and draftified explicitly for LLM use (also in May). (20 July) has chatbot communication. (1 August) has loads of AI signs. @Admins willing to patrol AINB: I think a mainspace block is needed, they've never edited their user talk Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:06, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
- Blocked from mainspace, and I reverted the obvious AI authorship on August 1. Cleanup can commence. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 01:41, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
- (just noting here) Previous AINB thread in May, they received a thorough warning but went inactive, only to return 2 July to make an AI-generated draft Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:59, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
- What an incredibly ironic article topic to generate. Btw, it was submitted to article space and then draftified. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:04, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
- tracking pages done for these, only one I wasn't sure on (the others are waiting on LLMPRODs) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:14, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
ANI edition
[edit]This is a bit of a monster. I've included cases from the ANI archives up to 22 March 2026 (around the time NOLLM was passed) that need cleanup, there's (at time of writing) 50 cases that need more analysis, and an additional list of cases that need LLMPRV applied (most are no-brainers but still use judgement). I might add to this at some point, probably up until early May 2026 when LLMPRV was passed. I am dreading knocking on SPI's door ngl Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:34, 21 July 2026 (UTC)
- When an active editor like Shaumturducken2020 is blocked and then goes silent immediately with no activity for weeks, it indicates either that the editor gave up and left, or resumed the same activity as a sockpuppet. Knocking on the SPI door is unlikely to yield anything unless you have a suspected sockpuppet candidate, because checkusers aren't allowed to engage in fishing expeditions. Once you do have a candidate, a checkuser often does find related activity, however. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah it was more to see if there were any prolific LLM-using sockmasters or old cases still needing cleanup, and whether we can setup some sort of system (idk). Having gone through the ANI archives, like half of LLM cases turned out to be socks, and while most of their creations were WP:G5'd, obv some were left and not tagged w {{AI-generated}} and normal edits weren't always reverted. AFAIK it's usually up to the CU to do the cleanup, which seems like a pretty terrible system, but idk, will probably message Asilvering about it Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:03, 21 July 2026 (UTC)
- there absolutely are, but a lot of them aren't identified as AI Gnomingstuff (talk) 06:45, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think it should be up to a CU or any other admin to clean up everything; they should do whatever is needed that normal editors cannot do themselves (block accounts, protect pages, and delete pages), tag AI-generated pages for socks that cannot be publicly disclosed, and the rest of the community can assist in the cleanup. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 13:49, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah it was more to see if there were any prolific LLM-using sockmasters or old cases still needing cleanup, and whether we can setup some sort of system (idk). Having gone through the ANI archives, like half of LLM cases turned out to be socks, and while most of their creations were WP:G5'd, obv some were left and not tagged w {{AI-generated}} and normal edits weren't always reverted. AFAIK it's usually up to the CU to do the cleanup, which seems like a pretty terrible system, but idk, will probably message Asilvering about it Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:03, 21 July 2026 (UTC)
Wikiuser829
[edit]Wikiuser829 (talk · contribs), XTools
Yet another large pile of AI edits going back at least a year (most visible in new articles); no warnings until now. Gnomingstuff (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2026 (UTC)
- Chandrapur, Chhattisgarh (Dec 2024) had lots of AI signs, I'm unsure if their articles after that were consistently AI Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 09:29, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
- the Dec 2024 creation triggered Special:AbuseFilter/1325, an edit in July 2025 had
utm_source=chatgpt, and later articles are obviously AI. I've left them a message Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:49, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
Made a tracker from 2024-12-01, +/-35 only. It's a lot. Are we ready to start cleanup? M kuhner (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yep, LLMPRODing now Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:01, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
PanoptikEU
[edit]- PanoptikEU (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The user has good intentions and probably created all their articles before WP:LLM was prohibited but still we need to do a lot of cleanup. Most of their articles were created rapidly without any human review. Maybe convert notable Estonian articles into one-line stubs. ~2026-41256-48 (talk) 12:13, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- 129 creations in 233 edits Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:38, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- Their latest creations are obviously LLM-generated. Looking at their early articles, they seem decent quality compared to what we normally see and there aren't really enough meat on them for AISIGNS, but: at Sirje Olesk ref #1 doesn't support
She is a recognized authority on the Finnish-Estonian writer Aino Kallas and the poet Lydia Koidula.
, Konrad Duden Prize has WP:AIREDCAT, and in Sven-Erik Soosaar ref #3 appears hallucinated Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)- Tbh I'm not 100% sure these are all AI, would appreciate a second opinion Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:30, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
- I disagree, don't think these three are AI - Sirje Olesk source kinda supports it thru "She has mainly dealt with various aspects of Estonian poetry, Estonian-Finnish literary relations, the life and work of Aino Kallas and Lydia Koidula, studied the history of the Estonian Writers’ Union and literary life in Soviet Estonia". Soosaar's ref #3 did in fact exist but the page went down - see https://web.archive.org/web/20190915191335/https://www.ut.ee/et/uritused/sven-erik-soosaar-eesti-keele-kultuursonavara-arengujooni-eesti-keel-piirikeel, an archived copy from 2019 (display is broken, but if you scroll down a bit you find the article).
- And as for the red category, i know (especially before I got HotCat) I've occasionally put in categories assuming they were functional categories and then checked, noticed they weren't, and deleted - i find it harder to believe this is AI than that this is a user forgetting to check whether a reasonable category they inputted actually exists. Jishara (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- I've put a few into Pangram and they're consistently coming back as AI-assisted, I think this meets the threshold for LLMPROD but does anyone object? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:14, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
- No objections from me, I support using LLMPRV for cleanup. ‑‑gurkubondinn 23:10, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
- I looked at Avo Keerend and support LLMPRV. WP:AIATTR and typical shifting of facts among sources. M kuhner (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2026 (UTC)
- Right. I’m in favour. LLMPRV it is. WorldClassChampion (talk) 17:03, 20 August 2026 (UTC)
- I've put a few into Pangram and they're consistently coming back as AI-assisted, I think this meets the threshold for LLMPROD but does anyone object? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:14, 11 August 2026 (UTC)
- Tbh I'm not 100% sure these are all AI, would appreciate a second opinion Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:30, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry guys, this one's too strange, don't feel comfortable doing LLMPRODs at this point. Some articles were created within 2 minutes of each other, which seems quick even for chatbots, yet they're not the obvious slop we'd expect and Pangram gives them as AI-assisted. The editor's first edits include changing a deprecated infobox parameter , and their edit summaries appear AI-generated (
Create article on Karl Pajusalu and add sourced biography, academic career, research, works and honors.
,Reflecting marriage name change and birth of children.
), but there aren't many AI signs, and the articles I checked for WP:V (the first two IIRC) checked out. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:17, 21 August 2026 (UTC)- it would be great to hear something from you, @PanoptikEU. could you tell us if you used AI for these articles? ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:49, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for the ping, and sorry for the delayed response.
- I used AI assistance to translate material from Estonian Wikipedia into English. I personally reviewed the articles and checked their sources before publication. My aim was to make information about Estonian scholars, artists and cultural figures more accessible to English-language readers.
- I would like to correct the statement that these articles were published without human review. That does not describe my process. I cannot reconstruct every individual drafting step now, so I am not claiming that every passage was solely a translation, but I do remember reviewing the work and checking the sources. If a factual or citation error survived that review, I take responsibility for correcting it.
- I would ask that the translated material be assessed under WP:LLM-assisted translation, with any other additions considered separately. Thank you to Jishara for finding the archived Soosaar reference, and to Kowal2701 for checking some of the articles and reporting that those source checks passed. I appreciate those checks as well as the concerns other editors have raised.
- M kuhner, could you identify the particular passages and source mismatches you found in Avo Keerend? I would like to respond to those examples directly and correct any problems, including missing translation attribution where applicable.
- I would prefer to preserve properly sourced, compliant material and make targeted corrections where needed, rather than reduce all the articles to one-line stubs. PanoptikEU (talk) 13:19, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks @PanoptikEU for the response. Really I should've thought to check whether these were translations, apologies. Translations from another Wikipedia need to be attributed (see WP:TFOLWP), can you please do that for your creations now? Another issue I'm seeing is how Avo Keerend has content that wasn't in the Estonian article, as does Jaan Elken (Estonian article) and likely others. Can you please make sure that wherever this is the case, the content adheres to WP:V and WP:WTW/WP:NPOV? Otherwise it'd have to be removed as it doesn't fall under the exception in WP:NOLLM for translation Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:27, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- I did not take notes, unfortunately. Here are a few issues.
- The lead is sourced to (1) and (2). Here is the key sentence:
He was known in post-war Estonian graphic art especially for his linocuts, book illustration, ex libris work, and later geometric-abstractionist prints.
- (2) is a list of exhibitions. It mentions three joint exhibitions that had bookplates ("ex libris work") and book illustrations, but I don't think we can go from that to "was known especially for".
- (1) does not mention book illustrations, bookplates, or abstractionism. I also can't get the timeline implied above out of this source.
- The paragraph starting "During World War II" has a lot of very close paraphrase of (1). However,
In 1943 he studied at a drawing studio for war correspondents in Berlin.
is sourced to (1) and (3) but (1) has nothing about this at all and should not be cited here. - "Art-historical scholarship places" and "has been connected by museum curators" are WP:AIATTR.
- The paragraph starting "The Art Museum of Estonia" is a too close paraphrase of (1). I stopped here as I think the pattern is clear.
- I would describe these as typical issues for recent LLMs: the claims are often more or less true, but not supported by the given source, and there is a lot of too-close paraphrase. M kuhner (talk) 05:22, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think converting into one-line stubs is much better. ~2026-46891-52 (talk) 15:08, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
- it would be great to hear something from you, @PanoptikEU. could you tell us if you used AI for these articles? ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:49, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
User:Re000searchist
[edit]Re000searchist: reporting for undisclosed LLM usage. It's especially concerning that they've appeared to use LLM-generated content to WP:GAME the edit count requirements for extended confirmation, allowing them to dump this LLM content into the Arab-Israeli conflict CTOP, among others.
Their edits do not have a single smoking-gun giveaway like an unremoved LLM instruction or a ChatGPT utm source. (Update: I missed it, they actually do; see below discussion). What they do have, on the other hand, is an edit history over 1000+ edits that is almost exclusively of the format produced by Claude.
Major tell, citation clustering and synthesized paragraphs with machine-written edit summaries. LLMs love to write a 2-5 sentences paragraph, in a style of "X source said Y" (because it thinks it needs attribution when a human would just be direct) describing reports about something that happened, rather than the thing itself; then cite the entire paragraph at once with an ambiguous reference at the end, and an overly descriptive edit summary. Selected examples:
- This edit to Tariffs in the second Trump administration added a five-sentence paragraph concerning a lawsuit by two small businesses. The paragraph combines the identities of the plaintiffs, the court, several legal arguments, and the litigation history of the plaintiffs' lawyers. Two fully formed citations, to The Guardian and The New York Times, are placed together only at the end of the paragraph rather than against the particular statements each supports. The edit summary was:
Added information about the lawsuit filed by two U.S. small businesses against the July 2026 tariffs, citing The New York Times and The Guardian sources.
- Again done here: This edit to the same article.
- This May edit to Military applications of artificial intelligence included the following indirect attribution:
. This is how LLMs write an attributed statement, not how humans do. Again,Some reports stated that AI-assisted systems were used to assist in identifying and tracking senior Iranian officials during Israeli military operations in the 2026 Iran conflict.
-- a human would indicate which researchers or human rights organizations, and quote the description directly. LLMs try to broadly genericize from a specific example in exactly this manner. The edit summary was:Researchers and human rights organizations described Israeli AI-assisted targeting systems as relying on large-scale analysis of surveillance footage, drones, mobile devices, and communications metadata...
Added sourced information on reported AI-assisted targeting systems and related human rights concerns regarding potential misidentification risks.
- This 19 June 2026 edit summary was:
Again, humans wouldn't be writing about "2026 reporting" in 2026. That's an indication that the LLM was told to search for reporting from a certain date. A human would have named the sources (notwithstanding this, the sources included unreliable sources like "Cryptobriefing" that would never have passed human review.)Added 2026 reporting on the use of Anthropic’s Claude in the Iran–US conflict, including its role in military intelligence and targeting support.
More examples of indirect attribution rather than directly stating:
Some reports stated that...
: diffResearchers and human rights organizations described...
: diffcritics questioned the justification...
, without identifying the critics in the prose diffbased on Western media reports
in an edit summary diff -- implying that this is *not* a Westerner writing this. A human, and a Westerner in particular, would not need to specify "Western media".According to official statements...
and similar generalized framing in additions to Special Headquarters for the Development of Nanotechnology.
This one was so egregious, I reverted it and warned them about LLM usage. The response was as predictable as you'd expect: an LLM-generated reply that denies that they were an LLM, in overly official language that no human would actually use. Thank you for your message. The content was based on reliable published sources, and my intention was to summarise those sources in a neutral way. If the wording resembled AI-generated text or did not meet Wikipedia's standards, I appreciate the feedback and will revise my editing approach accordingly.
It appears obvious to me that this is a non-English speaker using LLM to bulk translate articles.
- Verse of the Mustad'afin was created as a 330-byte translated article in revision 1364948893. After several small edits, revision 1364951195 added 6,750 bytes in one edit. The resulting material had a complete section structure, uniformly composed prose, indirect formulations such as
According to some reports
, and multiple paragraphs in which references were grouped at paragraph endings.
- Special Headquarters for the Development of Nanotechnology was created by translation in revision 1336005599. Revision 1336549587 added 3,561 bytes to Key Events in the Development of Nanotechnology in Iran in one edit. Revision 1336552285 added another 1,702 bytes to Key Figures in the Development of Nanotechnology in Iran. The additions use the same tells as above: a uniform section-by-section structure, generalized attribution, and paragraph-ending citation clusters. But additionally, they also show that the user is somehow technically proficient and familiar with Arabic to be able to paste complex foreign language citations in -- but somehow not familiar enough to realize that WP:TASNIM is a deprecated source, or that most of the sources would never pass a reliable source review.
Seeking a consensus here that the user is, despite their denial, in fact using LLMs. I'm concerned this may be a hefty amount of cleanup. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 15:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
Their edits do not have a single smoking-gun giveaway like an unremoved LLM instruction or a ChatGPT utm source
– courtesy of Special:AbuseFilter/1346.Trump’s social media use has been credited with transforming how political figures communicate, emphasizing direct access to millions of followers and bypassing traditional editorial filters. His outspoken style and rapid posting rhythms on Truth Social have drawn attention ...
, yeah that's an LLM user. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 16:58, 28 July 2026 (UTC)- Lol well there you go, thanks! I probably should have qualified what I wrote above as being "that I found in my sampling".⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 21:06, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- I must have looked into this user at some point, because one of the links to the filter logs was purple for me. Don't remember why I was looking into the user though. ‑‑gurkubondinn 17:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- This is an LLM user, and has been making substantial use of LLM for at least the last six months, in my view. ChrysGalley (talk) 08:33, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
- See for their edits which have triggered relevant edit filters Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:35, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- They're articles created in August appear human-written, I'll draftify ones before then Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:51, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- They're all translations from Farsi Wikipedia (Special Headquarters for the Development of Nanotechnology, Fatima in the Quran and Hadiths, Verse of the Mustad'afin) so we need to scrutinise them against WP:LLMTRANSLATE Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:57, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- This user is also active on fawiki, so I agree with @Swatjester that this is probably
a non-English speaker using LLM to bulk translate articles
and I think that these are therefore most likely are unattributed machine-translations of the Persian articles. - They're still going strong, and recently added c. 16 kB to 2026 Sirik wedding airstrike in Diff/1372829080 just a few minutes after their previous edit (to a different, but related, article). There are more large and rapid edits in History/Bibliography of Ali ibn Abi Talib and History/Ja'far Murtaza Al-Ameli, both are recent and from after this thread started. Since we haven't heard from Re000searchist yet, I've gone ahead and notified them of this thread and asked them to join this discussion. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:29, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- Regarding the 16 kb edit linked above:
“When we got there, there was an explosion. It was very strong. Bricks, stones and cement hit my face and head, and many others were injured.”
is misquoted to which actually says "When we arrived there, an explosion occurred. It was very intense. Bricks, stones, and cement hit me in the face and head, and many others were injured""Tonight, a residential house in Kohstak, Sirik, was brutally attacked while families were celebrating a wedding."
is misquoted to which says "a residential home in Kuhestak, Sirik, was brutally attacked tonight while families were celebrating a wedding."
- They carried on editing past the above notice and nominated the article for DYK (I've tagged it). @Admins willing to patrol AINB: I think a mainspace block is needed, at the very least to force communication Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:30, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Were they notified of this discussion? I'm not seeing anything on their talk page. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 17:14, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- oh lol, Gurku must've forgot. They were warned in July and responded with what appears to an AI-generated comment, and had an article G15'd in April. Can wait for more edits if necessary though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:26, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- oops, yep. never edited their talk page at all. thanks. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:15, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Notified. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:00, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, I just realized today that this discussion is about me and I'm worried and I want to participate in the discussion. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes I have trouble translating some words or sentences. That's why I use AI tools, but I search all the sources myself, check them myself, and prepare the content myself. My priority has always been to not enter incorrect information. Re000searchist (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for joining in @Re000searchist. The issue here is that LLM can't be used in the way you have described. The only translation that is permitted via LLM is when it's from Wiki to another and you are fully competent in both languages. Generally LLM is banned. I don't know where this idea about formal or even correct language comes from, you merely need to be understood since copyediting specialists can sort out minor glitches. So if choosing LLM to avoid not-so-good English then that's the wrong choice. Just avoiding incorrect information is not enough.
- How would you like to proceed? Do you think you can rewrite the articles just on your own? There are a lot of changes you made, though some were quite small. Did you use LLM for all of them?
- Again thank you for getting in touch, it is appreciated. ChrysGalley (talk) 11:28, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain. No, I didn't use LA for all my editing.but , I really used LA in 3 articles, once when I created an article and twice when editing two articles. All 3 were deleted and I realized that LA had a lot of mistakes, both in the text and in the sources. So I didn't use LA to create another article, I only used it for translation. Since I had experience and knew that LA makes mistakes in sources, I never use it, I search for sources myself. And because I knew that if LA wants to create a text, it will add analysis itself, so I don't use LA to create content, and the content is my own work according to the sources. I have the ability to translate into English myself and I can do it myself from now on. I used LA only because the translation is very clean and tidy. And of course, I also have to say that I didn't know that using LA in translation is not allowed. So I can say that from now on I won't use it for translation either. Re000searchist (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's good to hear @Re000searchist. It may be a little difficult to begin with, but once you start doing articles purely under your own steam then it will get easier and certainly more rewarding. It also does something that LLM is bad at - summarising to the key points rather than elaborate flights of literary fancy, sometimes less is more. ChrysGalley (talk) 13:10, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain. No, I didn't use LA for all my editing.but , I really used LA in 3 articles, once when I created an article and twice when editing two articles. All 3 were deleted and I realized that LA had a lot of mistakes, both in the text and in the sources. So I didn't use LA to create another article, I only used it for translation. Since I had experience and knew that LA makes mistakes in sources, I never use it, I search for sources myself. And because I knew that if LA wants to create a text, it will add analysis itself, so I don't use LA to create content, and the content is my own work according to the sources. I have the ability to translate into English myself and I can do it myself from now on. I used LA only because the translation is very clean and tidy. And of course, I also have to say that I didn't know that using LA in translation is not allowed. So I can say that from now on I won't use it for translation either. Re000searchist (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- As for the fact that my editing volume was high in the two articles, the reason is that I searched for sources and prepared the content and put it in Word. In fact, I prepared the content and sources in Word and then placed it on the Wiki page. I spent a lot of time preparing the content, but I had already prepared everything in Word and then only placed it on the Wiki page. All this time, I thought that since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, I should write very formally. Re000searchist (talk) 11:11, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, I just realized today that this discussion is about me and I'm worried and I want to participate in the discussion. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes I have trouble translating some words or sentences. That's why I use AI tools, but I search all the sources myself, check them myself, and prepare the content myself. My priority has always been to not enter incorrect information. Re000searchist (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Notified. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:00, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- oops, yep. never edited their talk page at all. thanks. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:15, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- oh lol, Gurku must've forgot. They were warned in July and responded with what appears to an AI-generated comment, and had an article G15'd in April. Can wait for more edits if necessary though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:26, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Were they notified of this discussion? I'm not seeing anything on their talk page. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 17:14, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Regarding the 16 kb edit linked above:
User:474D6F756C617264
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns. Needs to be steered away from pasting LLM output and towards constructive contributions.
Has created LLM-generated articles, some of which may be unattributed machine translations. Some of the smoking guns are AbuseLog/44862535 and AbuseLog/44862596.
Seems to be someone that wants to contribute constructively, they just need to do it themselves instead of pasting LLM output into the project. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:07, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- Okay, I have taken note of the issue; I have created the necessary pages in my drafts and will rework their format. I will go through the "submission for review" process before publishing anything new.
- My apologies for the wasted effort. 474D6F756C617264 (talk) 14:02, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- I have no idea what the best solution to this problem is, but this revert by @Zackmann08: at Tetraclass Model (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) changes the subject of the article from Tetraclass Model to a duplicate of Melk concentration camp (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (also created by 474D6F756C617264). The obvious solution would be to make Tetraclass Model about Tetraclass Model again, but I'm wary of restoring anything questionable. So draftify? FDW777 (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- The problem with draftification is that the article is over 90 days old at this point. But this might be different if it's done in cooperation with the user that created it?
- I have two questions though. Why did the page history contain an article on a different subject, and was any of those article AI-generated? I'm encouraging a good faith answer and reply from @474D6F756C617264 here. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:27, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- Hello,
- I apologize for complicating your work. Some time ago, I published an article about the Melk concentration camp based on my draft.
- Later, using that same draft, I created the article on the tétraclasse model. @Zackmann08 restored information regarding the Melk camp, where my grandfather was deported. I am not quite sure of the proper procedure, and I certainly do not want to commit any act of vandalism. I received a comment on my talk page about this from @Quadrupletime. What should be done? Should the "tétraclasse" page be deleted? I could recreate it in the future to include the information on the "tétraclasse" model. As it stands, the situation cannot continue; the page title bears no relation to its content. Please accept my apologies for the inconvenience caused by this review, and thank you in advance for your understanding.
- 474D6F756C617264 (talk) 14:55, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Gurkubondinn it's been in mainspace for less than two days, you have misread the history. FDW777 (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- @FDW777, fair point and an entirely correct diagnosis. I've indeed misread the page history. Draftification seems both appropriate and correct then! It can always be moved back after it has rewritten
withwithout using AI and this has been fixed. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:13, 13 August 2026 (UTC)- @User:Gurkubondinn I would suggest you edit the above comment. There's an unintended second meaning which implies that you want 47D6 to fix their article with AI, and then move it back to mainspace. Somepinkdude (talk | contribs), in solidarity 22:11, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- Yikes, thats an unfortunate typo! Thanks for pointing that out, Somepinkdude, I have fixed and clarified it. ‑‑gurkubondinn 22:18, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- For my part, I mentally corrected it while reading. I have to say, it made him smile. 474D6F756C617264 (talk) 00:41, 14 August 2026 (UTC)
- Yikes, thats an unfortunate typo! Thanks for pointing that out, Somepinkdude, I have fixed and clarified it. ‑‑gurkubondinn 22:18, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- @User:Gurkubondinn I would suggest you edit the above comment. There's an unintended second meaning which implies that you want 47D6 to fix their article with AI, and then move it back to mainspace. Somepinkdude (talk | contribs), in solidarity 22:11, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- @FDW777, fair point and an entirely correct diagnosis. I've indeed misread the page history. Draftification seems both appropriate and correct then! It can always be moved back after it has rewritten
- @Gurkubondinn it's been in mainspace for less than two days, you have misread the history. FDW777 (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- The 90 day limit doesn't apply in all cases. Countless articles are created every day, more than new page reviewers can keep up with. If anything meeting speedy-deletion criteria (unambiguous promotion, attack pages, hoaxes, patent nonsense, AI hallucinations, AI communication to the user, AI markdown indicators, etc.) manages to survive more than 90 days, it's fair game to delete when discovered, regardless of age. Draftification is a milder alternative, and something I do instead of speedy-delete if it looks like the topic could be notable but not currently up to mainspace standards. That's why so much AI slop gets draftified rather than outright deleted. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2026 (UTC)
- I have no idea what the best solution to this problem is, but this revert by @Zackmann08: at Tetraclass Model (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) changes the subject of the article from Tetraclass Model to a duplicate of Melk concentration camp (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (also created by 474D6F756C617264). The obvious solution would be to make Tetraclass Model about Tetraclass Model again, but I'm wary of restoring anything questionable. So draftify? FDW777 (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
- noting User talk:474D6F756C617264#Your submission at Articles for creation: Tetraclass Model (August 23) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:44, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- The draft still looks like LLM. The editor did a rewrite of one section and resubmitted, but the LLM text remains. I will give a warning. M kuhner (talk) 23:53, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
Matthewmurdock
[edit]Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM.
Matthewmurdock (talk · contribs), XTools
They were blocked for sockpuppetry but later unblocked after 6 months , and have received loads of warnings (amazingly none explicitly for LLM use, but lots related to it). Their first creation was (March 2025, three others created that month) (look at the "Cultural Significance" section), and the only other one was (Jan 2026) which was tagged for AI in May . Consensus needed for LLMPRODs because they're recently editing. I'll give them a final warning since they're on minimal WP:ROPE. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:40, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
- Support immediate cleanup. M kuhner (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
Made tracker from March 1 2025, +/-35 only. M kuhner (talk) 16:44, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
User:DJ71park
[edit]DJ71park (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I believe DJ71park has been using AI quite a bit. Beyond the accusations on their talk page, including discussions of AI art usage, their writing style feels quite consistent with LLMs, and the way they source a lot of their long stretches of writing exclusively with articles from newspaper.com in some places feels particularly odd with how the information within the newspaper articles has been expanded upon for the information in the articles. I noticed these oddities while going through the page for L.W. de Laurence, where I believe it is somewhat clear that AI was used. I am making this submission because I am somewhat new to Wikipedia editing, so I am not fully confident in my ability to label this as AI myself, and I am not entirely sure from the Wikipedia resources I have read how exactly to make the necessary changes if others concur that problematic AI use is in play here.
TThorn1 (talk) 22:37, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the report! (May 2025) had
utm_source=chatgptOperation Fitzwilliam (Feb 2025) has loads of WP:AISIGNS. I have no idea what was going on with their latest creation Henry Clay Hodges (industrialist) (June 2026). Have given them a final warning (cleanup will still be needed) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:57, 17 August 2026 (UTC)- Thank you for checking! I'm probably going to try to clean up the L. W. de Laurence page. I couldn't find a guide to cleaning up AI text, so if you have one please let me know. I don't know if common practice is to simply rewrite things, destroy everything and start anew, or what else, so I'd appreciate some pointers if that's not inconvenient. I do think I'll for sure have to do some significant reformatting as the problematic sections read to me more like video essays paraphrasing and exaggerating a Wikipedia page rather than a Wikipedia page. TThorn1 (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- There's WP:AICGUIDE, but yeah, basically remove/rewrite or try to keep the basic facts, attempting to preserve LLM-generated is usually very time-consuming. This link is all their significant edits to that page, let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything (and also if there's anything in the guide that's unclear), thanks Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:46, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- I recommend picking out the three or four best sources, reading them carefully (you cannot trust a word of what LLMs have said about them), and cutting the article down to basics. You want the three solid sources so that it doesn't end up being deleted, but the bulk of the LLM text is best removed. I have fixed these, and I'm currently walking someone through fixing their own, and it's kind of awful--the issues are subtle and pervasive and honestly it's easier to write new text.
- If you look at the Syzygy Rebel case on this noticeboard, you'll see what happens when someone is sure they can just tweak things and solve the problem. For some of their articles we've gone three rounds of me calling out source/text mismatches and them rewriting again. I am positive it would have been easier to reduce to a stub and rebuild, but I couldn't convince them of that. M kuhner (talk) 00:08, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- That makes a lot of sense to me. I reckon I'll start by wiping most of everything from the LLM and research to confirm the essentials (times of birth/death, that kind of stuff) and then redo (or reinstate old) notable information on his plagarism and overall career path, and finish by writing a section or two about a few major incidents I think are still necessary to retain in the article due to their significance to his legacy.
- Upon reviewing the article again, I realized without the AI fluff, most of the huge article can be brought down to a few paragraphs probably. There's a lot of detail and superfluous descriptions that work fine enough for a story, but are pretty unrelated to the subject of the article itself, and would make much more sense in an article about the cults he founded or about the police raids on them rather than on his page itself.
- I may also go back eventually to use those old newspaper sources and create a new main article on those events, or just write an article somewhere else, because there is some really interesting information taken from the newspapers that is nigh impossible to find any information or a primary source for on the internet without specifically going through old newspaper records. Failing to find any source discussing the Order of the White Willow initially is what drew my attention to the fact that the text may be dubious in the first place (the information is technically correct in the LLM article, it's just not placed next to the proper source currently since DJ71park's later edits shifted the sources over to the incorrect place).
- Your advice is going to be immensely helpful, thank you! TThorn1 (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- It's we who should thank you! We deal with dozens to hundreds of articles a day, and seldom have the resources to do anything more elegant than ripping out the bad text or deleting wholesale. It's really nice to have someone who can give an individual article the care it deserves. M kuhner (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for checking! I'm probably going to try to clean up the L. W. de Laurence page. I couldn't find a guide to cleaning up AI text, so if you have one please let me know. I don't know if common practice is to simply rewrite things, destroy everything and start anew, or what else, so I'd appreciate some pointers if that's not inconvenient. I do think I'll for sure have to do some significant reformatting as the problematic sections read to me more like video essays paraphrasing and exaggerating a Wikipedia page rather than a Wikipedia page. TThorn1 (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
- Citing Wikipedia and
played a pivotal role
in AbuseLog/40059058, early 2025. Probably ChatGPT, andutm_source=chatgpt.comshows up in some edits. ‑‑gurkubondinn 01:13, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
Bumping thread. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:09, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- They started editing Jan 2025 and your first log above Feb 2025. I'm just making a tracker for the whole period. They have not edited in mainspace since early August but are building something in user space; at first glance it didn't look bad. M kuhner (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- June creations need some analysis to justify LLMPRODs, they're too unorthodox for me to do rn Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:39, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Coldupnorth
[edit]Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM. User's autopatrolled permission has been removed.
Note that this is a custom tracker with article creations only, due to size of case. M kuhner (talk) 13:36, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
This user is autopatrolled, and has just created The Matchbox Girl which seems to be AI-generated. There is a Markdown codeblock in Diff/1370004768. I've notified them of this thread. ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:35, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/44207497 (May 2026) had
utm_source=chatgpt. This and this triggered Special:AbuseFilter/1325 in Feb 2025, idk why. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:30, 18 August 2026 (UTC)- It was the title of the source (
Must-see places in Kerala
) that triggered the edit filter. ‑‑gurkubondinn 19:42, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- It was the title of the source (
- The Bollo de hornazzo article was created today in Diff/1369966044 with a red category, which was then removed in Diff/1369966205 two minutes later. ‑‑gurkubondinn 21:53, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- There are UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use in Diff/1354119323 (mentioned by Kowal, Inocea Group), and Coldupnorth removed
{{ai-generated}}from an article they've contributed to in Diff/1364494807 without explanation. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:24, 20 August 2026 (UTC)- Found what I believe are source integrity issues.
..., the Russian government ... initially maintained that it was unable to communicate with the vessels ...
— Diff/1369972312 to HMS Forte (1893)
- This is sourced to pages 98–102 of an article in the Naval War College Review from 1994, which as far as I can tell does not support the statement. The source does say that an admiral in the Russian Navy
publicly stated that it would take at least a month for new orders to reach the cruisers
(p. 100) but as far as I can tell it does not say anything about the Russian government saying that it was "unable to communicate with the vessel". - The International law as interpreted during the Russo-Japanese war source does say that
it became apparent that the Russian Government, ..., was quite incapable of communicating to the commanders of those vessels
, which is not the same thing, and the statement is not sourced to it anyway.
Dundas personally delivered to Captain Skalsky of Petersburg the Russian government's cipher telegram recalling the cruisers, together with a formal British protest requiring them to cease interference with neutral shipping.
— Diff/1369972312 to HMS Forte (1893)
- This is sourced to page 46 of International law as interpreted during the Russo-Japanese war from 1905 (incorrectly referenced as published in 1954), but as far as I can tell that page does not actually say what the telegram from the Russian government said. I didn't read the whole book, just the cited page, so it may very well be correct and explained elsewhere.
- Interestingly enough, the Naval War Colelge Review source does reproduce the telegram (in English, p. 101), which does say to
CEASE CRUISER OPERATIONS
, but it was not sourced to this source.
- I'm not sure if this is some form of SYNTH+CLOP or something, but I'm reverting the edit for WP:V problems and possible WP:NOLLM issues. ‑‑gurkubondinn 22:44, 20 August 2026 (UTC)
- I am constantly seeing statements in source A claimed as being in source B: I'd say it's one of the two biggest hallmarks of recent LLM (along with inflating the number of instances of something). I think that it results from anti-hallucination "safeguards" which end up with a workflow like "Find sources. Shred them. Build response from shreds." So the proportion of claims that are true has gone up, but the sourcing is frequently wrong. M kuhner (talk) 00:18, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- I've asked @Coldupnorth to join this discussion and address these concerns, but I think that autopatrolled should probably be revoked at this point. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:18, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
- And Henry Bertram Pelly cites a user-generated source (somewhat extensively). The Dreadnought Project is a "naval history wiki" and is "intended to augment rather than compete with the vast information available on Wikipedia". The article was also created with a (recently) deprecated infobox parameter and a dab link in the infobox image caption.
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: in light of everything above, I think that the autopatrolled userright ought to be revoked. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:15, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Just as a courtesy, pinging @HJ Mitchell as the granting admin. Not alleging or implying any responsibility, this is purely informational. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:49, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
Removed Coldupnorth's autopatrolled permission for LLM misuse. — Newslinger talk 12:00, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Editor has decided to retire, based on the most recent contribution. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Since that also means that they are around, I have asked them to tell us when they started using AI on Wikipedia. The lack of communicate is not reassuring though, so LLMPRV deletions will probably have to go pretty far back. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:04, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Editor has decided to retire, based on the most recent contribution. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- The Wolf Siren article has some sourcing issues too.
It was selected as one of the 2026 Summer Reading Challenge titles of the The Reading Agency.
— Wolf Siren § Reception- This is sourced to the main page of the Summer Reading Challenge website, which does not mention the book. The page for the 2026 challenge does not list the book either, and neither is in in the list of books for the 2026 challenge on The Reading Agency's website. None of the other sources referenced in the article mention this either.
- I've marked it as
{{failed verification}}in Diff/1371070610 for now and tagged the page. Not sure what to do about this page, I guess LLMPROD will be required. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:09, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- I am constantly seeing statements in source A claimed as being in source B: I'd say it's one of the two biggest hallmarks of recent LLM (along with inflating the number of instances of something). I think that it results from anti-hallucination "safeguards" which end up with a workflow like "Find sources. Shred them. Build response from shreds." So the proportion of claims that are true has gone up, but the sourcing is frequently wrong. M kuhner (talk) 00:18, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- Found what I believe are source integrity issues.
- There are UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use in Diff/1354119323 (mentioned by Kowal, Inocea Group), and Coldupnorth removed
- Unfortunately Coldupnorth is not forthcoming about when they starting using AI, so I think we will need to LLMPRV everything. The tracking page script throws out 12k+ edits to 3500+ articles. There might be a better script that I'm not aware of. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:19, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- I've tagged a small handful of the most recently created articles for LLMPROD. According to XTools, there are 90 articles that were created after November 2022. Lots of edits to other articles too though. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:38, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- With aggressive filtering (+/- 100, removing redirects etc.) it's 2500 pages. I don't think that's going to be feasible. Let's focus on LLMPRODs for now. M kuhner (talk) 12:47, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed. Is there a way for the userscript to filter only created articles? There's much more of course, for example the sourcing issues that I pointed out in HMS Forte (1893) above were to an already existing article.
- The small handful that I've tagged for LLMPROD are listed on User:gurkubondinn/Logs/LLMPROD log § August 2026. Didn't make a tracking page because it was just too much. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:16, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- Well, for created articles we don't need the detail on individual edits, just a tracker listing the pages. I could pull the XTools and write a little Python to do that. We could also pester poor DVRTed again. M kuhner (talk) 13:21, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- There you go! Creation-only tracker is attached. M kuhner (talk) 13:42, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- Marking the ones that I had already tagged for LLMPROD. It just occurred to that 'pending LLMPROD' should maybe just have it's own status value. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:53, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- No, but edits like the one to HMS Forte (1893) are worrying, because that was a pretty bad sourcing issue in an article that they did not create themselves. Unfortunately this user does not seem interested in helping us, but we could just revert everything that's still the most recent edit (I think this is what the nuke feature that admins have does, so maybe we can pester some admin into doing that), which should at least take care of some of it. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:50, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- There you go! Creation-only tracker is attached. M kuhner (talk) 13:42, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- Well, for created articles we don't need the detail on individual edits, just a tracker listing the pages. I could pull the XTools and write a little Python to do that. We could also pester poor DVRTed again. M kuhner (talk) 13:21, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- With aggressive filtering (+/- 100, removing redirects etc.) it's 2500 pages. I don't think that's going to be feasible. Let's focus on LLMPRODs for now. M kuhner (talk) 12:47, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- did we get a start date for this? I can see ones back to August 2024 were LLMPRODed, but not seeing evidence going back that far? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:55, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Doubt I'll go further back than this. Never heard back from the user so it's hard to know when it started. Lots of them had source integrity issues that required old books to verify, very time consuming. ‑‑gurkubondinn 21:04, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've tagged a small handful of the most recently created articles for LLMPROD. According to XTools, there are 90 articles that were created after November 2022. Lots of edits to other articles too though. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:38, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
User:BiscuitsBeforeBias
[edit]BiscuitsBeforeBias (talk · contribs) created Draft:HMS Pentstemon (K61) (originally in mainspace) with the red flag of The subsequent history of Rosa Vlassi is not sufficiently well documented in the sources used for this article to establish her ultimate fate with certainty
at the end. FDW777 (talk) 04:57, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
- Editor claims here that
It was run through a AI polishing route no more
, which is somewhat at odds with the sentence I mentioned, as well as the broken reference formatting in the article's initial version. FDW777 (talk) 22:31, 19 August 2026 (UTC) - edits in July and August 2025 (when their articles were created) had markdown Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:33, 23 August 2026 (UTC)
- Editor claims at User talk:BiscuitsBeforeBias#August 2026 and here, that their AI use was for polishing and denies broader use, which isn't particularly credible given the sentence I mentioned, red-linked category, broken references (which they didn't have at a previous creation) and a couple of additional things. Declined to give a fuller explanation when asked, claiming the sentence I mentioned
was added by mistake
. FDW777 (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- Editor claims at User talk:BiscuitsBeforeBias#August 2026 and here, that their AI use was for polishing and denies broader use, which isn't particularly credible given the sentence I mentioned, red-linked category, broken references (which they didn't have at a previous creation) and a couple of additional things. Declined to give a fuller explanation when asked, claiming the sentence I mentioned
Bumping thread. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
It looks to me like the issue goes all the way back. Certainly by July 2025 one can see AISIGNS in text and edit summaries very different from article text. I am making a tracker for the whole thing. M kuhner (talk) 05:06, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- will wait a week for LLMPRODs Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:23, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- week waited Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:04, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Mellangoose
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
They created Thomas Hawkins of Trewithen with a markdown codeblock in Diff/1370165057 today, which has since been G15 deleted (could ask an admin to undelete it if needed). I asked them about their AI use in § August 2026 on their talk page, but they haven't edited since. In the meantime, Ike Lek has raised concerns about the Hawkins Family of Trewithen article which was also created today, so I'm creating this thread before I loose track of this and notifying Mellangoose of it. ‑‑gurkubondinn 21:23, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
- Mellangoose has replied with Diff/1370310637 in User talk:Mellangoose § August 2026, but not quite committed to stop using LLMs on Wikipedia. I've asked them to reply here on the noticeboard. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:33, 23 August 2026 (UTC)
Bumping thread. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:21, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Created Treludderow and Walter Borlase within about 10 minutes of each other in Diff/1370140022 and Diff/1370141324, one has AIREDCATS and the other has AIBOLD and messed up citation templates. This was before this thread was created, because the user seems to have stopped editing when confronted about their AI use. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:19, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/39931319 (Feb 2025) cited Wikipedia, will do analysis for LLMPRODs in a bit Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:48, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Start date wrt creations appears to be Caving in the Balearic Islands (4 August), it isn't a translation and has AIREDCATs, AIATTR + Pangram partial-positive . There's Voluntary tubal opening (21 July) which appears to be an LLM translation, creations prior appear to be human-written or non-LLM machine translations (errors and hyphens instead of dashes). LLMPRODing from 4 August, start date for normal edits may be earlier (there's a gap between 31 March and 21 July for creations) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:51, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- M.A.LasTroniN910 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
High-volume AI edits/article creations (may be AI translation). Usual slate of AI signs (first time seeing "the sources reviewed" in the wild). Seems to have started August 2026 after an editing break Gnomingstuff (talk) 03:36, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- What a ferocious rate of article creation. :( I share some interests with this editor—it would be a shame to ‘lose’ the articles they’ve created from enwiki if they are AI-generated (putting lose in quotation marks, since we don’t really have them in that case). If it comes to cleanup, I will try to help out here. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 07:37, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- This editor has continued editing without responding here, although M.A.LasTroniN910 did acknowledge the warning on their talk page. @M.A.LasTroniN910 can you please clarify how you used LLMs? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:09, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Just want to note Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1132#User:M.A.LasTroniN910 and copyrighted plot descriptions and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1155#M.A.LasTroniN910 adding copyrighted material to articles past last warning. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 02:39, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Hey, sorry for the late reply! Regarding LLMs, I only used it to help me find sources. Everything else, including reading and evaluating the sources and gathering the relevant information, I did myself through careful research and reading. Since the sources were in other languages, I only used it to help locate them. I would never use AI-generated material directly in an article.
- Also, just to clarify, I’m now an experienced editor when it comes to manga-related articles. I’ve been working on Wikipedia for years. The mistakes that GreenLipstickLesbian pointed out were things I made early on when I was still learning, and I took those criticisms seriously and learned from them. It’s not that I’m still making the same mistakes today.
- You can check my newer articles and their sources yourself and see that I’ve done the research and source verification carefully, with the goal of making sure they meet Wikipedia’s standards for reliable sourcing and GA-quality articles. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 12:23, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- You didn't use LLMs at all to write the text in Chen Dong (writer) (created just over a week ago)? It contains both WP:AIATTR (e.g.
Contemporary profiles have described him as a Beijing native and noted his interest in wuxia fiction from childhood
) and WP:SUPERFICIAL (He was among ten web novelists recognized that year, reflecting the increasing institutional recognition of online literature within China's literary organizations
). Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:45, 24 August 2026 (UTC)- You were right to raise the concern. I went back through the Chen Dong article carefully and reviewed the wording and sourcing more closely. English is not my first language, and I mistakenly thought some of the phrasing was natural and appropriate for Wikipedia when, in retrospect, it was too indirect and at times overly interpretive.
- I accept that mistake, and this has been a useful lesson for me. I have been going back through the article and removing or rewriting phrases that sound generic, formulaic, or more interpretive than the sources support. I’m also being more careful to distinguish between what a source actually says and what can reasonably be inferred from it.
- Thank you for pointing it out. I appreciate the criticism, and I’ll take more care with the wording and sourcing going forward. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 04:49, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- @M.A.LasTroniN910, do you speak Japanese or Mandarin? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:56, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Japanese. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 01:23, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- several of your creations are based entirely on sources in Mandarin, how are you ensuring that WP:V is met? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:02, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- It’s true that the sources are in Mandarin, but I manually checked every single source carefully and verified the information before using it. I spent a considerable amount of time reviewing them to make sure the claims in the articles were properly supported.
- I did use LLMs to help locate potential sources, and I acknowledge that I initially moved too quickly when creating some of the articles. However, I have since reviewed the sourcing much more carefully, and as far as I’m aware, all of my newer articles now comply with WP:V.
- Please feel free to review the sources as well. If you find any unsupported claim or an issue with a source, please let me know and I’ll go back and check it again. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 15:19, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you can't read Mandarin, how did you check the sources verified the information? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:21, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- When I open the source, I use a Google Translate browser extension to translate the page and view the English version. Then I carefully check the translated information against the original source to make sure I’ve understood and verified it accurately. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 08:50, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- @M.A.LasTroniN910 You are essentially using LLM to check LLM then? Moreover to use LLM under one of the narrow WP:NOLLM requirements, then you need to know both the source and end language well enough to be sure that the translation is suitable for Wikipedia. Moreover, strictly speaking this is just for inter-language Wiki translations, not general sourcing. ChrysGalley (talk) 09:10, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I’m not using an LLM to verify another LLM. I’m using a Google Translate browser extension to translate the Mandarin page into English so I can read and understand the source. I then carefully check the information in the source and cross-reference it with other references where possible.
- I’m aware that this does not replace actual proficiency in Mandarin, and I’m not presenting machine translation as authoritative. It is simply a tool I use to understand the source and verify the relevant information. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 09:24, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- @M.A.LasTroniN910 You are essentially using LLM to check LLM then? Moreover to use LLM under one of the narrow WP:NOLLM requirements, then you need to know both the source and end language well enough to be sure that the translation is suitable for Wikipedia. Moreover, strictly speaking this is just for inter-language Wiki translations, not general sourcing. ChrysGalley (talk) 09:10, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- When I open the source, I use a Google Translate browser extension to translate the page and view the English version. Then I carefully check the translated information against the original source to make sure I’ve understood and verified it accurately. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 08:50, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you can't read Mandarin, how did you check the sources verified the information? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:21, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- several of your creations are based entirely on sources in Mandarin, how are you ensuring that WP:V is met? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:02, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Japanese. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 01:23, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @M.A.LasTroniN910, do you speak Japanese or Mandarin? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:56, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- You didn't use LLMs at all to write the text in Chen Dong (writer) (created just over a week ago)? It contains both WP:AIATTR (e.g.
- "Translating" from a language you do not know is a violation of the LLM-assisted translation rules, and Google Translate is now LLM-powered. —ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 10:20, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Then, based on what you’re saying, I understand that I have violated the relevant rules, and that the affected content should undergo cleanup. M.A.LasTroniN910t@lk 10:30, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also noting that M.A.LasTroniN910 removed an AI tag from Chen Dong (writer) after making very minor changes. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:19, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
User:Cytoscape
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Larger and somewhat rapid edits. There is an chatbot codeblock in Diff/1370565031, which is how I found this user.
They were first warned in § July 2025, then asked about their AI use in § AIs, short descriptions on their talk page in September 2025, but replied to neither message (removed the first warning from their talk page so they can be presumed to have read it). My notice and questions in § August 2026 were also promptly ignored, because they went and pasted more AI-generated text into article space in Diff/1370572260 instead of replying.
@Admins willing to patrol AINB: I believe that a block from article space is required to force communication. I will notify Cytoscape of this thread. ‑‑gurkubondinn 23:11, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
- My mistake, read the timestamps wrong. The second edit also came before I wrote on their talk page. Let's see if they communicate. ‑‑gurkubondinn 00:34, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
- so... did they respond? | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 13:24, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- No. They haven't edited since. Asking for consensus for cleanup. M kuhner (talk) 05:25, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support Cleanup There is no constructive way to edit with AI. It is proven incapable of following our guidelines on notability and copyright. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 11:35, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support cleanup. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 11:53, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support cleanup via LLMPRV. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:20, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- No. They haven't edited since. Asking for consensus for cleanup. M kuhner (talk) 05:25, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- so... did they respond? | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 13:24, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
Made tracker from July 1 2025 based on warning: if someone has a better date, let me know. M kuhner (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- their first creation is Special:Permalink/1294266197 (6 June 2025) which has markdown for links, loads of red cats in the ones that follow. Confident that's the exact start date, they took a long break before that and their editing is minimal Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:03, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- (@M kuhner) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:04, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:FerIow
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Small potatoes, but should be dealt with early. FerIow pasted AI-generated text to their sandbox page in Diff/1370670820 with a chatbot block and an AIREDCAT, and then removed the tell-tale signs in Diff/1370671811 shortly afterwards. The sandbox edits are related to the 2026 Fagersta school stabbing page, which they had edited shortly before the sandbox and shortly after it. My notice in User talk:FerIow § August 2026 was quickly removed (and the sandbox page was edited to say yeah sure whatever
in Diff/1370673183), so they can be presumed to be aware of WP:NOLLM at this point, but they reinstated their changes in Diff/1370672978 with an edit summary denying AI use. I speak Swedish, and both the sources that were added do support the claims but one of them is the school's own website which isn't ideal. While this particular edit on it's own is not a great concern, I think that it is probably better to try to encourage a course correct sooner rather than later before they have made more AI-generated edits to the project. I'm notifying them of this thread. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:00, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
Bumping thread. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:03, 13 September 2026 (UTC)- Prodding it a bit more to see if it still moves. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 11:29, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I sent a warning to test if they stopped. They can clearly see their talk page, as said warning was removed by them this morning. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 16:31, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- @OneReaction5890, can you stop sending them warnings please? They're not required to respond if they don't continue editing Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:58, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I sent a warning to test if they stopped. They can clearly see their talk page, as said warning was removed by them this morning. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 16:31, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Alfiechidzik denying blatant LLM usage
[edit]I just declined Draft:Instro Precision by User:Alfiechidzik, which has numerous instances of both WP:AIATTR (Corporate filings show that ownership of Instro Precision is held by Elbit Systems UK Limited, which controls the company through a majority shareholding
) and WP:AITREND (The acquisition formed part of Elbit's wider expansion within the United Kingdom defence sector
, These protests formed part of a wider campaign directed at Elbit Systems UK subsidiaries and facilities across the United Kingdom
). Their talk page response was to say they didn't use LLMs. Alfiechidzik has also expanded and created several other articles in the WP:A-I topic area, which also show AISIGNS, e.g. "Statements from the Belgian government and media reports identified one of the seized shipments as coming from Moog's Wolverhampton factory and bound for Israel's M-346 program". Helpful Raccoon (talk) 00:02, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- I have not formed an opinion at the moment on whether the draft is AI, but I note for the record here that this editor has previously admitted to using AI to revise article text and committed to not doing it anymore. purringmaggot (talk) 04:07, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- The draft was submitted a month before the ANI discussion, but the Elbit Systems edit I highlighted was weeks after the discussion. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:21, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Ahh, I totally missed that the draft was a few months old. Sorry, I got distracted by what looks like a bunch of copyvio images this editor uploaded to Commons. purringmaggot (talk) 04:26, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- (Parts of the Elbit Systems edit appear to be copied+modified from the bottom of Draft:Instro Precision) Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:28, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- You left a couple of comments but then deleted them so not sure if this is the right place to post a reply.
- You're absolutely right to call me out on the on the use of AI for wording back in June, as I admitted to it, and have taken the feedback on board and not used it since. The Instro Precision article draft does date from that period, so I can understand why you flagged it, and on reflection it makes sense to delete it so that it can be rewritten from scratch so that any future draft is untainted by AI concerns.
- What does concern me though is that the cited instances in this case of problematic wording is actually just not AI usage, e.g. "Statement from the Belgian government and media reports ..." I'm struggling to think how I can express that differently other than directly quoting RTL and RTBF (which runs the risk of over attribution) or quoting directly from Walloon documents (which is primary research). I'm not trying to be difficult here - I'm just genuinely at a loss. Similarly with "Press commentary before the trial ..." - should I be directly quoting the specific sources in this instance?
- Anyway, I apologise for my rather hasty reaction - I'm just tired and irritated as I've been working all weekend. Alfiechidzik (talk) 09:36, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, I originally misinterpreted your below comment. Yes, it's more plausible that the Belgian text and later text is not LLM-generated; it seems more like you picked up similar habits just from reading LLM output. Overattribution here is unnecessarily attributing claims to sources when they can typically be omitted, especially vague sources like "media reports" which should at least be made more specific. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 10:03, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- See WP:INTEXT for when in-text attribution should be used. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 10:14, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- OK - that's helpful to know. You're right that it's a habit that i've picked up - use the specific citations as footnotes and then refer to them as "press commentary" rather or "media reports" in order to avoid having to either repeat the specific attribution in the text, or assert it as fact.
- I've read WP:INTEXT although the examples it gives are rather blatant extremes so not that helpful when dealing with nuanced, middle-ground scenarios. I know what I would write if I was writing an academic paper, but that seems to be putting too much of an authorial voice - and potentially non-neutrality - into the article which is also in contravention of Wiki guidelines.
- In any case, I will try to be more thoughtful and more specific when referring to sources inside the text itself going forward. Alfiechidzik (talk) 10:20, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- "Press reports" or "government statements" just add nothing. You might as well say it in Wikivoice, with citation, because the reader can't use what you're saying to determine degree of uncertainty. In-text attribution is only worth doing when it carries additional information, and "press"/"government" are far too vague to do that. (And to anyone with a nose for LLM, it's a major indicator which you really don't want to copy.)
- An example that actually carries information would be "Peruvian press reports said X [1][2][3] while Venuzuelan reports said Y [4][5][6]". This helps provide context for the reader. Be sure there are actually multiple citations in both sets, though, or you're back at WP:AIATTR. (And be careful of WP:SYNTH.) M kuhner (talk) 17:56, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hmm, Alfiechidzik's more recent creation Moog 4 doesn't have the same numerous AISIGNS. There is WP:AIATTR with
Press commentary before the trial raised concerns that...
that isn't copied from anywhere. There's alsoBelgian media reported that the cargo was inspected...
but that seems copied from Draft:Instro Precision. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 05:01, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- The draft was submitted a month before the ANI discussion, but the Elbit Systems edit I highlighted was weeks after the discussion. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:21, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Im struggling to see what the AI signs are with regard to the Belgian text. I literally looked up the RTL and RTBF articles myself having been sent them by a colleague in Belgium, and likewise the Middle East Eye, Declassified and Private Eye reporting - the Private Eye reporting isn't even on the internet and I had to physically go and buy paper copies of the magazine to get the citations for these. I even emailed the Wallonian government press office myself to get their own confirmation of the facts and what they publicly released so that I could confirm this for myself (as there appears to have been some initial confusion about exactly what was seized). Alfiechidzik (talk) 07:59, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
User:Cristõvão Campos
[edit]Editor has been blocked from editing the mainspace (articles only) for AI/LLM violations.
Large rapid AI-generated edits, article creations that might be unattributed translations, lots of markdown. Mostly ignores talk page messages or notices, and just keep going instead. Has occasionally replied to the CS1 notices posted by the bot, asked for help (in somewhat broken English) once, and apologised for contributing in the wrong language once. I've draftified one of their more recent creations a reverted large changes on one article, but they just ignored me and carried on like nothing happened.
My guess is that this is someone without a sufficient command of English to understand what people are trying to tell them. ‑‑gurkubondinn 00:41, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
- These are 100% unattributed translations. JTtheOG (talk) 19:36, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- Still going, created Diogo Valsassina in Special:Diff/1374472988 yesterday. It's already been sent to AfD by JTtheOG: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diogo Valsassina (just missing the WP:DSAIGEN deletion sorting). ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:49, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also, does Bronco test look human-written to you? JTtheOG (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- yes, see Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:17, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that you meant to say "no", as in "yes this is AI-generated". ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:41, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- yes, see Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:17, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also, does Bronco test look human-written to you? JTtheOG (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Still going, created Diogo Valsassina in Special:Diff/1374472988 yesterday. It's already been sent to AfD by JTtheOG: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diogo Valsassina (just missing the WP:DSAIGEN deletion sorting). ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:49, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- created Beverly Randolph on 18 Sept, currently at AfD, is mostly unsourced and several potential BLP vios. They've not responded to any of the last batch of warnings and messages, in fact they've only ever made 8 edits to their own talk (none to article talk pages) which are all very short, mostly saying "thank you" or "sorry" except for Special:Diff/1325986424, @Admins willing to patrol AINB: I think a mainspace block on CIR grounds may be warranted? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:12, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Blocked from mainspace. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
I noticed this user after a request on Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled. Recent articles contain a lot of WP:AIATTR; Saeed al-Amour's "media coverage and reception" section is an egregious example. Hani al-Hayek (from January) has promotional superficial analysis. e.g. Beyond international outreach, al-Hayek has engaged with local educational and research institutions, such as the Palestine Museum of Natural History, emphasizing collaborative efforts to support research and heritage education
. Looking at pages created,A year ago Omnipup mass-created Palestinian village articles that are blatantly LLM-generated (e.g. Bir al-Idd). Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:50, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
- Omnipup was previously warned about LLM usage several times in March here. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:57, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
- The recent creation Bayt al-Dhakira wal-Turath is another example riddled with over-attribution, e.g.
The book has also been cited in linguistic scholarship on Palestinian Arabic
andPublications issued by the center have likewise been referenced in peer-reviewed historical and linguistic research
. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 23:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC) - Hi @Helpful Raccoon, the 2025 and March LLM usage concerned specific articles and predates the WP policy chance that forbade the wider use of LLMs. I've recently used LLMs only in translation of articles from Hebrew for manual review and revision, fully noted in the talk pages and edit summaries, as allowed by corrent policy. I am attributing claims in articles because of WP:NPOV and the demand for attribution. If it is too much, please offer constructive feedback. Saeed al-Amour's section, an Israel/Palestine related articles, contains significant materials with lengthy descriptions to establish notability for a figure whose article might be challenged on these grounds. the Bayt al-Dhakira wal-turath attributions are likewise meant to add notability should the article be challenged as Afd on notability grounds. Omnipup1 (talk) 03:53, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- Pinging @Gurkubondinn who gave the warnings back in March. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:16, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- Seems like their replies in the Autopatrolled request can be read as tacit admission that they were at least using AI to generate articles. Username has been changed since I gave those notices in March, so I didn't immediately remember about this user. Keep in mind though that before NOLLM was passed, NEWLLM still prohibited generating new articles. And edits/articles that preceed NOLLM are not "grandfathered" in. That just means that an edit should not be sanctioned for that LLM usage, but it should still absolutely be factored in when requesting permissions like Autopatrolled.
- There's an OAICITE in Diff/1343935605 from
April 2026 (after NOLLM was passed). There's more of course, but this example incontrovertibly demonstratesthe AI use that they are denyingAI use. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:41, 26 August 2026 (UTC)- Apologies, I need to correct myself here. The edit that I linked is from March (not April). ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:00, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thank youOmnipup1 (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- Apologies, I need to correct myself here. The edit that I linked is from March (not April). ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:00, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Helpful Raccoon, I have completed the cleanup and revision of Saeed al-Amour's article for redundancy, conciseness and style, per your comment (diff), cleaning up the last article noted in this thread. Omnipup1 (talk) 20:25, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- Disregarding the suspected LLM usage in recently created articles, at the very least all edits made before April need to be cleaned up. I'm not sure what the starting point is. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 23:21, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- I will undertake a cleanup of the older 2025 LLM-assisted pages created accordingly Omnipup1 (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Thomson Walt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The article that first caught my attention was Pu xie qi yao. The tone of the article and the sourcing seemed irregular, but not a degree I could say with confidence it was AI. Looking at this editor's recent contributions, they have made a lot of large content additions in short spans of time recently, and while sometimes I myself wait to release big edits on similar topics at the same topic to help with page linking, the back-to-back edits this user makes on the same page at times lead me to believe these aren't saved edits being pushed out at once. As this editor reports being a native speaker of Isan, I think it is plausible there is some AI translation going on here; however even then I am skeptical of it being handled responsibly. I have already left a notice on the user's talk page about their marking of every edit as minor. I also thing the peculiar way they cite page numbers could be a human error, but warrants looking into. @Gurkubondinn and @Athanelar both weighed in on this while I was deciding whether to bring this to the noticeboard, so I'm pinging them so they can share their thoughts. – Ike Lek (talk) 15:39, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- My thoughts (and Anthanelar's) are on User talk:gurkubondinn § You free to give me a second opinion here?, can't say for sure if this is AI-generated or not, though I'm pretty sure that it is involved one way or another. The rapid large edits are concerning for sure, and this may be someone that isn't aware of the NOLLM guideline. ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:38, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
- On the fence here, I think translation is the most likely here. The phrasings are a little too idiosyncratic.
- Special:PermanentLink/1046670519 is an example of their older writing style, it's different from the comparable 2026 article Special:PermanentLink/1368964775 but not drastically so. Gnomingstuff (talk) 07:10, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/43164411 had
utm_source=chatgpt, and they're making large edits at an implausibly fast rate. @Thomson Walt, can you please respond here? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:06, 2 September 2026 (UTC)- still going, some 1000+ byte edits were in less than a minute Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:41, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
@Admins willing to patrol AINB: could we get a mainspace block to stop the flood? Editor has not responded and is actively and rapidly editing. M kuhner (talk) 03:39, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- looking⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 04:05, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing anything more recent than 3 days ago on their talk page, or anything beyond pointing them to this noticeboard conversation; and nothing about the edits I saw on the most recent contributions (I spot checked 3x edits that were over 1000 bytes added) immediately screams LLM. The rate of editing isn't static, and isn't so fast (again unless I'm missing something) that it couldn't be human. They most certainly were using them before, but I'm not sure I can justify a mainspace block based on their behavior *today* unless I'm missing something. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! — Preceding undated comment added 04:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi everyone. I want to be open about this. Yes, I do use AI/LLMs as part of my workflow. As I’ve mentioned on my user page, my English is around an intermediate level, so I rely on these tools to help me translate source materials and clean up my grammar, wording, and consistency. Because I use a mix of translator tools depending on the usage limitations and context, my writing style might shift over time. To clear up the confusion about the specific article mentioned above. It’s about a ruler found in a Chinese text. Previously, the info was mixed up with another figure from the Thai chronicles, Siddhijaya Brahmadeva. Since there isn't any established research linking the two, I separated the material and translated it from the Thai paper. The article was initially a bit messy, but I've gone ahead and fixed the issues mentioned.
- And why I usually add over 1,000 bytes so quickly. That's just how my usual workflow goes. When I read a research paper, I usually extract the relevant points and apply them to several related articles at once. For example, while reading Michael Vickery’s paper on the old cities of Chaliang, Si Satchanalai, and Sawankhalok, I found sections discussing the different historical debates around these locations. This information directly applied to three articles, its ruler Sri Naw Nam Thum and the sites Mueang Chaliang & Si Satchanalai Historical Park. Once I’ve fully processed the source, I can easily jump between the tabs and make those edits within about ten minutes. Since each edit needs its own context and full citation, an edit can naturally exceed 1,000 bytes. I usually repeat this process for every relevant point I find in each paper. On working days, I might get through about 3 papers, but on my days off, I can sometimes manage up to 10. About that
utm_source=chatgptparameter. I actually use the tool like a search engine to hunt down specific papers. Some sites automatically track where you came from and tack on those UTM parameters to the link. That tag just shows how I found the source, not that the content was generated by AI. Hope this helps clear things up. Thank you. Thomson Walt (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- And why I usually add over 1,000 bytes so quickly. That's just how my usual workflow goes. When I read a research paper, I usually extract the relevant points and apply them to several related articles at once. For example, while reading Michael Vickery’s paper on the old cities of Chaliang, Si Satchanalai, and Sawankhalok, I found sections discussing the different historical debates around these locations. This information directly applied to three articles, its ruler Sri Naw Nam Thum and the sites Mueang Chaliang & Si Satchanalai Historical Park. Once I’ve fully processed the source, I can easily jump between the tabs and make those edits within about ten minutes. Since each edit needs its own context and full citation, an edit can naturally exceed 1,000 bytes. I usually repeat this process for every relevant point I find in each paper. On working days, I might get through about 3 papers, but on my days off, I can sometimes manage up to 10. About that
User:Cyberkiborg
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Has created some articles, including the Transparency in the software supply chain article that is currently at AfD: WP:AFD/Transparency in the software supply chain. There's an excellent source analysis in § Verifiability issues on the talk page. The usual rapid editing in f.ex. History/Cyber threat intelligence. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:53, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your work. No irony intended—thank you. AI-generated hallucinations and the distortion of facts undermine the credibility of Wikipedia articles and, consequently, their purpose. So, as Dreamyshade recommended in the discussion you mentioned, I’ll refrain from using language-checking services and dictionaries (though Deepl, for example, seems to be acceptable as a tool), as well as from searching for sources and editing. I haven’t used LLMs extensively when writing articles; the examples from the analysis you mentioned—the one Dreamyshade did—are more a result of me seeking confirmation of my own conclusions and generalizations. As for “rapid editing”—this is because I compile big edits in Sublime, Google Docs, or Obsidian, and then transfer them to Wikipedia. I also break them down into self-contained sections along the way so that if any comments come up, they can be pinpointed, rather than having to undo my edits to the entire article. Cyberkiborg (talk) 20:10, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
(though Deepl, for example, seems to be acceptable as a tool)
- No it isn't.
I haven’t used LLMs extensively
- This isn't about how you haven't used them. How have you used them? Gnomingstuff (talk) 15:40, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I'm completely confused after these discussions and your comment—could you help me figure this out? If I understand WP:AITALK correctly,it states that you can use a translator, for example, but notes that it can make mistakes. I interpreted this to mean that you need to carefully verify the results when using it. Is that not the case? WP:LLMS allows for basic editing as long as the text and suggested sources are thoroughly verified. WP:LLM only mentions basic editing and prohibits the use of LLMs for any other tasks. In WP:LLMRESP, broader editing and source research are again permitted under certain restrictions. In fact, I’ve used tools like Google AI or ChatGPT to condense large amounts of my own text, find sources, and provide critical feedback—always verifying everything suggested. Dreamyshade’s comments on the article “Transparency in the Software Supply Chain” are correct, and I agree with every point. But in terms of LLM, they pertain to my own choice of sources, their placement in the text, and the degree of generalization of the information. I have already concluded that it is necessary to avoid getting carried away when presenting content and to present information exclusively in a neutral, concise manner, without generalizations ```` Cyberkiborg (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- The "basic copyediting" carveout in WP:NOLLM basically means things your average spell checker could do, not condensing text or "generalization of information" which are definitely functions that sound like they probably contributed to the source-text issues in Transparency in the software supply chain. purringmaggot (talk) 00:27, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- The reason for WP:AITALK is better explained by WP:LLMCOMM.
- ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:34, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- Got it. No LLMs when writing articles or participating in discussions. I apologize for relying on the essay where rules clearly forbid it. Honestly, I’m glad my first attempt failed—and not, say, my tenth—at trying to do something beyond a basic search. The rapid editing was a direct result of my process, where I tend to dump and structure everything in Obsidian first. Cyberkiborg (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I'm completely confused after these discussions and your comment—could you help me figure this out? If I understand WP:AITALK correctly,it states that you can use a translator, for example, but notes that it can make mistakes. I interpreted this to mean that you need to carefully verify the results when using it. Is that not the case? WP:LLMS allows for basic editing as long as the text and suggested sources are thoroughly verified. WP:LLM only mentions basic editing and prohibits the use of LLMs for any other tasks. In WP:LLMRESP, broader editing and source research are again permitted under certain restrictions. In fact, I’ve used tools like Google AI or ChatGPT to condense large amounts of my own text, find sources, and provide critical feedback—always verifying everything suggested. Dreamyshade’s comments on the article “Transparency in the Software Supply Chain” are correct, and I agree with every point. But in terms of LLM, they pertain to my own choice of sources, their placement in the text, and the degree of generalization of the information. I have already concluded that it is necessary to avoid getting carried away when presenting content and to present information exclusively in a neutral, concise manner, without generalizations ```` Cyberkiborg (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
Bumping thread. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:31, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:AuthorAuthor3
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created the WildBlue Press article, currently listed at AfD: WP:AFD/WildBlue Press. There is user communication in Diff/1371487695 and Diff/1371505099 (Use code with caution
, renders as ... college friend Michael Cordova, Use code with caution. whose wife, ...
) and then added faux-inline references in Diff/1371540058 after my notice in § August 2026 on their talk page. Actively editing and has not addressed concerns over the AI use. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:09, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- I did a search on Google when I looked for articles about the publisher. I didn't realize I was searching AI. AuthorAuthor3 (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
- Could you tell me what tool you were using to generate your citation templates? purringmaggot (talk) 18:54, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
- I found and read the sources, and I copied the citation format from other Wikipedia articles. I don't remember which ones. At one point I did a Google search asking if a citation was formatted right, and I've since learned that Google may answer questions with AI. AuthorAuthor3 (talk) 02:35, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. When you asked Google about the citations, could you have copied wiki code from there? The message "Use code with caution." wouldn't have come from copying templates from another article.
- There are loads of tools to generate citations, including right inside the Visual Editor (Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/2). Personally I use Citer for citations.
- The WildBlue article isn't the only cause for concern. For example, this diff was reverted by another editor because it constitutes close paraphrasing from the source, which is considered a type of copyright violation. This is also exactly the sort of output a chatbot would produce. If you've copied text from anywhere else in order to make your edits (forget about the citation templates for now, I'm asking about article text), it would be best if you could let us know. purringmaggot (talk) 03:13, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- I found and read the sources, and I copied the citation format from other Wikipedia articles. I don't remember which ones. At one point I did a Google search asking if a citation was formatted right, and I've since learned that Google may answer questions with AI. AuthorAuthor3 (talk) 02:35, 31 August 2026 (UTC)
- Could you tell me what tool you were using to generate your citation templates? purringmaggot (talk) 18:54, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
User:Stardust20
[edit]Stardust20 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) A lot of this users edits have been made using WP:LLM and need cleanup. I noticed it on Rothesay (insurer) and trying to cleanup the slop. Thanks, ~2026-46891-52 (talk) 15:02, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
- not triggered any relevant edit filters nor tags and no creations, lots of large edits made implausibly quick, but edits need more analysis. They started editing properly in Oct 2025, at which time they were adding non-existent templates . I'm gonna leave this for someone else (sorry) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:56, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
Dreune
[edit]Dreune (talk · contribs), XTools
Had a draft declined for LLM use 1 August, their creations have some AI signs (typically WP:AITREND/WP:SUPERFICIAL), but I'm not 100% certain. Notifying them now Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:23, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
- You must be referring to a draft:umuada not created by me. The draft was created by someone else accused of using AI which I didn't know about while the draft has a history of contributions by other editors. I only tried to improve on it. And that's the second draft I ever touched when I was barely one month old on Wikipedia. I think that was probably around April. Moreover, the draft was declined after you added an AI suspicion template. The two drafts I created on my own alone were accepted via Afc assessments. And none of the works I created contains hallucinations. All information has cited sources that support what they were used for which I can account for if necessary. The editor Dolpina that came to your talk page to request AI investigation of articles I wrote already has a history of controversy regarding articles related to the cultural group I usually write on and hers with several editors, including deletion nominations across wikimedia based on untrue claims which was declined after the truth was uncovered. I've opened a content dispute which she declined here Diffs can be provided if necessary. But I've requested advice on how to manage the situation. I think you probably know since she has invited you to some of the controversies, including the last article she nominated for deletion where you voted delete in support, although she didn't invite you at the last afd. Dreune (talk) 09:29, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- You're right sorry, that draft was created by someone else that was blocked for AI use. I've got no interest in ethnic rivalries, I'm just trying to prevent AI-generated content from existing in the encyclopedia; it's often subject to hallucinations (i.e. WP:V failures) and other issues like WP:NPOV/WP:WTW and WP:COPYVIO.
- I still see signs of AI-generated content in your edits, and Pangram ranges from giving it as partially AI, AI-assisted, and 100% AI . Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:08, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- Ok. thanks, I do not know how pangram works but do you think it could be inconsistent sometimes? For example the second link you shared is a paragraph from the article named Akwa ocha. I tried testing the whole article on pangram and it gave me a result of 100% human written here The exact page you wwould find that paragraph is in page 250 of this cited source here Please what do I do to resolve it? Should I rework the paragraphs or provide the particular pages where the other two paragraphs are from? I'll be grateful for your assistance. Dreune (talk) 05:51, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
User:G-Lignum
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Has created 174 pages since 2023, often creating articles within minutes of each other. Took a look at two of the most recent ones and found serious sourcing problems (and requested G15) in both of them;
In the initial revision; refs nr. 4, nr. 6, nr. 8, nr. 10, nr. 11, nr. 18, nr. 25, nr. 26, nr. 27, nr. 28, nr. 29, and nr. 32 are soft 404 errors (redirect to main page). Refs nr. 9 and nr. 12 return a 404 not found.
in the current revision; ref nr. 6 is a soft 404 (redirects to main page).
— Georgina AntonakakiIn the initial revision; ref nr. 18 returns 404 not found. Refs nr. 9, nr. 6, nr. 11 are soft 404 errors (redirects to main page). Ref nr. 7 is just a blank page.
In the current revision (AbuseLog/44991706; ref nr. 2 is the blank page and ref nr. 11 is a soft 404 (redirects to main page).
— Markella Papageorgiou (created four minutes after page Effrosyni Bakodimou)
Has been asked about and warned for AI-use several times, never responded to any of it except for a Thanks
when warned by Gnomingstuff in § June 2026. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:12, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- Their most recent article creation from just a few hours ago contains
CEV records her participation in several youth European Championship cycles and with the senior team at EuroVolley 2021, EuroVolley 2023, the 2025 European Golden League and EuroVolley 2026.
, an obvious LLM generation. JTtheOG (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2026 (UTC)- The user is blocked from svwiki for submitting machine translations without being able to speak or understand Swedish (but I do, so it is somewhat obvious to me that they dont). ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:46, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
I do accept the concerns raised about my use of AI in creating new Wikipedia articles. I recognise that this has happened repeatedly. Thus, I apologise for all, and also for not responding properly to the warnings. I stop now. I stop really. I take full responsibility for my actions, and sorry for the problems I have caused. G-Lignum (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- From today, I will work on these Articles, sentence-by-sentence, and source-by-source, so they can be accepted after a full review! Sorry again - G-Lignum (talk) 09:45, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: they're still creating AI articles: Special:Permalink/1374352947 (11 Sept) , Special:Permalink/1374021512 (9 Sept) . In Special:Permalink/1374039730 (9 Sept), re the passage starting
Kerto LVL is manufactured from approximately 3 mm thick
, doesn't say "3 mm", "pine", "spruce", nor "phenol-formaldehyde" (the only spotcheck I did). Imo a full indef and potentially a global lock Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 02:15, 12 September 2026 (UTC)- I remember noticing the "3 mm" issue too when I first looked into this user, but I don't remember why I didn't bring it up anywhere. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:32, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I tagged both Bronco test and Kerto LVL yesterday, but the tags were undone in short order. ‑‑gurkubondinn 07:29, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Another new article, Carsten Mai created in Permalink/1375004884 with some AIBOLD and AIATTR. Personally, I think that G-Lignum should do good on their promise to
take full responsibility for [their] actions
and towork on these Articles, sentence-by-sentence, and source-by-source, so they can be accepted
before creating any more articles. The running counter that is updated on their user page makes me wonder if this is some form of hat-collecting: Diff/1375004986. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:46, 15 September 2026 (UTC)- Allow me: I am working (as you can see on the old ones, those that AI generated by me), but I am writing some new ones as well. I can stop working on new, if this is your major point. Fix the old ones FIRST, OK!! (note- the counter is just a counter, to have a personal archive in my file; Do not take this also ... as a problem!) Thanks. G-Lignum (talk) 10:20, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Right now, I stop creating news articles. I will fix the old problematic ones. Thanks much. G-Lignum (talk) 12:21, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Allow me: I am working (as you can see on the old ones, those that AI generated by me), but I am writing some new ones as well. I can stop working on new, if this is your major point. Fix the old ones FIRST, OK!! (note- the counter is just a counter, to have a personal archive in my file; Do not take this also ... as a problem!) Thanks. G-Lignum (talk) 10:20, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
I have made all necessary corrections, also many deletions, and full editing/checking in all of my articles. Please check any of those. Thanks. G-Lignum (talk) 13:24, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
Consensus for LLMPRV
[edit]Support LLMPRV, they said they'd work on previous creations, but are still creating more (Stefano Lavarini), and really it isn't feasible anyway for them to rewrite ~170 articles anyway Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:49, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support. Do we know they have stopped using AI or not? ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:14, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support has anyone noticed "taking full responsibility" for AI use means your AI edits get to stay in mainspace unchanged forever? purringmaggot (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- In terms of "have they stopped using AI" I went through the sources for Stefano Lavarini and not much stood out to me as an issue (other than lack of citations in some areas which is not really OK for BLP articles but isn't itself evidence of LLM use). Ref #2 is this which does not mention Lavarini at all so I'm not sure what it's supposed to be a source for, but ref #1 handles that sentence anyway. Ref #4 you may ask yourself "how does this show he coached the South Korean team" but that is sourced in the body and per CITELEAD technically no citation is needed in the lead for that. So I don't see plain evidence of AI use from this article. purringmaggot (talk) 19:06, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
I am reporting the editor, Gurkubondinn
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
User talk:Gurkubondinn I am reporting here, in this page, what appears to be a pattern of annoying behaviour (I call it, booling!) by the Wikipedia editor, Gurkubondinn. I have recently acknowledged using AI assistance for approximately 4–5 volleyball-player articles. OK! I made a mistake. I admitted it openly.
However, this editor appears to follow all of my newly created articles and repeatedly puts labels in all of them as AI-assisted. But, AI was not used, see this last example (ca. 2 hours of work), Kerto LVL. I request here an independent review of whether this behaviour constitutes a disruptive behavior by this editor. G-Lignum (talk) 18:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- That'll probably in part be because there's strong evidence you continued to use AI after making that promise . Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:57, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
The AI noticeboard is for reports of LLM use. If you wish to make a claim of bad behavior against an editor, the appropriate noticeboard is WP:ANI. Please be aware that at any case at ANI, the behavior of both the editor complaining and the editor being complained of will be examined. I am closing this report as misplaced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M kuhner (talk • contribs) 19:24, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
Anagabt (OKA!)
[edit]Editor has been blocked from editing the mainspace (articles only) for AI/LLM violations. Also blocked from draft space.
Anagabt (talk · contribs), XTools
Had a draft declined for LLM use 19 July , edits from 20 to 28 July have markdown and chatbot communication . All 90 creations appear to be translations, WP:LLMTRANSLATE is the relevant guideline. I begrudgingly did some spotchecks of their latest creation, Pinerolo–Torre Pellice Railway:
- I couldn't access a lot of the sources, but doesn't appear to support
The service contract signed in 2020 between the Piedmont Mobility Agency and Trenitalia provides for the reopening of the line with 14 daily runs as an extension of the SFM2 Pinerolo–Chivasso line. The reopening is currently suspended and investigations are ongoing by the local authorities of the territory.
- and doesn't support
The overhead line remains in place on the Bricherasio–Pinerolo section, as the Bricherasio electrical substation powers the Pinerolo station yard and, together with the Airasca substation, the entire Pinerolo–Bivio Sangone (Turin) line.
These are the only two I checked, which doesn't bode well. Why we tolerate WP:WPOKA idk. Notified them of this Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:41, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- @Anagabt, can you please respond here? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:14, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi! Although we use LLMs in the translation process, as explained on our [https://oka.wiki/our-process/ official pages], all articles are manually reviewed to identify and remove any hallucinations that the LLMs might add. In cases of passages without references, hallucinations may involve adding sources in the wrong places or citing different pages, which is an mistake. I apologize for the situation, and I commit to paying closer attention to future articles to ensure this does not happen again. I will also be reviewing older pages. Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention and tagging me. Anagabt (talk) 16:41, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- Please don’t use AI to respond to comments here. Gnomingstuff (talk) 23:22, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- We have seen that official page many times. We just don't believe it, so please do not cite that at us as if it was a defence to anything. Having checked your contribs, I fail to understand what your post-reply edits have to do with fixing the issues, and your 29 August edit simply removes everything relying on the source wholesale, which does not inspire confidence in the thoroughness of your checking or indeed understanding of the text. I additionally also don't understand how you can expand rapidly, say here, I cannot seem to find the corresponding text in the itwiki article. I am in the process of going through all of your post-reply creations as I believe based on the tone that there are likely to be issues. It would be helpful if you can do that properly before I am finished. Fermiboson (talk) 10:31, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, thank you for your attention. We are advised to remove passages without sources, as this is frowned upon by the community and undermines the reliability of the published text. As for the section I removed, I did so because the original text either lacked sources or cited sources that are no longer available online. Even though I added reliable sources to the translation, I thought it was better to remove that material to stay closer to the original. Regarding the ship article, translations are based on existing pages, but translators are free to expand articles with new information related to the topic, provided it is backed by reliable sources. Besides that, no AI was used in the response, it was simply formatted incorrectly. Anagabt (talk) 15:41, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I do not believe this in the slightest. This is based on a list of source-text discreptancies in every single one of your post-reply "translations" that is so long that it might take me until tomorrow to type out, format and fully verify everything. Fermiboson (talk) 15:47, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Here we go.
- Draft:Bari–Matera Railway
- Infobox source 1 says closure is 1972-1974 rather than just 1972 and has no section opening detail that I can find.
- Source 9 cites
In 2022, work was completed on the undergrounding of the line between Quartierino and Poggiofranco
but 1. the news article says 2023 and 2. is about a pedestrian bypass, not the line itself. - Second sentence in lede cited to Source 2, I cannot find where in the video it says anything about it, notwithstanding the issue of citing such a statement to a youtube video, though admittedly I could have missed something with this
- "Selective doublings... Modugno" cited to the pdf in source 7, which is a "PROGETTO DEFINITIVO" (detailed design), not a construction document; source 8 could maybe count as supporting the fact that work is under way if you squint but definitely doesn't mention double tracking or undergrounding.
- Purchase of 5 battery trains in "Matera metropolitan railway service" section unsupported; in fact p3 of the MIT decree says "con l’acquisizione di 3 treni a batteria per lo stesso importo e l’aggiunta di ulteriori somme per il completamento dell’infrastruttura della linea Altamura - Matera".
- Draft:Biella–Mongrando Railway
The Belgian company obtained in 1882 the concession for two tram lines (Biella–Sagliano Micca and Cossato–Strona)
is apparently not in decree 184 but 194 (as far as I could make sense of the text files for either), which saysa costruzione e l'esercizio di una strada ferrata, a sezione ridotta, da Cossato a Strona, e di altra da Biella a Sagliano Micca
and according to gtrans "strada ferrata a sezione ridotta" means narrow-gauge railway, not tramway.Via an urban connection in Biella, it was linked in 1922 to the narrow-gauge Biella–Oropa Sanctuary tramway.
1922 is found nowhere in the cited source.- I am unable to find any evidence of the existence of the L'Eco dell'Industria article aside from the itwiki article (which does, admittedly, mean this comes from the itwiki article). Similarly source 8 is missing from the bibliography.
- Draft:Marengo-Mandrogne Tramway
Ministerial authorization for the construction of a mechanically powered tramway was granted in 1881 to cavalier Domenico Bellisomi
unsupported by source 1 - the ministerial authorisation can be found on p9 (Con decreto del 27 novembre...), while p12 says Bellisomi obtained the agreement of the Prefect in 1882.In 1913, a connecting track was inaugurated between the line and ...
p27 doesn't mention 1913. p25 does mention the inauguration of two tramways, but they do not appear to be referring to the relevant connecting track.
- Calabro–Lucanian Railways
Rogliano–Soveria Mannelli (35.484 km), 11 October 1922
opening date - Rogliano not found anywhere in source.approval came only on 4 December 1902 with the law named after Zanardelli
- Zanardelli's speech is 29 Sept 1902, and its content is inaccessible; the actual law seems to beTESTO DELLA LEGGE SPECIALE PER LA BASILICATA APPROVATA DALLA CAMERA NELLA TORNATA DEL 23 FEBBRAIO 1904
which is, well, not 1902.
- Draft:Comingsoon.it
- Every single claim in the content section is unsupported by the source. Only content claim in the source is
I contenuti sono curati da una redazione in grado di coprire tutto il mondo dell’entertainment: cinema, tv, digital distribution, serie tv, musica, games, libri e tecnologia.
notwithstanding the fact that it is an obvious advertisement.
- Every single claim in the content section is unsupported by the source. Only content claim in the source is
- Draft:Bari–Matera Railway
- Some of these do appear in the corresponding itwiki version. No matter the case, however, this amount of mass verification failures (I'm only 1/3 of the way through) is disruptive and unacceptable. As content creation is continuing at a high rate, @Admins willing to patrol AINB: can we please get a mainspace and draftspace pblock for the time being while I type out the rest of this. Fermiboson (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- While I'm working through the rest of this, Draft:Italica (ship) is G15able as Soviet Merchant Ships has an invalid ISBN and source 16 resolves to the wrong article in a different issue of the journal. Fermiboson (talk) 15:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Blocked from mainspace and draftspace. As part of the cleanup, the reviewers who accepted LLM-generated drafts to mainspace should be notified to be more vigilant in the future. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 15:57, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think that a lot of reviewers are still getting acclimatised to the avalance of AI-generated drafts. Especially the ones that have been doing it for a while are often still tuned to every draft having been actually written by someone, and this is a very jarring change. I don't fault them for this, but I do think that we should be making a serious effort of helping them be aware of the problem. The best way in this case is probably to just bring them into this discussion, and hopefully encourage them to lurk around AIN to get used to the common tells and patterns. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:39, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Blocked from mainspace and draftspace. As part of the cleanup, the reviewers who accepted LLM-generated drafts to mainspace should be notified to be more vigilant in the future. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 15:57, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- While I'm working through the rest of this, Draft:Italica (ship) is G15able as Soviet Merchant Ships has an invalid ISBN and source 16 resolves to the wrong article in a different issue of the journal. Fermiboson (talk) 15:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, thank you for your attention. We are advised to remove passages without sources, as this is frowned upon by the community and undermines the reliability of the published text. As for the section I removed, I did so because the original text either lacked sources or cited sources that are no longer available online. Even though I added reliable sources to the translation, I thought it was better to remove that material to stay closer to the original. Regarding the ship article, translations are based on existing pages, but translators are free to expand articles with new information related to the topic, provided it is backed by reliable sources. Besides that, no AI was used in the response, it was simply formatted incorrectly. Anagabt (talk) 15:41, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi! Although we use LLMs in the translation process, as explained on our [https://oka.wiki/our-process/ official pages], all articles are manually reviewed to identify and remove any hallucinations that the LLMs might add. In cases of passages without references, hallucinations may involve adding sources in the wrong places or citing different pages, which is an mistake. I apologize for the situation, and I commit to paying closer attention to future articles to ensure this does not happen again. I will also be reviewing older pages. Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention and tagging me. Anagabt (talk) 16:41, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
Added a tracker. How are we going to implement Anachronist's request to notify everyone who accepted drafts from this editor? M kuhner (talk) 11:20, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I can just do it while doing the LLMPRODs, think I'll ping in the edit sum if I see someone's accepted multiple Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:05, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- LLMPRODs done, I didn't notify AfC reviewers as it would've slowed me down, they were all people I've seen be vigilant at other times though. There are a few AfC drafts that need declining Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:55, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701, I accepted Cepheus OB2 Region, Cepheus OB3 Region, and Cepheus OB4 Region and I remember them being relatively decent translations of itwiki's versions (based on cognates from French, Spanish, and English), which were all made way before the AI Boom. That does not rule out AI usage during translation and I do concede that I do not speak Italian, though. Would you remove the PRODs if you were in my position and why? ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:14, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Quxyz, the guideline to check against is WP:LLMTRANSLATE which says the onus is on the translator to make sure that any translated content is supported by the sources, regardless of the quality of the original article. This user doesn't appear to have been do that at all, and while it's possible that the odd article is PAG-compliant, we'd need to review all articles for WP:V to find those ones (which is time-consuming). So I'd recommend reviewing these articles for WP:V if you want and editing where necessary (the sources appear to be in English), then removing the tags in line w WP:LLMPRVOBJ (sorry, ik that's probably not what you wanted to hear) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I might take out the PRODs for now because it is not the worst LLM content I have seen on the encyclopedia by a long-shot (speaking as an infrequent AfC reviewer dealing with corposlop) which gives me a bit of hope. It should also give me a bit of time to review the pages since there are three of them and they are somewhat lengthy and astronomical papers are not the easiest reads. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:32, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- feel free to userfy or draftify them if doing that, otherwise it might be best to tag w {{AI-generated}} if left in mainspace (I've seen a few times where someone says they'll review but then forget) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:35, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just to correct the misunderstanding, you have to verify that everything is supported by the sources before you can remove the LLMPROD tag. The alternative is to userfy the articles. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:38, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, yes, all good points. I will work on this. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Know what, I got through one section on OB2 and I think I might just let it burn since it seems up to 80% might be WP:OR and the rest may need significant rewording to get it appropriate for the encyclopedia. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:57, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have salvaged multiple LLM articles (Hypocnemis was the one that taught me how), and...I don't do it anymore. It is more work than writing a new article as the issues tend to be pervasive. You can get rid of overt LLM text and bad references but some degree of pointlessness and vagueness tends to remain. I reviewed one a few days ago where the sportsman in question coached his home team until mid-season and was abruptly let go. A human would wonder why, but the LLM was oblivious, despite there being material in the sources to answer this question.
- Let it burn; hopefully someone will write a real article eventually. M kuhner (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I do not think it is fully an LLM issue as the itwiki article legitimately has similar content. However, any LLM usage there is did not ameliorate any issues. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 21:01, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed, from my review I would say maybe half of the issues do come from itwiki. But of course we shouldn't be give a pass to bad content just because they come from other wikis. Fermiboson (talk) 21:10, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I do not think it is fully an LLM issue as the itwiki article legitimately has similar content. However, any LLM usage there is did not ameliorate any issues. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 21:01, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Know what, I got through one section on OB2 and I think I might just let it burn since it seems up to 80% might be WP:OR and the rest may need significant rewording to get it appropriate for the encyclopedia. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:57, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, yes, all good points. I will work on this. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I might take out the PRODs for now because it is not the worst LLM content I have seen on the encyclopedia by a long-shot (speaking as an infrequent AfC reviewer dealing with corposlop) which gives me a bit of hope. It should also give me a bit of time to review the pages since there are three of them and they are somewhat lengthy and astronomical papers are not the easiest reads. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:32, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Quxyz, the guideline to check against is WP:LLMTRANSLATE which says the onus is on the translator to make sure that any translated content is supported by the sources, regardless of the quality of the original article. This user doesn't appear to have been do that at all, and while it's possible that the odd article is PAG-compliant, we'd need to review all articles for WP:V to find those ones (which is time-consuming). So I'd recommend reviewing these articles for WP:V if you want and editing where necessary (the sources appear to be in English), then removing the tags in line w WP:LLMPRVOBJ (sorry, ik that's probably not what you wanted to hear) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701, I accepted Cepheus OB2 Region, Cepheus OB3 Region, and Cepheus OB4 Region and I remember them being relatively decent translations of itwiki's versions (based on cognates from French, Spanish, and English), which were all made way before the AI Boom. That does not rule out AI usage during translation and I do concede that I do not speak Italian, though. Would you remove the PRODs if you were in my position and why? ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 18:14, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
User:2006mar
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created Ahmed Choukri Stadium (Diff/1367158105) and Moulay Rachid Stadium (Casablanca) (Diff/1369115621) recently, both with AIREDCATS. Markdown in AbuseLog/44812363, AbuseLog/44811935, AbuseLog/44811812, AbuseLog/44784948. Attempts to cite Wikipedia in AbuseLog/44805142, AbuseLog/44796124, AbuseLog/44796120, and AbuseLog/44784947.
Has been warned several times, ignored it every time. Was asked about User talk:2006mar § Fake citations by JTtheOG, ignored that too. Asked Problem?
in Special:Diff/1365377903 when an AfC draft was declined. Mainly edits Moroccan sports-related articles, so there might be a language barrier at play. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:58, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
- Still editing, recent edits are smaller. Diff/1374407716 introduced incorrect grammar, but didn't see any AISIGNS in the ones that I spot checked. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:36, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
User: ScytodesReticulata
[edit]ScytodesReticulata (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM.
hello all, I had just checked the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church to see if it had become more NPOV compliant after a long time from reading it and noticed recent edits and this user. The first thing I noticed was the Sunday Times article used as a reference for the Unchosen section of the article - it doesn't seem to exist, I've tried multiple archive sites and the only snapshot I can find is just the login screen or a white space. There also is some of the usual 'don't tag the page, give examples' thing that I've seen OVER AND OVER without saying whether they used it or not (seriously, wth) along with some... Vibes. I checked further on this user and found their edits to String trimmer while good, also looked like some generated text. The Purdue reference supports the text but the vibes are off.
Can anyone experienced check this out and let me know if I am barking up the wrong tree, and kindly tell me to stop reading so much AI stuff (thanks, work) if I'm mistaken? Hooples (talk) 15:32, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- Their edit filter (linked above) is pretty concerning. I doubt you're barking up the wrong tree. I'll spot-check and send a warning if needed. M kuhner (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- https://www.thetimes.com/culture/tv-radio/article/unchosen-review-asa-butterfield-netflix-9lpwzzs8x
- This is the Sunday times article. Do a google search "Sunday Times" and "Unchosen". Not difficult. ScytodesReticulata (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
I don't think there's any doubt. Unfortunately 65% of the Plymouth article is by this user (based on mw:Who Wrote That?) which is a particularly tough range for cleanup: at high percents it's easy to delete, at low percents to revert, this is neither. I have linked this case at the Talk page: maybe local editors will have suggestions. We may have to revert to the pre-LLM state. M kuhner (talk) 16:45, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- I can assure you that EVERY claim made in the parts of the article I contributed has been checked against its source, and that every sentence is relevant, factual, attributed and thoroughly human. The parts of the article written by others are also accurate, although i have not personally checked all the citations that other editors have used. I note a few broken links which I will endeavor to correct by transferring to archive versions.
- Note that there is a series of citations from historic UK newspaper articles that do not have a URL based citation. Most of these articles are available on British Newspaper Archive (https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.com) which is behind a paywall. I have a personal library of 200+ historic newspaper articles downloaded from BNA about the PBCC/EB. I can supply a scan copy of any of these original articles on request, or a copy of the whole collection. None of these cited news articles are AI sourced. I have personally read every single source I have cited.
- I have sometimes asked an LLM for suggestions on how to describe events or facts in neutral language, and have adopted the phrases suggested if I feel they are optimal. This may have led to some of my paragraphs having an AI vibe. As wikipedia:NOLLM says, "The writing style of some editors may appear similar to the output of LLMs, meaning that the imposition of sanctions requires evidence beyond basic stylistic or linguistic indications"
- I also use LLMs to convert the text I compose into wikicode and to assist in formatting the citations. (I am not very computer literate and I have found rendering citations correctly very challenging - hence resorting to LLMs to help with the correct formatting of the citations to the sources i have selected.) This may lead to some characteristic citation styles and/or formatting errors. In particular, this sometimes leads to incorrect 'titles' for news articles, as the LLM may derive these from the URL, which may not correspond to the actual printed title. I should have picked up these errors, and will try to correct any that I find - however, these errors in the article title do not mean that the article is hallucinated or irrelevant - every source is selected by me personally. I have just corrected the "Sunday Times" citation mentioned. As you will see, the citation is relevant and genuine.
- By all means go ahead and painstakingly check every claim against its source, but you will be wasting your time. I probably have the most extensive personal collection of resources about the PBCC on the planet, and am frequently consulted by journalists for information. I do know what I am talking about. I would suggest that before accusing editors of not checking their claims against sources, you should have the courtesy to find at least one example of a false or unattributed claim in their work. Keep in mind that long form and comprehensive articles about secretive, complex and controversial groups such as the PBCC take hundreds of hours of research and thought, and there are few people who have both the patience and specific knowledge of the subject matter to be able to do this work.
- While I appreciate the importance of your work in removing AI generated articles from Wikipedia, in this instance you are barking up the wrong tree, as you will see if you would only take the time to test your assumptions. ScytodesReticulata (talk) 16:40, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- @ScytodesReticulata, this edit has markdown, which means you have been using a chatbot. Please be honest with us, people regularly get blocked for persistent LLM use Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:46, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I said above, I have used LLM to help to correctly format citations which I have selected. I am not a computer coding expert and I often have difficulty rendering citations. The Wikipedia ban is in LLM generated CONTENT - not on using LLM to help with coding and formatting content which I have created. You really need to read the rules. ScytodesReticulata (talk) 17:00, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- There's no need to be a "computer coding expert", and I've written User:gurkubondinn/REFPRIMER to help with this. You can also try using the WP:VISUAL editor, or using the WP:REFTOOLBAR to easily add references. This is not an overly difficult task, and referencing is something that deserves just as much care as writing the encyclopaedic material itself. ‑‑gurkubondinn 17:09, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- To add: it is very unsafe to allow the LLM to write your citations. I have been cleaning up large numbers of cases where the LLM helpfully filled in ISBNs, DOIs, database accession numbers, etc. Unfortunately they tended to point to different books or articles than the one being cited. Simple, correct human-written citations are vastly preferable to that. M kuhner (talk) 19:22, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- User:Hooples, I write and edit a number of Christianity-related articles. I would recommend that this article, as well as the Exclusive Brethren article, be restored to their previous versions, being this revision and this revision, respectively. Over time, I will work on adding academic references to both of these articles. At present, both articles are in violation of WP:NPOV. Please let me know your thoughts. With regards, AnupamTalk 23:34, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- User:M kuhner made the suggestion and I agree. I have restored the previous revisions for now. AI/LLM is not the only concern here; there are serious concerns of WP:NPOV and WP:DUE. I highly suspect that the release of the Unchosen series has influenced the rewriting of these articles. I would recommend that an administrator also review this. AnupamTalk 23:47, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- In general, administrators do not adjudicate content disputes. If you need input on the NPOV/DUE issues I suggest the steps listed in WP:SEEKHELP. I'm happy to help with LLM diagnosis but I'm neither an admin nor an NPOV expert. However, you may find discussions go better if someone uninvolved "hats" the LLM comments; happy to try that if needed. M kuhner (talk) 00:20, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have close to 70,000 edits on English Wikipedia and often edit in religion spaces; the NPOV issues are easy to discern from looking at User:ScytodesReticulata's edits. With regard to pinging you, it was because you had suggested reverting to the pre-AI/LLM revisions, which I have done. I was just pointing out that AI/LLM isn't the only issue here. Kind regards, AnupamTalk 00:26, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I agree that it isn't. The Talk page really made me cringe. Thanks for tackling this; you're in a much better position to make it right than the anti-LLM team would be. If an outside person can be helpful please let me know. M kuhner (talk) 01:13, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have close to 70,000 edits on English Wikipedia and often edit in religion spaces; the NPOV issues are easy to discern from looking at User:ScytodesReticulata's edits. With regard to pinging you, it was because you had suggested reverting to the pre-AI/LLM revisions, which I have done. I was just pointing out that AI/LLM isn't the only issue here. Kind regards, AnupamTalk 00:26, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I was shocked to find this article has been decimated by reverting to a much older version. The article has been a very valuable resource to me as there is no other source available that has anything like the amount of up to date information on the PBCC. I have always found it to be reliable and accurate. I work with leavers and survivors of high demand religious groups, including former pbcc members, and it is vital that psychologists and social workers have this detailed information about PBCC practices to hand. If there are any identifiable errors, and I am not aware of any, surely it would be better to address them individually, rather than this heavy-handed mass deletion of valuable and irreplaceable data? Cursive-hieroglyph (talk) 04:50, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- In order to be valuable, information has to be accurate. The community has rejected use of LLMs on English Wikipedia, codified in WP:NOLLM, in large part because they are not felt to be accurate enough. As someone who has spent many hours source-checking LLM articles I agree with this. They tend to be riddled with small falsehoods and exaggerations--or sometimes big ones.
- Whatever was of value there can be built back up with human text and human sourcing. Nothing is irreplaceable.
- For psychologists and social workers dealing professionally with these issues, I would strongly recommend not relying on Wikipedia in any case. It is a user-edited site. M kuhner (talk) 06:39, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ScytodesReticulata. Thank you, AnupamTalk 16:36, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- The value and usefulness of Wikipedia lies in the fact that every statement is backed by a citation and can therefore be checked. The article that you have so precipitately decimated was extremely citation rich, and provided a very convenient library with links to all manner of academic papers and news articles from all over the globe that would otherwise be almost impossible to find. Yes, there may have been a few broken links, this is true of almost all articles, but how can this possibly justify such extreme actions on your part?
- I shall be speaking to colleagues in academia to address what I can only describe as vandalism.
- You seem to have no idea what damage you are doing. Cursive-hieroglyph (talk) 18:25, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Our experience with LLM is that when the citations are checked in detail, they often are not accurate. That's the consideration that led to WP:NOLLM being passed by consensus of the community in March 2026. Reversions made in support of key Wikipedia guidelines are not considered vandalism.
- The broken links are a symptom, not the core problem. The core problem is that due to lack of human insight, LLMs write terrible Wikipedia articles. There are issues with fact-checking, neutral point of view, due emphasis, judging reliable sources (they are terrible at that), organization of material, broken or incoherent citations, exaggeration, puffery, and more.
- If you want to make the previous version available, Wikipedia has an extremely permissive license: just click into the pre-reversion version in the history and make a personal copy. You can put it on your web site, print it out, whatever.
- If you want to propose a change to WP:NOLLM, see WP:Village pump in the Policies section.
- If you'd like to help with cleanup, I can suggest ways to get involved with that. M kuhner (talk) 20:13, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- In general, administrators do not adjudicate content disputes. If you need input on the NPOV/DUE issues I suggest the steps listed in WP:SEEKHELP. I'm happy to help with LLM diagnosis but I'm neither an admin nor an NPOV expert. However, you may find discussions go better if someone uninvolved "hats" the LLM comments; happy to try that if needed. M kuhner (talk) 00:20, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- User:M kuhner made the suggestion and I agree. I have restored the previous revisions for now. AI/LLM is not the only concern here; there are serious concerns of WP:NPOV and WP:DUE. I highly suspect that the release of the Unchosen series has influenced the rewriting of these articles. I would recommend that an administrator also review this. AnupamTalk 23:47, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- User:Hooples, I write and edit a number of Christianity-related articles. I would recommend that this article, as well as the Exclusive Brethren article, be restored to their previous versions, being this revision and this revision, respectively. Over time, I will work on adding academic references to both of these articles. At present, both articles are in violation of WP:NPOV. Please let me know your thoughts. With regards, AnupamTalk 23:34, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- To add: it is very unsafe to allow the LLM to write your citations. I have been cleaning up large numbers of cases where the LLM helpfully filled in ISBNs, DOIs, database accession numbers, etc. Unfortunately they tended to point to different books or articles than the one being cited. Simple, correct human-written citations are vastly preferable to that. M kuhner (talk) 19:22, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- There's no need to be a "computer coding expert", and I've written User:gurkubondinn/REFPRIMER to help with this. You can also try using the WP:VISUAL editor, or using the WP:REFTOOLBAR to easily add references. This is not an overly difficult task, and referencing is something that deserves just as much care as writing the encyclopaedic material itself. ‑‑gurkubondinn 17:09, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I said above, I have used LLM to help to correctly format citations which I have selected. I am not a computer coding expert and I often have difficulty rendering citations. The Wikipedia ban is in LLM generated CONTENT - not on using LLM to help with coding and formatting content which I have created. You really need to read the rules. ScytodesReticulata (talk) 17:00, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- @ScytodesReticulata, this edit has markdown, which means you have been using a chatbot. Please be honest with us, people regularly get blocked for persistent LLM use Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:46, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
Looking to build a consensus for cleanup. I have attached a tracker for easier examination. M kuhner (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support, see Cheryl Bawtinheimer (Feb 2026) for instance, markdown was Oct 2025, Special:Diff/1354802193 (May 2026) triggered Paste Check Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:17, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support starting LLMPRV cleanup. ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:02, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm Dr Jill Aebi-Mytton, Counselling Psychologist and lecturer/research associate at the University of Salford, U.K (UoS). I specialise in the study of new Religious Movements. I have studied the PBCC for over 35 years and regularly present papers at the International Cultic Studies Association annual conferences in North America and Europe. My doctoral thesis was based on research with former members of the PBCC and is located here https://repository.mdx.ac.uk/item/88199.
- I am currently developing this page - https://rkc.academia.edu/JillAebiMytton
- I am a colleague of Professor Eileen Barker, a well-known sociologist and founder of INFORM. At UoS I work with Dr. Rod Dubrow-Marshall and Dr. Linda Dubrow-Marshall, who were the founders of the first MSc in the Psychology of Coercive Control.
- I was alerted by my colleague Cursive-hieroglyph that the PBCC article on Wikipedia had been reverted to an earlier version resulting in the removal of a large volume of useful information. (I can assure you that Cursive-hieroglyph is neither a "sockpuppet" or a "Meatpuppet" as you have suggested. She is someone who has dedicated her life to helping former members of high control religious groups, is very careful that anything she posts is fact checked. and her concerns should be taken seriously.)
- The study of the PBCC is particularly difficult. This very private and isolationist church restricts access to its internal literature and teachings to members in good standing, and is simultaneously very active in publishing extensive "public relations" websites that present a very one-sided and somewhat optimistic picture of themselves. In practice, the church's internal teachings and its public facing website often directly contradict each other. In addition, the numerous news articles about the PBCC are usually countered by the church who publish flat denials of what is reported. Information in the public domain is therefore often misleading, biased and contradictory. Additionally, there are a large number of different Plymouth Brethren groups which can add to any confusion. Although all coming from the same root, namely John Nelson Darby, there have been numerous splits. Prior to 2012 the PBCC were known as Exclusive Brethren, a name it shared with several other factions.
- I suggest therefore that the task of reviewing and restoring the recently reverted version of the PBCC Wikipedia page should fall to someone with some in-depth knowledge of the subject.
- I would like to offer to help with this task myself, and draw in one or two experienced colleagues from UoS, if that would be useful to you. DrJillA-M (talk) 14:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- As with all editors in good standing, you are extremely welcome to help. However, there are a few things you should be aware of.
- Editors do not have any ownership over specific articles. It's essential to be able to work with other editors who are also interested in the topic. (See WP:OWN for discussion.) This can be a struggle for someone with a lot of area knowledge and expertise to deal with.
- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. If the press has things all wrong, and you personally know the truth--it is generally not possible to do anything useful with that, because as an encyclopedia we are responsible for summarizing what we find in reliable sources. Original research is disallowed. This can also be a struggle for area experts (it is for me, when I look at articles in my scientific discipline). See WP:NOR for discussion.
- This can be particularly hard if you have a personal commitment to one side of a debate or controversy. This has, in my reading as an outsider, been a serious issue with the Brethren articles. A useful essay about this is WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS.
- Finally, the use of LLMs is prohibited for anything other than copyediting and certain forms of translation. The Talk page of the Brethren article has suffered badly from LLM-based bludgeoning. I recommend being human, brief, and collegial, because you'd be dealing with a group of editors who have had, frankly, a terrible time and are going to be touchy.
- Best wishes, and if I can be of any help, please drop a note on my Talk page. M kuhner (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- As a lecturer and teacher, I am aware of the problems of AI generated content - as I frequently (and unfortunately), must address this issue when marking my students' work. I am also of course, familiar with the standards of accurate and careful use of sources/citations and neutral point of view that apply to writing academic papers.
- I have no aspirations to "ownership" of the article, or to insert my personal opinions or original research, the advantage that I have is simply this - I have knowledge of, and access to, a far wider range of relevant sources than most. Many very useful sources currently exist only in print form, or behind paywalls, and even those that are online are poorly indexed. I am not suggesting that "the press has things all wrong", I am suggesting that where a controversial claim is made, I may well have the resources to provide a balancing citation from an opposing point of view.
- What I would suggest as a starting point is that I review the whole of the disputed content to see if it is 1. Factual, 2. Supported by credible sources and 3. Neutral, balanced and proportionate. Would you agree that this is the next step?
- PS When I tried replying to Kowal2701 I was blocked from doing so - I am not sufficiently knowledgable about IT to understand why this "IP address range has been blocked". I am not at home though DrJillA-M (talk) 16:26, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'd be very happy to see such a review. The Talk page of the article would be the appropriate location: you could add a ping here. M kuhner (talk) 18:56, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- You may have been using an internet address or address range, such as at a hotel or cafe, that has been abused by others and is blocked. Since you're able to post here, I presume you're no longer at the problematic address. I can't think of any reason it would be specific to Kowal2701. You might try again.
- If you find yourself long-term at a problematic IP or range, there's a procedure for requesting a personal exemption. M kuhner (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- IP addresses of schools are usually blocked because of vandalism from students. As M kuhner alluded to, if this is a recurring problem you may want to apply for an 'IP block exemption' at WP:IPBE.
What I would suggest as a starting point is that I review the whole of the disputed content to see if it is 1. Factual, 2. Supported by credible sources and 3. Neutral, balanced and proportionate. Would you agree that this is the next step?
, yes this is the right approach, thank you. If you need any help with wiki markup, Help:Wikitext and Help:Referencing have some guidance. Thank you very much for taking this on! Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:24, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- You may find the advice at WP:EXPERT useful, if you need help with anything please do ask Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:03, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Middleground1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The usual. AI edits going back at least until 2025. Multiple warnings on talk page and no change in behavior. When will it end. Why does no one listen. Gnomingstuff (talk) 15:38, 30 August 2026 (UTC)
- Countless filter log special abuse triggered. Can't go unnoticed for long. ~2026-47519-49 (talk) 12:47, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yep, loads of AI-sourced citations , creations from 2024 have lots of signs, worth doing a proper analysis (I'll try in a bit if no-one beats me to it) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:54, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/39603430 (Dec 2024) is the first chatgpt-derived link. John Theurer Cancer Center (June 2023) mixes the use of emdash and double hyphen, its "Notable accomplishments" section is very promotional but this appears human-written, similar to Filip Swirski (March 2024) except for
His writings reflect translational and fundamental cardiovascular and neurodegenerative science research...
(Pangram says no ). There's mass creation and lots more signs in late 2025, looks like that may be where the start date is, but more analysis needed Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:42, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/39603430 (Dec 2024) is the first chatgpt-derived link. John Theurer Cancer Center (June 2023) mixes the use of emdash and double hyphen, its "Notable accomplishments" section is very promotional but this appears human-written, similar to Filip Swirski (March 2024) except for
- Yep, loads of AI-sourced citations , creations from 2024 have lots of signs, worth doing a proper analysis (I'll try in a bit if no-one beats me to it) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:54, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
MeloMaster
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
MeloMaster (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I ran into this person's articles through seeing The Early Spring on the NPP popular unreviewed list, and it had characteristic AI phrasing and source-text integrity issues. This is a bummer because it's a very popular show, so lots of people are reading the article. I cleaned up some of it, but really it needs more work.
The person also made a bunch of other articles that need review for AI issues and likely reworking - see User:MeloMaster/Articles - including Oh Eun-seo, Generation to Generation, Dear X (webtoon), Love for You, Love Between Lines, and Speed and Love. I left a notice on their talk page a few days ago about LLM use, but it looks like they may not have received a warning before that. They haven't edited for a few weeks. Dreamyshade (talk) 04:49, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- LLMPROD needed asap ~2026-47519-49 (talk) 12:44, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- I just spot-checked a couple of their articles and spotted AI signs and source-text integreity issues in them all. I'd support an LLMPROD. InfernoHues (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Magentic Manifestations
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Magentic Manifestations (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Magentic Manifestations has recently created or edited a number of similar pages, and I have noticed several things that seem worth looking into.
Checked some paragraphs of different articles with AI detection tool and each of them flagged as 100% AI-generated. One thing that stands out is that some of the articles were created as a single large edit, with large amount of structured and technical content appearing all at once with a single large first edit. This is also the case with Pyroclastic rocks, Peddapalli. The article contains detailed geological descriptions and explanations from the beginning.
There are also some inconsistencies in the article. Some of the wording appears more detailed than what is supported by the cited sources, and some statements seem to go beyond what the references establish. There are also generic explanations of terms which seem unnecessary for the article and make parts of it read more like a generated summary.
Specialabuse filters have been noticing this since a very long time. Check filter log.
Tagged Pyroclastic rocks, Peddapalli for now ~2026-47519-49 (talk) 12:42, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you are making a claim against an editor, then it would be better if you could provide concrete proof of the allegation being leveled so as to address them. New articles are generally created from scratch in one go and nothing is wrong with that. The mentioned article in question (Pyroclastic rocks, Peddapalli) adheres to the MOS and has three clearly sourced paragraphs. You have tagged three other articles as well blindly as AI-generated with no clear reason. So, unless you have something concrete here, I am going to remove the tags and ignore this discussion ever happened. Thanks.
- Note: The only edits from the IP address in question seems to have been leveling these allegations. Seems suspect and motivated. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ironically, Pangram says that the report is 100% AI-generated, which does indeed seem likely. Kisseran (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Im not seeing any huge signs of LLM use in that article, but it's hard to tell with such a small text. Everything looks attributed correctly, the notability seems suspect but that's not what I focus on. Hooples (talk) 15:49, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm concerned by very close paraphrase of source 1. The archiving prevents my copy-vio software from running on this source, but eyeballing shows near-identical passages of considerable length. For example: source has
The outcrop is reported as welded agglomerate consisting rounded to angular, large fragments of granite, granite gneiss, basalt and banded ferruginous quartzite set in a matrix of ignimbrite. The acidic fragments are ripped off from the country rocks during violent eruptions. The rock characteristics indicate ignimbritic pyromagma which has contributed to the glowing avalanche type of volcanic eruption.
- In contrast, article has
Pyroclastic rocks at Peddapalli comprise a welded agglomerate of various igneous rocks such as granite, gneiss, basalt, and banded ferruginous quartzite, set in a matrix of ignimbrite. [...] These rocks were formed when fragments were ripped from the country rocks during violent submarine volcanic eruptions. The rock characteristics indicate ignimbritic magma associated with a glowing-avalanche type of eruption.
- The wording "country rocks" is sufficiently odd to attract notice here.
- I am also concerned about the last paragraph, which seems to be a random assortment of close paraphrases from various sources with no clear topic. Why are pyroclastic rocks defined here, and not when mentioned above? What is the use of telling us that they are classified by size and abundance, without venturing any statement about the ones at Peddapalli specifically? Why is tephra defined?--it is never discussed anywhere in the article. (It is sourced to 1 and 4 but the sentence is close paraphrase of 1 and does not really agree with 4.)
- The article is short and I don't feel 100% sure it is LLM, but these flaws are quite typical of LLM.
- M kuhner (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you see that please tag it with Template:Close paraphrasing, whether or not it was llm. CMD (talk) 22:41, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- The phrase "country rocks" refers to the rock type as exactly as mentioned in source #1. The geology section follows the structure as given in the source (initial description of the Pedappalli rocks followed later by the definition of pyroclastic rocks and the definition of tephra (which is also stated in source #4)).
- So, the problem here is the dearth of sources and that majority of the content derives from a single source (#1 INTACH). If we still want to go by tools, both GPTZero and Quillbot rate this as 100% human.
- However, I do agree with CMD that there might be some close paraphrasing given that it was derived from a single source. However, being geology, I often find it difficult to rephrase them, and I am not sure rewording might serve any purpose. I have addressed the coherence part. Anyways open to comments. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 08:51, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- If there is only one usable source, that's not enough for an article. I do sympathize with the difficulty of rephrasing technical descriptions: biologists hit that too, and there is some leeway for close paraphrase in these situations. But I really don't think there are enough sources here. Is there any possibility of finding more? Otherwise it should probably go to Articles for Deletion. M kuhner (talk) 19:35, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you see that please tag it with Template:Close paraphrasing, whether or not it was llm. CMD (talk) 22:41, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm concerned by very close paraphrase of source 1. The archiving prevents my copy-vio software from running on this source, but eyeballing shows near-identical passages of considerable length. For example: source has
User:Indinfokmr
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Communication from a chatbot in AbuseLog/42213058, doesn't seem to have stopped using AI. One particle is at AfD, I've sent another one to draft. Both were full of AISIGNS, and the article that I draftfied was created with one reference that returned 404 not. Had never been warned for AI use until today. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:01, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- looks like language-proficiency issues , I'll leave them a message Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:02, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- didn't respond and are currently editing, but they appear to have stopped using AI (eg. ). However, they've submitted the article you drafted (Draft:Kashmiri Coppersmithing) to AfC while it still has the AI tag... Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:54, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Went ahead and declined the draft at AfC. They're clearly aware of user talk pages existing because they posted User talk:Qwerfjkl § Question from Indinfokmr on Osvaldoginella gomezi (04:23, 14 September 2026) today.
- Indinfokmr, can you please respond to these concerns? ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:06, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- didn't respond and are currently editing, but they appear to have stopped using AI (eg. ). However, they've submitted the article you drafted (Draft:Kashmiri Coppersmithing) to AfC while it still has the AI tag... Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:54, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
IamMKO
[edit]IamMKO (talk · contribs), XTools
AI-sourced citations , draft declined for AI use , several AI signs in Yoruba Language Center, University of Ibadan (June 2026), seems good-faith, I've left them a message Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:18, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
LLM use by User:Mitchell2526
[edit]There are definite indications of LLM use by User:Mitchell2526. Some of this is in Draft:Timothy Cover and Neil Osheroff where there were tags showing that the refs were generated using ChatGPT (since removed). For certain Draft:Timothy Cover has several sources which are both incorrectly formatted and do not verify the statements, strongly suggesting AI hallucination. The user has denied any use of LLM at User talk:Mitchell2526.
Courtesy ping of MadelynnSienna and gurkubondinn. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- AI-sourced citations and markdown . After the warning they created Special:Permalink/1373055436 (3 Sept), I'm not seeing any signs, the prose appears human but spotchecks of refs and text-source would make certain. Ofc edits before 2 Sept need cleanup regardless Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:14, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM. Autopatrolled permission has been removed from editor's account.
Noboyo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Another case of high-volume AI editing, this time to musical articles with the usual slate of music article-specific AI indicators. Also, many hits in filter log for ChatGPT params. Not sure how far it goes back, there's no clear breakpoint in the edit history timing, but the earliest filter log hit for AI params is May 2025 so it can be assumed that all of the (many, many, many) edit since then are also ChatGPT Gnomingstuff (talk) 22:54, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
- yep, Special:AbuseLog/40858164 (May 2025) had
utm_source=chatgpt, and they triggered Special:AbuseFilter/1325 6 times between Nov 2025 and April 2026 . Creations are cleaner than your average LLM articles and music articles are tough to detect, these probably need spotchecks unfortunately Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:18, 4 September 2026 (UTC)- music articles are actually some of the easiest to detect imo, the formula is incredibly rigid and idiosyncratic Gnomingstuff (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- in what ways are they structured differently from human-written ones? I find SUPERFICIAL doesn't really stick out in stubby artistic topics Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:32, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- the album blends whatever and whatever while maintaining blah
- lyrically, the album explores themes of whatever
- reviewer 1 highlighted blah blah blah, reviewer 2 emphasized whatever
- there are other indicators but this stuff shows up over and over in AI articles and almost nowhere else; there is so much of it because at this point our music articles are primarily AI thanks to a handful of individuals Gnomingstuff (talk) 16:33, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- have you got the time to determine a start date here? I don't see any pattern changes in creation timing or activity (btw only 0.8% of their edits are to talk pages)
- Also, @Admins willing to patrol AINB: can autopatrolled be removed here please? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:07, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Autopatrol revoked. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- in what ways are they structured differently from human-written ones? I find SUPERFICIAL doesn't really stick out in stubby artistic topics Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:32, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- music articles are actually some of the easiest to detect imo, the formula is incredibly rigid and idiosyncratic Gnomingstuff (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Utkarsh Nandan Oreya
[edit]Utkarsh Nandan Oreya (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User created a number of lengthy articles (between 5,000 bytes and 22,000 bytes) in the last day, all from scratch with no additional edits, sometimes within ~10 minutes of each other. Running a couple of them through GPTZero returned an AI score of 1.0 Giulio 00:38, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- received a final warning this morning , I'll draftify yesterday's creations and leave them a message explaining things. Worth keeping an eye on Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:39, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- their response was positive but potentially AI Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:15, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
Looking at their history, it is very likely that they use LLM extensively to create articles and use AI for responses on their talk page. Dz5t 8O12 (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- they submitted Draft:Nrottam Das (poet) with minimal changes which got declined, tbf their response to that was human-written so maybe there's still hope Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:08, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Chiserc
[edit]Chiserc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Came across an article by this user while patrolling, created in a single edit in draftspace with redcats, curly qoutes, and the category Category:Pending AfC submissions in article space. Sourcing with no links to Spanish language journals led me to look at their history.
- An article created in a single edit in draftspace, with redcats and in category Category:Pending AfC submissions in article space. The links to tsarevo.info are currently dead, however at archive.org they are live as of December 2025. . The next edit on the article is by Chiserc with the edit summary "Remove unverified excessive details"
- On August 20, created 3 long articles in single edits in draftspace, again with redcats and the Pending in article space cat. These draw on Lithunian, Italian, and Estonian sources.
There's a whole run of similiar article creation this summer. Same category issues, some unusual bolding, . That one relies on English source, but these all have a pattern of citations to pages in these books and article sources, within 12 hours of writing another article. That one has the most smoking guns: a non-existant template, the pending submissions in article space category, red see also links, and the depreciated cite journal parameter "ref=harv", some of the sources are in Greek and German.—BrechtBro (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have notified Chiserc of this discussion. —BrechtBro (talk) 17:47, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello. I always follow same pattern: I create articles working offline, and then make the final single edit in draftspace. That's my style, if this is a problem, I won't do that, but I always did that and I don't see the problem here.
- Regarding folklore articles, yes, I made similar folklore articles in similar categories, since I had finally time to make them now, after a lot of research in this topic; I didn't write them one after the other, I just had time to upload them together this summer. Also, since these are very major articles, with a lot of text, it is evident that they will be fixing issues, especially in citations and formatting, and I asked help for that, with no response. These are very major articles, and I assume a crystal-clear formatting is not expected. Of course, issues with wrong templates or wrong categories will be here, but again I don't see the problem here. Depreciated parameters or non-existant templates are errors that are everywhere; actually I reversed ref=harv when I saw that is now depreciated in some cases beforehand. My focus was on text, not so much on formatting (like red links, archived that were incorrectly mentioned as lived sites, or bolding that was for importance). Also, I had a very tough time to make links to pages, so in some cases, I didn't add a lot.
- I normally verify text very carefully, with their sources, and I don't see issues here, or at least major ones. With formatting and templates, yes I always have difficult time to fix these issues, but there is no help. Lastly, Mario Jaén is a tough try to make an article for an actor, that I thought there is potential, but finally I found few sources as stub-article, and I just left it with the hope someone else will make it better. I don't see why everything is labelled, but in any case you are free to decide. Chiserc (talk) 21:55, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- Let me add some more as additional, last comment. These articles were my effort to finally make some in-depth articles; if you see, I requested a B-class rating in many of these articles (reassess), in order to finally have some good articles as a personal, let's say, trophy after many other articles. So, I pushed a lot to add sources, even much more as needed, to justify a good rating for my drafts; this justifies a lot the excessive citations in 1-2 cases mainly (Kuker is the most evident case). Also, bolding was added in some cases, since I didn't have many links to add, so yes, it may be added incorrectly for emphasis in absence of links. Lastly, other issues, especially quotations, and article space categories are errors that I always make, and especially the article space categories are always here as errors (in my last articles I finally fixed that). So, in general, what you describe is mostly my effort to push the articles to make them very detailed, after collecting and finalizing information for a set of articles in similar categories, to finally make them in B-class or finally good articles; I pushed a lot I think, with many issues (not major though, or AI) but I tried for the best.
- As a final note to add, I think that some of the articles should be at draft status, since what I asked almost always as comment was support to improve with no response, and they are just being accepted. The AI label I think is quite misleading, but I won't intervene on that, you can decide on that. I don't have time for this now to make more edits, since the sources of text are mostly here, but any help and support from others is more than appreciated. Thanks again! Chiserc (talk) 22:32, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
- A spotcheck of Chiserc's articles at wikipedia.gptzero.me all give 1.0 AI going back into December until Prishani Naidoo, David Chidester, and Rebecca Jensen-Clem which score part AI part human, but the earlier Hjallastefnan, Luise Klebs and Lee Haring are also rated at 1.0 for AI. Njálurefill which was accepted into mainspace a few days ago has a bunch of sourcing in Icelandic. User's talk is archived, but I don't see a prior AI warning. —BrechtBro (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello. I don't have any warning at all (once a rejection for a very poorly made indeed draft of Hjallastefnan that looked like AI maybe but I made it better and accepted), and actually almost all my drafts are approved via AfCs, and the most experienced reviewers. I don't use AI in any kind of writing process or formatting the drafts/articles. What I do is only beforehand, when sourcing, I use any possible tool in order to translate the text of sources I find from other languages into English, to understand them on my own, and then I write and submit in total the whole article by myself, from scratch. Yes, I had some fluctuated writing experiences throughout this process, and sometimes I had found that I may have used a style that looked like AI, in earlier stages mostly, but honestly it wasn't (Hjallastefnan was the major example on this). This may explain this score, especially since I am a non-native English speaker, and I use multiple languages as sources, as you said before correctly, to create different articles, and not on same topics for diversity. The folklore articles which are on same topic, even these ones, are from different areas in this rationale. Check for this behavior like this: https://hai.stanford.edu/news/ai-detectors-biased-against-non-native-english-writers. I hope this explains a little bit (please don't just minimize all my work, this is quite harsh and unfair). For female researchers especially I made significant effort to find under-represented or young ones, like you mentioned Prishani Naidoo, Rebecca Jensen-Clem, Luise Klebs, and many others (7 women scientists so far).
- Apart from this, for the current drafts you moved back in draft space, most of your concerns, I guess if not all, are cases of over-detailed efforts, especially White kuker of Strandzha and Cheshire soul-caking play, or even Estonian nature writing which is a more broad topic, to improve the topics with as much depth as possible (mentioned in comments I left before review in each draft). Kalogeros (folk custom) had issues of some excessive citations, especially in introduction, which I improved a lot in subsequent articles, similarly the others in some parts only, but I don't see anything as major issue, apart from that.
- I recommend keep drafts probably White kuker of Strandzha and Cheshire soul-caking play, which are the most evident efforts for over-detailed writing (excessive strings of citations, some red links, and all others you mentioned before), while I don't see issues (at least major ones) for others. It's the best I could for this concern as honest explanation. Thanks again! Chiserc (talk) 01:58, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for your quick reponse. I hope you'll understand the difficulty sometimes in determining AI content. Your point about second languages is well taken. However, I'm unconvinced, particularly as to why you would research and write a ~7500 word article and then immediately remove a third of it as unverified rather than adding sources to it. I don't mean this to be rude, but the articles also display a noticably higher level of English proficency than your comments here, which, granted, could at least in part be explained by additional diligence and editing. We'll see what other editors have to say. If I've acted in error the articles will be restored to main and I'll apologize. —BrechtBro (talk) 17:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello. Regarding all my latest, mostly folklore, articles, I mention again that I made some big edits in order to make B-class articles finally (explained before in detail hopefully, while you can also see my history for that). The one case you mentioned again, the White kuker of Strandzha, was a massive edit I made after meticulous review of months, and I removed significant parts after a second reading, that this should be ultra-excessive details; I don't mention unverified like it's not supported by sources, but mostly dubious by someone who cannot interpret them correctly will all the details, and some technical knowledge that is necessary. I mention that, because all articles are made within a layperson-level, so unverified means more sources needed to establish extremely detailed information that I removed (I said to myself don't think this is obvious, it may be unverified for others). Actually, the unverified tag is mostly excessive details tag, but I added unverified like there might be a problem of dubious (original) research with all these details. Also, there is the main Kukeri article for more details, but yes it might be an error when I mentioned unverified; most suitable is excessive details (no big problem on this aspect I guess).
- Also, regarding English proficiency, of course, when you write an article, you spend a lot of time, in my case around 2 months, to edit it like a small academic article, especially as a non-native speaker. It's obvious that a comment shouldn't be like writing an article, hopefully it's informal; because I had some experience, trying to be in the academic world, I tried to use this knowledge in writing these articles finally. Similar comments I see they are developed within the recent discussion for User:Stupor26, and much more can be said on how faulty AI detectors are, especially for non-native English people and even harder if you have some academic writing exposure on being more strict and formulistic as may need sometimes (see also: https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/). You mentioned before errors like wrong templates, but I have made close to 40 articles, and I made one-two errors in total that I copied from the Draft:Kalogeros (folk custom) a few days before. Actually, you also made 2 errors on wrong templates with much fewer articles (see your filter edits as well; you will see two unknown templates, and your first is about AI-assisted sources). My edits are as careful as possible, with formatting issues for sure, but I trigger very rarely filters. I made very big edits and I believe some errors, like all you mentioned before, are obvious and much less than expected actually. I can also say much more (like how I chose these topics, why now, and many many more), but I will wait a little bit in order to avoid over-explanations beforehand. One last for your reference is that I made specifically Draft:White kuker of Strandzha (and probably the Kalogeros draft) a little earlier than expected, and with some obvious errors as said, because 2 days before Burgas was announced as host city of Eurovision, and I rushed to publish it, instead of make it final 2-3 days later as I developed it months before, since it's a local folk custom from Burgas, and I seized the opportunity!
- Please just don't minimize all my work so far, because you already labelled many articles quite unfairly and harshly (I believe), and it has been a very tough task to create all these, with no support at all. I understand your concerns for sure, though, and thanks for your care on that! Chiserc (talk) 18:23, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just a small note on something, and as general advice: you said initially for Draft:White kuker of Strandzha that the links of a specific website are dead, tsarevo.info, as major AI sign. However, for me, they are still live, I can access them, and I remember correctly they were live a month ago - https://www.tsarevo.info/za-obshtinata/strandzhanski-obichai/obichayat-palikosh-v-strandzha/ and https://www.tsarevo.info/za-obshtinata/strandzhanski-obichai/kukerovden-v-strandzha-i-negovoto-obredno-bogatstvo/. Please just be a little more careful, since these accusations are serious, and more diligence may be necessary to label this and so many other articles beforehand. I hope my comments are helpful finally, thanks again! Chiserc (talk) 19:16, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks for pointing that out. They didn't work at the time of the post. —BrechtBro (talk) 19:01, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just a small note on something, and as general advice: you said initially for Draft:White kuker of Strandzha that the links of a specific website are dead, tsarevo.info, as major AI sign. However, for me, they are still live, I can access them, and I remember correctly they were live a month ago - https://www.tsarevo.info/za-obshtinata/strandzhanski-obichai/obichayat-palikosh-v-strandzha/ and https://www.tsarevo.info/za-obshtinata/strandzhanski-obichai/kukerovden-v-strandzha-i-negovoto-obredno-bogatstvo/. Please just be a little more careful, since these accusations are serious, and more diligence may be necessary to label this and so many other articles beforehand. I hope my comments are helpful finally, thanks again! Chiserc (talk) 19:16, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for your quick reponse. I hope you'll understand the difficulty sometimes in determining AI content. Your point about second languages is well taken. However, I'm unconvinced, particularly as to why you would research and write a ~7500 word article and then immediately remove a third of it as unverified rather than adding sources to it. I don't mean this to be rude, but the articles also display a noticably higher level of English proficency than your comments here, which, granted, could at least in part be explained by additional diligence and editing. We'll see what other editors have to say. If I've acted in error the articles will be restored to main and I'll apologize. —BrechtBro (talk) 17:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Guraleci
[edit]I think most of the pages this person has made have been AI generated. At least [[Genc Nimoni]] and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fitore_Pacolli&oldid=1372392304. Masohpotato (talk) 06:30, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Guraleci (talk · contribs), Genc Nimoni was G15'd, on 31 August they created 4 articles in the space of 20 mins, loads of WP:AIREDCAT. Haven't been warned for AI usage so I'll do that now Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:42, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've draftified the creations, will also revert edits after 31 August and leave them a message explaining things Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:52, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user is still at it: Diff/1374029974. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:15, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- final warning Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:38, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user is still at it: Diff/1374029974. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:15, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Only thing remaining is edits to Bekim Sejdiu, cleanup is done otherwise Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:56, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Genc Nimoni (9 Sept) was moved to mainspace by someone else, I've draftified it again Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:19, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've draftified the creations, will also revert edits after 31 August and leave them a message explaining things Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:52, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Voicecalls
[edit]Looks like starting on Aug 27, Voicecalls has made a series of edits (including edit summaries!) that looks AI generated extensive source summaries on contentious BLPs, court cases, allegations with some information reading like a news diary - a lil like the whole news cycle got dropped into the pot! Voicecalls said on their user talk that they used AI "to draft the wording of the edits" and that "I will also slow down. The volume was more than I could check properly." In a talk discussion, @Dekimasu suggested bring this here. NicoR8 (talk) 12:06, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am seeing this now. I had replied at the Eye-needed post my reply at the "Eye needed" discussion. I can help you guys to categorize the posts - cosmetic changes versus substantive prose. The start date is August 27 with 200 mainspace edits, 84 pages roughly 81 cosmetic.
- Only 2 new pages: one of them Perversion of Justice is a redirect. The article 2026 Maldives speedboat capsizing is a new page. All sources and citations on the new page independently verified again by me. The drafting has stopped. Voicecalls (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your cooperation! I have made a tracking page so we can check your work, because most people (including me) underestimate how difficult LLM cleanup is the first time we try. (I got handed an LLM article by Newcomer Tasks; I think it took me a month.) I omitted undos and redirects, and edits less than +/- 35 bytes. It's attached up above. M kuhner (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for setting up the tracking page.
- I am here to help to show which edits are the prose vs mechanical. Let me know if you need that list by category.
- 2026 Maldives speedboat capsizing - all sources are verified and each ones serve what it is cited for. Voicecalls (talk) 10:42, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- In the tracking page there is a button to the left of each entry. We normally mark "Unnecessary" for edits which are clearly fine (for example small copyedits), and "Ongoing" for articles which are in the process of being cleaned up or deleted. I will ask you to mark "Ongoing" for articles you have cleaned up, and I'll do a check and mark "Completed" if things look good. Thank you again! M kuhner (talk) 14:29, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Two things to particularly watch for: Recent LLMs often say things that are true and have a source in the article, but then they cite the wrong source. This is hard for a domain expert to spot because the claims look fine. They also often say that many people, sources, critics, etc. said something when really they could only find one. I haven't looked at your articles specifically for these issues but they are extremely common. M kuhner (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hey @M kuhner thanks for setting this up - the AI certainly kept busy! And thanks to Voicecalls for responding to this. I think there is another issue to watch for - Wikipedia:WEIGHT and Wikipedia:BALASP. For example, see a few diffs: Tiger, Tate, Castro. These are not simply citation issues, but individual news reports, many with detailed, blow-by-blow details. In Tiger Woods, for example, the edits includes detailed toxicology findings and plea commentary. The same pattern is seen in Tate, Castro (even charges prosecutors were still considering) edits and others. So the edits may be individually verifiable, but may still be undue and disproportionate.
- I think might be easier to presumptively revert the AI drafted edits first per Wikipedia:LLMPRV rather than waiting for cleanup editors to review each one and figure out what to keep while the live article remains available for the world to read. NicoR8 (talk) 19:48, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have fixed the BLP issue on Operation Metro Surge - charges prosecutors were considering against a living person - removed at 20:41.
- I will trim Tiger Woods and Andrew Tate - procedural detail in Woods and hearing-by-hearing in the Tate case. Woods diff spans nine revisions and only five are mine.
- The BLP fixes took under an hour. Voicecalls (talk) 20:50, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hey Voicecalls, Tiger's 9 revisions were included to show your changes collectively. The other 4 were minor edits, unrelated to your section. For Operation Metro Surge, removing that one sentence does not resolve overall issue at hand. NPOV still requires due weight and balance in context of the specific article, not simply that the sentences are sourced. That kind of article level DUE/BALASP judgment is what is missing from these AI drafted edits. They should not remain live while cleanup editors review them one by one and decide what, if anything, can be kept. It may be helpful to read the relevant policies and each article first, then decide what is actually due, and not simply whether there are allegations, court cases, or other developments that can be added because they appear in sources. NicoR8 (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Two things to particularly watch for: Recent LLMs often say things that are true and have a source in the article, but then they cite the wrong source. This is hard for a domain expert to spot because the claims look fine. They also often say that many people, sources, critics, etc. said something when really they could only find one. I haven't looked at your articles specifically for these issues but they are extremely common. M kuhner (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- In the tracking page there is a button to the left of each entry. We normally mark "Unnecessary" for edits which are clearly fine (for example small copyedits), and "Ongoing" for articles which are in the process of being cleaned up or deleted. I will ask you to mark "Ongoing" for articles you have cleaned up, and I'll do a check and mark "Completed" if things look good. Thank you again! M kuhner (talk) 14:29, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your cooperation! I have made a tracking page so we can check your work, because most people (including me) underestimate how difficult LLM cleanup is the first time we try. (I got handed an LLM article by Newcomer Tasks; I think it took me a month.) I omitted undos and redirects, and edits less than +/- 35 bytes. It's attached up above. M kuhner (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Stupor26
[edit]I believe the recent spate of aricle creations and major revisions of articles by Stupor26 are done by LLM. Every check I have done with GPTZero and Pangram confirms it. Indeed, I wrote the original War of the Keys article and so am personally confident that it is 100% human written. The tools confirm it, but the new text is at best a 50/50 mix of AI and human text (i.e., mine). This issue was raised on that talk page and on the user's talk page. S/he denies it. Srnec (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- “Confirmed” using the infinitely credible and unimpeachable AI checker tools. I’m quite confident in my history contributions, every single statement and expansive edit of which is made solidly from respected and reputable sourcing, and I’m equally confident my past history of contribution to previous pages speaks loudly enough for good faith. The only thing that’s ‘confirmed’ here is injured pride of authorship by one user against another over a major edit that demonstrably expands and colors an important article using firm sources every single step of the way. My edit verifiable built on aforementioned user’s foundations, incorporating more nuance and contextualizations from sources and scholarship used. Frankly, distaste and discouragement for this sort of bonafides expansion, especially when (again) every single point of expansion is done concretely buttressed in scholarship and respected voices throughout, makes such an article pointless otherwise. Stupor26 (talk) 17:56, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Are you using an LLM to write your article edits and discussion comments? Simple answer, please. M kuhner (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Nope. Never have, and won’t. Also never been accused of such in the history of any of my edits on previous pages I’ve contributed too. I explained why I’ve making contributing large edits over the last few days after relative account silence for a while. As mentioned there, and here, I think my bonafides have spoken for a while. I hope that’s simple enough. Stupor26 (talk) 18:18, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- I was just about to bring the article here. I think its been generated by LLM. scope_creepTalk 18:25, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- I’m sorry you think that, but I should have hoped AI would have at least made less of the formatting, grammatical and link errors than I consistently have and have to constantly go back and forth fixing and amending, as is evident in every single one of the pages in question—or frankly any contributory edits I ever make; I have no claim to being a streamlined editor in that regard. Stupor26 (talk) 18:29, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- I was just about to bring the article here. I think its been generated by LLM. scope_creepTalk 18:25, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Nope. Never have, and won’t. Also never been accused of such in the history of any of my edits on previous pages I’ve contributed too. I explained why I’ve making contributing large edits over the last few days after relative account silence for a while. As mentioned there, and here, I think my bonafides have spoken for a while. I hope that’s simple enough. Stupor26 (talk) 18:18, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Are you using an LLM to write your article edits and discussion comments? Simple answer, please. M kuhner (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- Not sure these are AI. They've been contributing articles since 2023, and this 2026 article and this 2024 article chunk read similarly and use similar phrasing, where if someone was using AI you'd expect them to read very differently. (i.e. the 2024 stuff would sound like 2024 AI, which this doesn't).
- Some anti-tells in the prose too -- specifically, running the dataset of post-5/5/26 AI text versus the dataset of pre-2022 articles tagged essay-style, this hits several of the bottom n-grams for 1, 2, 3, and 4-word phrases. Gnomingstuff (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- they've also not triggered any edit filters relevant to AI use. But idk, Special:Permalink/1373032675 (8 kb) was created in 6 minutes, Special:Permalink/1373029994 (8 kb) in 13 mins. All of their 11 creations were over the course of two days. OTOH there were no deprecated parameters in them (assuming Zack would have got to them). It'd be the first false positive I've seen from Pangram IIRC Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:26, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I’ve explained when asked on the relatively quite fast submissions, I’ve tend to do the lion share of work and *then* upload as one comprehensive edit or page creation. Also as explained, I tend to constantly go over and reedit because of mistakes or errors from the start. I’m grateful for the understanding, but I’ve explained myself and shown (I hope) the bonafides (and much more importantly why the expansions and new articles matter, and add value) at every single point. Stupor26 (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- It's just very odd for Pangram to give 100% human-written for your comments here, but 100% AI for every passage from your creations I try (except one AI-assisted) . What software are you using? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:33, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I’ve explained when asked on the relatively quite fast submissions, I’ve tend to do the lion share of work and *then* upload as one comprehensive edit or page creation. Also as explained, I tend to constantly go over and reedit because of mistakes or errors from the start. I’m grateful for the understanding, but I’ve explained myself and shown (I hope) the bonafides (and much more importantly why the expansions and new articles matter, and add value) at every single point. Stupor26 (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- they've also not triggered any edit filters relevant to AI use. But idk, Special:Permalink/1373032675 (8 kb) was created in 6 minutes, Special:Permalink/1373029994 (8 kb) in 13 mins. All of their 11 creations were over the course of two days. OTOH there were no deprecated parameters in them (assuming Zack would have got to them). It'd be the first false positive I've seen from Pangram IIRC Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:26, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
I looked at the initial created version of Battle of Florence (1248). All ISBNs check out; I can't otherwise source-check due to lack of access. Article is confusing as it uses multiple names for each faction and calls two different people "Frederick", but these can be human-expert errors.
However, the prose does show WP:AISIGNS (note that I am not using detection software). These labels incorporated older familial, political and economic rivalries rather than representing simple obedience to either emperor or pope.
is rule of three and negative parallelism, and doesn't quite click in context. Stürner likewise records the January 1248 expulsion of the rebellious papal faction from Florence by Frederick of Antioch, placing the action among the contemporary successes of the imperial party in Italy.
has the typical vague connection words and also--why say this again, it was just said? And the entire Aftermath section resembles typical LLM summing-up and straining for greater significance. I would welcome a second opinion, and/or a pointer to an article with online sources--I find it much easier to confirm or deny LLM if I have access to the sources. M kuhner (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
- What? So now "the rule of three" and "negative parallelism" are considered signs of AI use? I use both all the time. It seems to me that the AI paranoia here has gotten out of hand. At this rate I expect to be accused of being an AI agent myself. Frederick of Antioch was an illegitimate son of Frederick II, so that is not an error. The text looks fine, and the refs look fine. I've written a bit on this topic, and Stupor26's work looks excellent to me. I just added urls to the three sources cited in "Battle of Florence (1248)", and I've quoted a bit of the German text with a translation. Carlstak (talk) 01:21, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- The Fredericks are obviously not an error, but using plain "Frederick" for one of them, which the creation version does, is unhelpful to the reader when both have just been mentioned.
- Most of the WP:AISIGNS are things that humans do too. LLMs just do them more.
- I would be grateful if you could point me to an article with sources that are online, so I could do a source check; personally I don't like to rely on AISIGNS for more than screening. M kuhner (talk) 01:55, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I said, I just added urls to the three sources cited in "Battle of Florence (1248)". You can click on them, for starters. Personally, I don't rely on AISIGNS for anything, they cause trouble. I use Claude, Perplexity, and Gemini everyday as tools to find sources and assist my research—they help my WP work immensely. Carlstak (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Stürner, p. 574 is cited for both troops numbers in the infobox (alongside Grillo). I cannot see any troop numbers pertaining to Florence on the cited page. Indeed, I see only a brief sentence, but my German is poor. Srnec (talk) 04:50, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've removed the Stürner cites given for the battle because they aren't present on p. 574, and as far as I can see, anywhere in the book, with an explanation in the edit summary. As I'm sure you know, not citing specific page numbers in a paginated source is often a red flag that the source doesn't support the WP text. It's possible that the editor just lazily appended that cite to the battle info without checking it, indulging in some editorial hand-waving. Some editors deliberately try to deceive, thinking no one will bother to check, but I wouldn't care to speculate about their motives. It's possible that they used a chatbot to find sources, as I do, but didn't bother to check that everything lines up. I still don't think the whole article was AI-generated, for what it's worth. Carlstak (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Stürner, p. 574 is cited for both troops numbers in the infobox (alongside Grillo). I cannot see any troop numbers pertaining to Florence on the cited page. Indeed, I see only a brief sentence, but my German is poor. Srnec (talk) 04:50, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I said, I just added urls to the three sources cited in "Battle of Florence (1248)". You can click on them, for starters. Personally, I don't rely on AISIGNS for anything, they cause trouble. I use Claude, Perplexity, and Gemini everyday as tools to find sources and assist my research—they help my WP work immensely. Carlstak (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Boutboul
[edit]Boutboul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Blocked for LLM use, see arbitration enforcement discussion. I've PRODed his most recent articles.—BrechtBro (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Some more analysis: I see Special:Permalink/1369233808 (13 Aug) had WP:AIREDCATs but Pangram gives human-written (tbf it has high false positives) and there aren't any more obvious AI signs. Special:Permalink/1362516754 (July) also has AIREDCAT and a red-linked See also, as well as WP:AITABLE, WP:AIDASH, but no clear prose signs. Special:Permalink/1354651478 (May) has WP:AITREND (
The texts form part of the wider corpus of royal inscriptions from his reign
), WP:AIVOCAB/WP:SUPERFICIAL (reflects, emphasizes). - Special:AbuseLog/39536895 (Dec 2024) had a chatgpt-derived link, but idk how far back AI-generated content goes or whether it was used outside of creations Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:37, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm going to LLMPROD back to May for now, having difficulty determining a start date. Special:Permalink/1281791888 (March 2025) is potentially an LLM translation Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:40, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Artist&Architect
[edit]Artist&Architect (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User admitted to using LLMs to polish their work but denies using it to "generate." This article on a Philadelphia theater award has WLs to the wrong targets, including one with a parenthetical disambiguator to a game designer in Oregon. This article contains some oddly piped redlinks. User's articles on plays are extremely formulaic and a bit puffed up, particularly with how they introduce (excessive) quotaitons., along with some strange capitalization and headings. What stands out to me about the critical reception sections is that they don't logically follow the production history, they all lack the context of what production is being reviewed when they introduce the qoutes, or the section will have an introductory line about a regional production and then have three qoutes from NYC critics. This one has a blockqoute where half of it is off-topic. Signs of AITALK.
At John Molloy, a brief graf following an unsourced blockqoute is cited to this to an SF Gate obit which only supports a fraction of the claims in that graf. —BrechtBro (talk) 20:21, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- User has been warning and seems cooperative. I asked them to clarify affected articles or give a start date. M kuhner (talk) 01:35, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi BrechtBro,
- Some clarifying points here:
- Well, yes, I absolutely admit to the (conservative) use of LLMs as an editorial aid, primarily to review the syntax and grammar of text I had already written, specifically during some more recent larger-scale revisions. I have never used AI generated text, nor published AI generated claims.
- 214: AI was not used when creating either the “Barrymore Award for Outstanding Overall Production of a Play” or the “Barrymore Award for Outstanding Direction of a Play” pages. I apologize for the incorrect WLs you identified. I spent many hours researching, writing, and properly sourcing these two pages, and I can assure you that these are human errors.
- 215: As for the “oddly piped redlinks” on the A. J. Shively page, there were no redlinks when I created that page on July 14, 2026. The linked pages appear to have been subsequently deleted as part of Wikipedia's ongoing efforts to address alleged AI-generated content. I therefore do not see how those redlinks can be attributed to any alleged AI use on my part.
- 216: I have spent many hours creating pages for noteworthy American, British, and Irish plays that I love and have encountered over the years. The characterization of these pages as “formulaic” is somewhat fair, as I have deliberately tried to model their structure on pre-existing Wikipedia entries that I regarded as good examples of how articles about plays should be organized. If I was in the wrong here, I apologize.
- However, the characterization of them as “puffed up” feels both vague and mean-spirited. I'm not sure what specific passages you believe demonstrate this. In regard to the claim that the “critical reception sections don't logically follow the production history,” I was operating under the assumption that “critical reception” referred to the reception of the plays themselves rather than to individual productions. If that is contrary to Wikipedia's preferred practice, I'm more than happy to adjust my approach going forward.
- 220: For me, this is your most preposterous accusation. The conversations you reference were heated and, admittedly, somewhat emotional for me. It is my opinion that the particular editor involved has exhibited a pattern of hyper-policing and undervaluing the contributions of Black women. There is substantial evidence and discourse concerning racial and gender biases within Wikipedia's editor community and the ways in which those demographics continue to shape the site’s content. These comments were not “AISPEAK.” They were carefully considered responses that I wrote myself, in the context of a disagreement that I found personally quite frustrating. I was particularly diligent in formulating my responses, and discussed some of the more contentious points with trusted friends before posting them.
- Frankly, I also find it noteworthy that you began scrutinizing my contributions immediately following this particular dispute with another long-serving Wikipedia editor, despite not having participated in the discussion yourself. I don't want to make any unsubstantiated accusations about your motivations or relationship to said editor, but the timing is sufficiently unusual, and therefore worth addressing.
- 222: This (once again) appears to be an instance of human error on my part. The biographical details articulated in that section are substantiated across the article's other sources. My use of a single citation from the SFGate was definitely an error on my part, and I take full responsibility for that.
- In many ways, I am still finding my footing as an editor on this platform, and I have greatly appreciated the interventions of numerous senior editors who have identified some of my past errors and helped educate me about Wikipedia's best practices. Time and time again, I have tried to take that criticism in good faith and incorporate it into my contributions.
- Your intervention, however, does not feel like that to me. It feels punitive, if not vaguely targeted. Respectfully, this feels a bit like a witch hunt. Artist&Architect (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm surprised to see this given the polite interaction we had at your talk page, particularly in the light of the comment above by the other editor, and I'm sorry you feel hunted. This is routine AI cleanup work, the discussion here is to determine what, if any, cleanup is necessary. I haven't accused you of anything here, you're not being punished, some of these mistakes are certainly within the realm of human error. This wall of LLM text (whether polished or generated), however, does not inspire confidence and I suspect the comment on your talk page was the same. You are correct regarding the redlinks at the Barrymores page, I didn't look closely enough there, that's my bad. Thanks for pointing it out. I have no knowledge or interest in the dispute you mention other than from looking at your edit history. —BrechtBro (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, I was very receptive to your initial warning on my talk page. I was genuinely unaware that my editing was in violation of Wikipedia’s guidelines, and appreciated you brining this to my attention.
- However, you never responded! Next I hear from you is via a post on this thread. Forgive me if I interpreted those actions as an escalation.
- Furthermore, my above response is not the work of a LLM! I wrote it myself. What is so alarming to you? Its structure? Length? Attention to detail? Artist&Architect (talk) 21:59, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Primarily WP:AIADHERE in the comments I linked to, plus the use of em dashes and curly quotaiton marks. I do not find it alarming, but, yes, the way it is structured, both how it's broken down into sections and your sentence structure, word and punctuation choice, WP:RO3, the way AITALK in my comment became AISPEAK in yours. See WP:AITALKSIGNS. —BrechtBro (talk) 00:40, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm surprised to see this given the polite interaction we had at your talk page, particularly in the light of the comment above by the other editor, and I'm sorry you feel hunted. This is routine AI cleanup work, the discussion here is to determine what, if any, cleanup is necessary. I haven't accused you of anything here, you're not being punished, some of these mistakes are certainly within the realm of human error. This wall of LLM text (whether polished or generated), however, does not inspire confidence and I suspect the comment on your talk page was the same. You are correct regarding the redlinks at the Barrymores page, I didn't look closely enough there, that's my bad. Thanks for pointing it out. I have no knowledge or interest in the dispute you mention other than from looking at your edit history. —BrechtBro (talk) 16:59, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- At Special:Diff/1368042903 neither source 9 nor 10 mention awards nor contain the quote (though the quote is sourced down in the body where it's repeated), nor the number 5,000, which is not mentioned again in the body. Besides the WP:AIPUFFERY et al, it's got a pattern where the citations are not in the article in a logical way, and not used in the way you might expect a person to. New sources are brought in rather than reusing other sources, even when some of those sources are better. The best sources, like the NYT article, end up serving no real purpose in the article and isn't mined for content. —BrechtBro (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Source 9 is also cited as a Ben Brantley review with the headline "Hunger for Love, and Other Forms of Nourishment" but the article linked is by Gwen Orel titled "Theater Festival Presents New Voices From a New Ireland" —BrechtBro (talk) 16:37, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
User:DUBYA18
[edit]User has recently created an article that has been discussed for either draftification, or deletion.
While the article itself does not immediately seem AI, what DOES scream AI is his responses in said discussion as all of his responses appear to be AI generated with excessive detail and the typical LLM writing style Quincy Gordon (talk) 21:34, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/44842065 (August) has a chatgpt-derived link, they've also reported someone to ANI (WP:ANI#Repeated personal commentary and possible hounding by ChessEric) where they're about to get boomeranged for AI use. Creations need analysis but at a glance I do believe it Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:00, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Lightbulb Noob, utilizing GPTZero, has found that most, if not all, their major edits and creations have been made using AI. Furthermore, they created those articles with only one edit and, in the case of the 2026 Detroit tornado, believe that the article is "demonstrably notable and well-developed article", only for an established weather editor to find numerous issues with it. WP:DUCK all the way here. ChessEric 22:40, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- (WP:GPTZERO notwithstanding) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:43, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I thought Wikipedia had their own LLM detection tool but I couldn't find it. Lightbulb Noob (talk) 23:22, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- (WP:GPTZERO notwithstanding) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:43, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Lightbulb Noob, utilizing GPTZero, has found that most, if not all, their major edits and creations have been made using AI. Furthermore, they created those articles with only one edit and, in the case of the 2026 Detroit tornado, believe that the article is "demonstrably notable and well-developed article", only for an established weather editor to find numerous issues with it. WP:DUCK all the way here. ChessEric 22:40, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Danifel
[edit]Danifel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
An article by user was G15'd in January (notice, log) In following discussion, user denies errors but appears to admit LLM use. Other creations around this period display AIREDCATs, AI puffery, em dashes.
This article also was created with the parameter "work_institutions" in the infobox, in addition to AILEGACY, Source 2 doesn't say anything that ties the subject to the founding of a genetics center, the claim it purports to support. AILEGACY here and red see also links, while sourcing is in Czech, Portugese, and Slovak. —BrechtBro (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- earlier creations have clear signs (Special:Permalink/1328795646 in Dec 2025, Special:Permalink/1316878712 in Oct 2025, Special:Permalink/1312662543 in Sept 2025). Before the latter they hadn't made a creation until July 2024. I'l LLMPROD their creations from Sept 2025 onwards Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:06, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- one of them is a GA ... 444 East 58th Street Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:08, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- @BrechtBro and @Kowal2701, if the GA was indeed likely generated using AI, I would suggest opening a GA reassessment as that would mean the article should have failed the GA quickfail criteria. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've opened a review. Another case where some of the problems indicative of AI use were addressed by other editors, rather than catching the problem. —BrechtBro (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- @BrechtBro and @Kowal2701, if the GA was indeed likely generated using AI, I would suggest opening a GA reassessment as that would mean the article should have failed the GA quickfail criteria. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Callyhannah
[edit]Callyhannah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Renamed User:PrettyPony1234 (talk · contribs)
User:Callyhannah has been rapidly expanding articles in mainspace with an LLM, e.g. , and submitting LLM-generated drafts (which are being declined). Helpful Raccoon (talk) 07:48, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Callyhannah has claimed "all of the edits were done last might off line" but they are filled with obvious AI signs, especially the drafts. For example "The amount of packaging involved has also contributed to discussion about the environmental impact of beauty advent calendars and other elaborate seasonal gift sets." Helpful Raccoon (talk) 07:51, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Tangential, but Callyhannah is also doing WP:Conflict of interest editing, e.g. "Added Cally Hannah (Class of 1996)". Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:07, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- They've changed the account name to User:PrettyPony1234. EaglesFan37 (talk) 08:38, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- They have worked on at least three drafts in which they have an obvious COI; there may be more, given the subject areas they edit in. I've posted the standard COI query on their talk, but no response as yet.
- As for that "off line" explanation, I'd say it makes it, if anything, more likely that LLM was used. A new user wouldn't know the wiki markup well enough to create not just one but ~20 fully-fledged drafts offline, and although there are some online (but offwiki) tools that will help you do that, this seems to me a somewhat unlikely route. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:56, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user came into #wikipedia-en-help this morning and said
i drafted it myself and then asked my word to help with grammar [...] i am a lawyer so no i dont agree i draft for a living
but left before I could interrogate further about LLM use. qcne (talk) 08:13, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user came into #wikipedia-en-help this morning and said
- User:PrettyPony1234 has been blocked indefinitely, mostly on UPE/COI grounds, which may be lifted subject to any disclosures they wish to make. That said there is a heap of very obvious LLM updates that they have done today (i.e. after LLM concerns were raised but not answered). I am working through these contributions, reverting mostly. I'm not sure where the AIN notification went in all of this but I will add to their Talk page. ChrysGalley (talk) 11:20, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Draftified Jason Salecic. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 18:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, I was minded to draftify, but I appreciate another editor also checking this. ChrysGalley (talk) ChrysGalley (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- It was moved back to article space in Diff/1374219969, despite being tagged as
{{ai-generated}}at the time. ‑‑gurkubondinn 21:31, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Draftified Jason Salecic. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 18:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
Made a tracker. Small, hopefully tractable set of edits. M kuhner (talk) 03:31, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think we're stuck until the ANI case for The-Pope runs its course, and then the last two articles will need another source/text check. M kuhner (talk) 06:50, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Archiwee
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created the current iteration of Jayanta Bose in Diff/1371784644 (as User:Archiwee/sandbox), which doesn't look very AI-generated at that point. Some references are added in Diff/1373208139, and nr. 1 returns a 404 error. On Talk:Jayanta Bose the user has blamed the 404 not found on geo-blocking, bot-mitigation firewalls, or dynamic URL rerouting
, despite the URL never having been archived. The level of English stands in contrast to their first talk page messages in Diff/1371674119 and Diff/1371933787, which is perfectly fine but does suggest some use of LLMs to communicate.
They've also created the page as Acharya Jayanta Bose in AbuseLog/45043764, which has UTM parameters showing that it is ChatGPT that is being used. That was likely a copypaste move from draft space, there are AfC headers. This seems to have been a problem because they tried removing a G6 tag in AbuseLog/45043944 and there are multiple notices on their talk page about copypaste moves. In User talk:Archiwee § Please..., they were asked to stop copypaste moving pages and to not LOUTSOCK to remove CSD tags. In Diff/1373339217, a TA was used to remove an {{ai-generated}} tag. There are more UTM parameters from ChatGPT in AbuseLog/45044000, which looks like another copypaste move from draft space. The current iteration of the page was moved to draft space in Diff/1373315025 and then moved back shortly afterwards in Diff/1373337055. After the draftificaton, the user wanted to know which portion of the text seems machine written
in § Jayanta Bose moved to draftspace on their talk page. It is a bit hard to trace the full history of this page through the copypaste moves. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:59, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Gurkubondinn. I see your concerns about me using AI models to write the article.
- I would like to be totally transparent; being a new editor, i did take help from AI models. I used the deep-research feature of chatgpt to search for newspaper articles on the subject.I manually opened and verified the source articles before citing them, but when I copied the web links over, I didn't realize they contained utm tracking tags from the tool. Also, in my earlier drafts, I took help from AIs to polish my language, but i have stopped using AI to write any part of the article, after my article got flagged for being AI written once.
- And, i would like to address your concern about the earlier copy-pasting issue. I was actually not familiar with the move function, hence i copy-pasted my draft to the mainspace. I am extremely sorry if i have caused any nuisances or problems. I am still learning, and i only want to contribute to wikipedia. The updated article that is live now was fully written by me. I have refrained from using AIs for polishing my language after the page was flagged due to AI usage. I truly thank you for your constructive criticism. Archiwee (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you copy this response from somewhere? ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:39, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I did not! And just letting you know, i have cleared up the utm tag from the 1-2 citation urls that had them. Again, thank you for your feedback. Archiwee (talk) 11:42, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Are you absolutely sure that you didn't paste in anything? ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:52, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I really am positive, i did not use any large ai models to write my articles. As i said, i used the deep reseaech feature of chatgpt to fetch me some data and citings, but i assure you, no part of the article is AI written. Archiwee (talk) 11:55, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- So you are saying that you typed everything in the sentence
I didn't realize they contained utm tracking tags from the tool
yourself? It was not copied from anywhere? ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:59, 7 September 2026 (UTC)- Youre asking about the reply? I was actually not sure of what utm meant, so i did search it up, and copied the part, which resulted in the emojis appearing. However, the overall reply was written by me! And about the article, i really did not use any AI language. I did use grammer tools, to fix any obvious verb, preposition or tense error. Archiwee (talk) 12:06, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, those emojis showing up were because of a mistake that I made in Diff/1373697873 (and fixed in Diff/1373699670), so that doesn't make sense. I'm also not sure why you would have gotten confused because I asked if you did copy
this response
. But regardless, Diff/1373522771 and Diff/1373556030 both triggered a paste check, so something isn't adding up here. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:14, 7 September 2026 (UTC)- Oh, i see, i was also confused by the emojis. Im sorry for any confusion. I would totally avoid pasting anything from now on. I did not know pasting something triggers a paste check. And i am not doing it out of malice, i sometimes do include a sentence or two from what i search online into my responses. However, I did not use any AI model in the latest article that is currently live. I did get flagged for AI usage once in my earlier draft submissions, so i have stopped using anything but my own language, and a tool that checks for any obvious grammatical error. Archiwee (talk) 12:21, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, those emojis showing up were because of a mistake that I made in Diff/1373697873 (and fixed in Diff/1373699670), so that doesn't make sense. I'm also not sure why you would have gotten confused because I asked if you did copy
- Youre asking about the reply? I was actually not sure of what utm meant, so i did search it up, and copied the part, which resulted in the emojis appearing. However, the overall reply was written by me! And about the article, i really did not use any AI language. I did use grammer tools, to fix any obvious verb, preposition or tense error. Archiwee (talk) 12:06, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- So you are saying that you typed everything in the sentence
- I really am positive, i did not use any large ai models to write my articles. As i said, i used the deep reseaech feature of chatgpt to fetch me some data and citings, but i assure you, no part of the article is AI written. Archiwee (talk) 11:55, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Are you absolutely sure that you didn't paste in anything? ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:52, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I did not! And just letting you know, i have cleared up the utm tag from the 1-2 citation urls that had them. Again, thank you for your feedback. Archiwee (talk) 11:42, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you copy this response from somewhere? ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:39, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I wanted to address your concern about my usage of the terms “geo blocking”, et cetera. I searched online what might have caused the editors to not being able to access the citations, and i learnt that many links use geo blockers, firewalls, etc. Thats why i used the terms. Thank you! Archiwee (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Aakib.0000
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
New user, but prolific in some sports articles with multiple large and rapid-fire edits. There are markdown code blocks in AbuseLog/45061175 and AbuseLog/45061319 as well as the byte-sequence described in WP:AISIGNS § turn0search0. Created the 2026 Saudi Super Cup article, added a reference with a ... placeholder for the URL in Diff/1371064909 and a reference that leads to a 404 in Diff/1371065296 (produced in one minute). There's possibly more AI-editing in the same article, because a different user showed up and added a red category in Diff/1371190772 (two of them are red now, but one seems to have existed at the time). Also created Al-Ittihad Club (Saudi Arabia) in Diff/1371060246 (AbuseLog/44951560), before then doubling it in size in Diff/1371061227. The page was turned into a redirect by @Reconrabbit in Diff/1371262713 the next day. I've looked into this user before, but I don't remember it was that I saw that caused me to do that. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:27, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think any AI was involved in the creation of Al-Ittihad Club, its content was copied from the current redirect target. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 13:19, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- You're right, the text in Diff/1371061227 also seems to be from the redirect target, which Aakib does not seem to have edited. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:28, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Kent Wang
[edit]This issue is currently under review.
Pasted a chatbot block in Diff/1373672821. Says in User talk:Kent Wang § September 2026 on their talk page that they use LLMs to generate the wikitext
, and now wants a third opinion on if they are exempt from the NOLLM guideline. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:25, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- The block I pasted is all photos and captions. I look forward to other opinions on this. Kent Wang (talk) 14:21, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- WP:NOLLM does not make an exception for captions. Have you used LLMs on other articles? M kuhner (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Can you look at the Diff/1373672821 and tell me if any of the captions are bad? Or any of it is bad?
- I personally human-reviewed all captions. This is covered in the WP:NOLLM exception "Editors are permitted to use LLMs to suggest corrections to their own writing, and to incorporate them after human review." Kent Wang (talk) 15:51, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, again, that is
limited to spelling, punctuation, capitalisation, grammar
. I've already told you this, and it plainly says so on the guideline's page. There are no carveouts for captions or togenerate wikitext
. Have you been using an LLM for anything else? ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:05, 7 September 2026 (UTC)- Would you be happy if I made the change again but without the captions?
- > Have you been using an LLM for anything else?
- I have replied to that below. Kent Wang (talk) 16:48, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, again, that is
- Yes, I used LLM to generate the wikitext and proof my edits on another page Igreja da Madalena Special:Diff/1373712248/1373712902. Please review the diff and tell me what you think. Kent Wang (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- That is an edit I personally would mark "unnecessary" in a tracker as there is no substantive text in it. My concern is that you may have used LLMs, perhaps not deliberately, in cases where they would introduce substantive text. They tend to go beyond the limits of what they are asked for quite frequently; anything that touches a citation is dangerous as they do thinks like "helpfully" add ISBNs, DOIs, etc that are not correct. M kuhner (talk) 16:12, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm well aware of that and never use LLM for substantive text. Kent Wang (talk) 16:46, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- That is an edit I personally would mark "unnecessary" in a tracker as there is no substantive text in it. My concern is that you may have used LLMs, perhaps not deliberately, in cases where they would introduce substantive text. They tend to go beyond the limits of what they are asked for quite frequently; anything that touches a citation is dangerous as they do thinks like "helpfully" add ISBNs, DOIs, etc that are not correct. M kuhner (talk) 16:12, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- WP:NOLLM does not make an exception for captions. Have you used LLMs on other articles? M kuhner (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
User: FeedMeGrapes
[edit]User:FeedMeGrapes seems to be an autonomous AI agent, which has edited and rewritten multiple articles: Special:Contributions/FeedMeGrapes. All of the edits seem to be written by AI, because of the distinct style and short periods of time for huge changes
Some examples:
Special:Diff/1373451348 — +9,980 bytes to Atomicity (database systems) in a single edit, described as a comprehensive rewrite covering history, recovery mechanisms, distributed atomicity and implementations.
Special:Diff/1373489889 — +9,462 bytes to Data mapping in a single edit at 06:40 on 6 September.
Special:Diff/1373491390 — only 20 minutes later, at 07:00, creation of Draft:R2RML with +11,827 bytes. This means over 21,000 bytes of substantial technical prose across two different topics in 20 minutes.
The submission R2RML was also independently declined by a reviewer who stated: "This draft appears to contain text generated by a large language model" Keschler (talk) 14:00, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you have evidence that they are an autonomous bot? This seems quite rare; usually it's a human cutting and pasting text to and from the LLM. (Not that that's better, but next steps are different if we think it's an actual bot.) M kuhner (talk) 14:38, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Don't have concrete evidence. For me it was the generic name + These two contributions. I could definitely be wrong. Keschler (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi guys, I'm definatly not an autonomous agent, I don't know how one goes about doing human verification here, although I'm based in USA, so I can always jump on facetime with anyone and prove that lol
- Those two edits across 20 minutes were because I make the edits locally up ahead while I have spare time at work (I'm a DBA and data engineer for over 15 years and tend to have a lot of down time) and then I update the articles on wikipedia when I'm at home. You can see my pattern of uploads pretty much falls on weekends, when I'm bored at home.
- I've been donating to Wikipedia for years and I read recently that the amount of contributors has gone down in the last year, and I checked and the Database wikiproject is inactive, so I decided I would help out in my own field that I'm passionate about.
- I have definatly been using LLMs to help clean up some of my writing, as well as to help find additional sources that I can't find on my own..if that's not allowed I will stop. But even in the cases where I have AI assistance, I'm checking all sources and all the underlying writing is my own and its all double/triple checked. I just wanted to help out in my particular field of expertise.
- Anyway, happy to continue this discussion and learn best practices from anyone who is willing to guide me here :) FeedMeGrapes (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm reviewing Atomicity. Review is far from complete, but so far I haven't found the typical LLM source/text inconsistencies or other issues.
- I suggest being extremely wary of LLM clean-up of your text. It can easily introduce LLM "smells" and, worse, nasty little inaccuracies like ISBNs, DOIs, or wikilinks that point to the wrong place. Vagueness and puffery are also issues. Your plain English will be just fine.
- I don't see any evidence to suppose you are a bot. That's actually very rare. A person with a bot, alas, is behind probably 90% of all big single-edit article creations we see recently, so we have to verify by looking in detail. I'll post back here when done. (In the meantime I'll say, I'm enjoying the article, which is a rare treat in cleanup.) M kuhner (talk) 20:25, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- "Your plain English will be just fine." - Noted. I'm pretty self-conscious in that regard, but I'll do that going forward.
- "In the meantime I'll say, I'm enjoying the article, which is a rare treat in cleanup." - Thank you, I try to make an effort to add as much history, examples and popular implementations as possible to make topics more interesting, as I find that's what helps me when learning or reading up on a topic. FeedMeGrapes (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- @FeedMeGrapes, thanks for understanding and adjusting. Dw31415 (talk) 02:30, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I just reverted that article, the previous edit to it (Fabrice31) was also one in a series of AI edits Gnomingstuff (talk) 04:52, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Don't have concrete evidence. For me it was the generic name + These two contributions. I could definitely be wrong. Keschler (talk) 15:03, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- cleanup is done, except for Automatic parallelization, ACID, and Data mapping which are tagged (Prediction by partial matching I've inline-tagged) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:09, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
User:AkaneNel
[edit]AkaneNel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This article has AILEGACY, REDCATS, and a AI 1.0 from gptzero. The hip injury is a thing that happened, but it isn't mentioned in the cited source for that, and there's that a legacy claim about the NYT, LAT, and Variety, while only citing two of the three. Extrapolated from a photogragh of the subject is the claim that, His photographic records are held within the New York Public Library's Digital Collections.
Perhaps an AITABLE Special:diff/1356965252 here. AILEGACY, more redcats. AILEGACY and a rather impressive amount of offline sources, almost all of them used only a single time. There's a change in the pattern of edits when creating articles in November 2025, going from multi-step to single edit. —BrechtBro (talk) 05:07, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- They've been adding lots of deprecated infobox parameters as well. Haven't been warned for LLM use until now
- BeauSuzanne (talk · contribs) is potentially another account according to Special:Diff/1303209109, and what d'ya know, they appear to be using AI: Special:AbuseLog/42661223. The EIA seems to be above-board , but courtesy ping @S0091 anyway Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:17, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. The reason I left that note was because they were confirmed to each other several years ago and the CU left a sock note but neither responded. BeauSuzanne was mentioned by a filer in a later SPI so I left the note again to see if I could get a response. They both denied having other accounts and as you can see in the EIA, they rarely cross each other. S0091 (talk) 14:38, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I tagged the unreviewed articles in the NPP backlog by AkaneNel with the AI template, with links to this discussion. AkaneNel has begun editing the articles and removing the templates but have yet to respond about LLM usage at their talk page (or here). —BrechtBro (talk) 01:59, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- @AkaneNel, please could you respond here? I see you've been rewriting some of the articles that were tagged, if you want we can make a tracking page (like Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-11 PrettyPony1234) to make things easier? Just some advice about AI cleanup: The biggest issue with LLM use is hallucinations (i.e. WP:V failures), though there are other important issues like WP:NPOV/WP:WTW and WP:COPYVIO. Usually we recommend that people stubbify or rewrite LLM-generated articles from scratch since it's often very time-consuming to attempt to preserve such content, but it's up to you. Of course deletion is also an option (WP:LLMPROD). Thanks, Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:22, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello Kowal2701. I apologize for the late response. I haven’t used AI but only for translations. And it’s alright I will rewrite it. I will be careful not to do LLM. I had seen some articles you like Clark Gable and Bette Davis so I was trying it in that style but I understand and I will stop with the LLM issue. Once again I apologize for it.(AkaneNel (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2026 (UTC))
- @AkaneNel, none of the articles discussed above appear to be translations? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:28, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello Kowal2701. I didn't meant the English I mean the French and Korean for it I use translation. I also go on different languages wikipedias find some information. No the articles are not from translations.(AkaneNel (talk) 18:37, 13 September 2026 (UTC))
- @AkaneNel, none of the articles discussed above appear to be translations? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:28, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- noting Talk:Mickey Squires#WP:V Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:19, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello Kowal2701. I apologize for the late response. I haven’t used AI but only for translations. And it’s alright I will rewrite it. I will be careful not to do LLM. I had seen some articles you like Clark Gable and Bette Davis so I was trying it in that style but I understand and I will stop with the LLM issue. Once again I apologize for it.(AkaneNel (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2026 (UTC))
The Sergei
[edit]The Sergei (talk · contribs), XTools
Warned for AI use August 2025, copyvio Feb 2026, warned May 2026. Special:AbuseLog/40962963 (June 2025) had a chatgpt-derived link (lots more after this), Special:AbuseLog/43638743 (March 2026) triggered Special:AbuseFilter/1325. Special:Permalink/1360752330 (June 2026) had AIREDCAT but it's a list so no other signs (they're mostly lists). Notified them of this thread. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:43, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1371653300 was translated from hewiki, not sure they speak Hebrew. Special:Permalink/1365632763 (July 2026) used a non-existent cite template, Special:Diff/1365434113 (same month) was made in 6 minutes on mobile Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:50, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- 1) June 2025: If there were links from chatgpt.com at the end, I was told in August User talk:The Sergei#Ways to improve List of international prime ministerial trips made by Kristrún Frostadóttir that they should be removed to make sure that the site is not created by Chatgpt itself.
- 2) August 2025: About Dick Schoof's trips to the Caribbean parts of the Netherlands, I didn't know that sources might not be permitted, but government sources, for example, might be permitted, I don't remember which sources I used. StevoLaker told me in August 2025 that "You can put just about any information on a Wikipedia page so long as it is anbout the topic and is referenced by a reliable source (almost any news or government source)."
- 3) February 2026: About text from Petteri Orpo visits, the sources belong to the Finnish government (I might be wrong, and not all of them are like that), and as far as I know, you can use government ones, + their images can be uploaded from Flickr (Not all, but some images uploaded about his trips), although this does not apply to Wikipedia.
- 4) May 2026: Regarding Japan's attitude toward the ICC arrest warrant against Israel, I can say that I could have asked for AI somewhere. Well, if it does not match the title nor the quote, then I should have checked what was written and copied the existing text.
- 5) July 2026: About "List of international prime ministerial trips made by Janez Janša," I translated his page from Slovenian to English. If you're talking about the source that explains why there are few visits due to the pandemic, I see that there was no source at first, then I added one, although I don't remember what it was. The Sergei (talk) 14:46, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
You can put just about any information on a Wikipedia page so long as it is anbout the topic and is referenced by a reliable source (almost any news or government source).
- Sadly, the advice you received is incorrect (and significantly so). The policies WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:DUE dictate what can and cannot be added. You cannot in fact just add anything that's backed up by any news or government source, never mind that some such sources can be considered generally unreliable or marginally reliable. We don't add minutiae just because it was mentioned in the news, for example, per WP:NOTNEWS. Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt) (talk) 03:18, 9 September 2026 (UTC)- It looks like you were actually told in User talk:The Sergei#c-Lova Falk-20250817124500-Thank you and... to use Citer in order to format citations properly, and also to find out whether ChatGPT had invented websites that didn’t exist. Removing the utm_source part of the url doesn’t change whether the url points to a valid page or not. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:01, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- It remains unclear to me whether your claim is that you have used LLMs or not in the course of your editing. Fermiboson (talk) 10:15, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I translated pages, some from their language, or from another. This concerns relations between countries and the list of trips made by someone. The Sergei (talk) 10:45, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you speak all the languages you translated from? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:58, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, I don't The Sergei (talk) 19:28, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- @The Sergei, sorry but that isn't allowed, translations have to strictly follow WP:LLMTRANSLATE Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:32, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, I don't The Sergei (talk) 19:28, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you speak all the languages you translated from? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:58, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I translated pages, some from their language, or from another. This concerns relations between countries and the list of trips made by someone. The Sergei (talk) 10:45, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
I looked through the editor's prolific history back to 2024. There is admitted LLM use June 4 2025 (only for searching, editor says). There are unacknowledged translations, for example one in October 2025 where infobox parameters are in Spanish. Editor occasionally responds to complaints but always sounds bewildered; there is little sign that they change their very fixed editing style in response. Sourcing is a major issue: I found a claim sourced to a user-supplied caption on a photo marketing site, several to Twitter, and a great many not sourced at all. This is true throughout the entire time period. Copyvio has been a recurring issue. There is also a bad habit of putting articles in mainspace which are clearly not ready, for example one Aug 1 2025 which has "TBA" in most of its table fields.
On the other hand, that edit was presumably not full LLM. I suspect the text is a mixture of LLM and human, and has been since mid-2025 at least.
Early on their edits were challenged more by other editors, but the articles on which they came to focus have few watchers: they are lists of government-head visits to different countries. There was an AfD on one list article where it was clear they felt very strongly about this work, but not necessarily in an encyclopediac way (i.e. "why does the reader need this?" was not in their priority list). They got a fair amount of support on this view--it's the Great List Debate--and the article was not deleted.
I am honestly not sure what to do here. The Talk page does not suggest that warnings and discussion are very helpful. M kuhner (talk) 18:06, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
Davvike
[edit]Davvike (talk · contribs), XTools
This user had two rejected attempts at AfC before bypassing that and putting Mayfair House, London straight in mainspace. No Swan So Fine thought the article might have been AI generated and cleaned it up, as have I. For the record I don't support deletion of the article (at least not without an AfD first) as London buildings have a tendency to be extensively documented in book sources, particularly if they're listed.
The user has quite a few other contributions; artefacts such as a <nowiki> tag in source definitions, and a complete absence of any human communication bar a few terse edit summaries, make me suspect there is the potential for AI to be going on here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:24, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes! I just assumed they'd been asked to write the article for a property developer. It did throw me as it was the first time I'd really considered that AI would change everything here - and I beat my boat borne back ceaselessly into the past etc. Building is in an unbelievable site but does totter on the edges of notability. Can't believe its not listed. No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:46, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- edited past the notice and warning to make Special:Diff/1374340749 which triggered Paste Check, final warning ig Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:36, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- look at how many accounts at John Stanley (British Army officer) have triggered Paste Check and only edited a few of the same pages. @Ritchie333, thoughts on doing an SPI? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:24, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- some more at Portrait of Philip Gell Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:29, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dear All, I am sorry to disappoint but I am NOT AI. I am very much blood and flesh!😀 I would be most grateful if you could please remove this slight against my good (Userid) name-Thank you! Davvike (talk) 05:39, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dear All, I am sorry to disappoint but I am NOT AI. I am very much blood and flesh!😀 I would be most grateful if you could please remove this slight against my good (Userid) Davvike-Thank you! Davvike (talk) 05:41, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- "I am very much blood and flesh!" If you don't know appropriate English idioms you may prefer to edit a Wikipedia in your native language instead. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:47, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dear Richie Rich,
- Thank you for the courteous reply.
- Since you all are 100% sure that I’m AI, you should know that my native language is Sanskrit 😏
- Perhaps you should first check your own edits.
- Regarding Mayfair House, you wrote:
- In 2007, Eric Parry redeveloped the property and Lady Helen Taylor for their new Timothy Taylor Art Gallery.
- Eric Parry is an architect. As far as I know he did not redevelop Lady Helen Taylor!
- It should read:
- In 2007, Eric Parry redeveloped the property for Timothy Taylor and Lady Helen Taylor’s new Timothy Taylor Art Gallery.
- What is YOUR native language Richie Rich? Mediocrity?
- Perhaps you deliberately wrote it this way so it wouldn't look 'too AI' and -heaven forbid- be deleted by your own crack squad?! Nope, that can't be it- too clever for Richie Rich! 👿 🤡🥴🫣 🫠 🙄🤷♂️ 🤡 🤦😈
- (Btw many apologies if anyone finds anything wrong with the above message-pls remember that the Wiki A(I)?-team has officially designated this scribe AI✍🏻) Davvike (talk) 10:46, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well you could have fixed that easily (I've fixed it now) but now you can't because you're blocked. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:17, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- "I am very much blood and flesh!" If you don't know appropriate English idioms you may prefer to edit a Wikipedia in your native language instead. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:47, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
We don't yet have consensus for cleanup but I am making a tracker to conveniently examine articles. M kuhner (talk) 05:32, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am not sure how useful this observation is, but every edit I checked past the two articles already discussed was made to insert Mayfair House into articles, often with a picture. I can say nothing about LLM in these edits as there are no citations and not enough text. They are uncited and sometimes appear UNDUE, though. M kuhner (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Wolf july
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Newer user, but has created a few articles. The latest article is Titanic (video game), which was created after having been pasted with a chatbot block in AbuseLog/45064544. Despite meeting the G15 criteria, the CSD was declined so I've sent it to AfD instead, where I believe the user has commented with some WP:AITALK in Diff/1373890037 claiming that Wikipedia does not establish a clear, mechanical threshold whereby such formatting elements alone prove that an entire article was AI-generated
. I also find it odd to say that sources and content of this article can be independently verified
without mentioning that another user has said in User talk:Wolf july § September 2026 that they did verify the sources, because I find that a strange thing for a person to just gloss over and not mention at all. The user has also confirmed some use of AI on Wikipedia, but I think that their edits need to be looked at closer. Haven't seen any other AITALK from them. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:48, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- For what it is worth, Pangram classifies the AfD comment as being AI-generated (which should of course be taken with the usual grain of salt). ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:51, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- And Corneliu Drăgan-Târgoviște was created in Diff/1367002209 (AbuseLog/44773422) with a red category (the infobox image was deleted from commons later). ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:02, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Here i don t understand what happened. I uploaded the picture of the artist and i forward the email with the required form...but the picture disaperead..it was erased.And it was pretty hard for me to obtain it since the artist is very hard to reach. Maybe you can help me to underastand..thank you..) Wolf july (talk) 16:48, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am finding that it is more likely than not that most of this editor's contributions are either partially or totally concieved using AI. I marked one section of Hysteria (video game) as "failed verification" because Crash does not call the gameplay "repetitive" (also, there are 3 named reviewers in the linked article). I'd appreciate if Wolf july was forthcoming about whether they've used AI for anything besides "correcting grammar". Regarding Titanic (video game), I've already said what I have to say about that on the AfD page. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 16:10, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I read the same review and there's one more source verification issue there, only one of the reviewers "praised the graphics", but the article implies that the review as a whole did. ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:21, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- i used the crash source for the overall score. it is written down 78%. i can move at the begining of the frase, after the score - but the source is valid . :) Wolf july (talk) 16:35, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don t intend to comment too much on this topic...my answer come after 4 minutes... I did not had time to check that was an answer...if you check you ll see are 4 minutes between the comments...The rules adopted in March 2026 as i understood forbides the using of LLM to generate or rewrite the texts! There are exceptions for minor copyedits on the texts without introducing new content! Me - i research and write my articles myself. I already explain my case. I think my editing history and the sources used in my articles can be independently reviewed. Anyway...i must admit, however, that there is a certain irony in suspecting someone of using AI and then using an AI detector as additional evidence for that suspicion. :)...something like...aa..you are using ai...i checked on y with ai...:))...i found it very funny...:)..also on the other hand i am open to any advice! Wolf july (talk) 16:39, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, your replies here basically confirm the AITALK on their own. The English idiom "take it with a grain of salt" means that something may be incorrect and should be viewed with a degree of skepticism. ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:45, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- the content in Special:Permalink/1374056558 cited to ref #1 appears human-written and checks out, but appears to be WP:CLOP, I'll leave a comment on their talk Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:40, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- How many ways can you write that a game was published by a company in a given year? -- Reconrabbit (talk) 21:01, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- that falls under WP:LIMITED Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:03, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- How many ways can you write that a game was published by a company in a given year? -- Reconrabbit (talk) 21:01, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- the content in Special:Permalink/1374056558 cited to ref #1 appears human-written and checks out, but appears to be WP:CLOP, I'll leave a comment on their talk Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:40, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, your replies here basically confirm the AITALK on their own. The English idiom "take it with a grain of salt" means that something may be incorrect and should be viewed with a degree of skepticism. ‑‑gurkubondinn 16:45, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
Jbaird FEA (talk · contribs)
Enormous amount of edits with various AI indicators, including at least one Markdown instance in filter log, and marked difference between their general writing style and their grammatically mangled comment of False and unbased acquisition of AI
. The bulk of it probably should just be reverted.
Suspect something like Claude here as opposed to ChatGPT Gnomingstuff (talk) 17:49, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah that's pretty blatant. Reverting, will get down to source text discreptancies in an hour or two. Fermiboson (talk) 09:43, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- jeez, see Special:Permalink/1316013361 (Oct 2025). LLMPRODing Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:39, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
Aguahrz
[edit]Aguahrz (talk · contribs), XTools, SPI
Editor who got blocked for several major issues, has an unblock appeal at AN where they've admitted to and apologised for their prior LLM use ( ..the truth is I used an LLM in virtually every single edit I made...
), I've supported an unblock but cleanup is still necessary. I'm going to tag a few creations (incl. from socks) rather than LLMPROD and see if they want to rewrite any if unblocked. Might create a tracking page, who knows Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:10, 8 September 2026 (UTC)
- Kowal2701; just an FYI, as I saw your notice on the Mount Kenya region article... this article, interestingly, was being heavily-edited by one @MTLNORG, who is currently sanctioned for extensive LLM-use. I did re-write some of that article aince Aguahrz was involved with it, but regardless, I'm wondering if these two accounts aren't related? Perhaps we can ask them directly, since they have seemingly admitted to using multiple accounts. — MWFwiki (talk) 20:29, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, MTLNORG was in a heated dispute w one of Aguahrz's socks , so unlikely to be related imo. Some articles get no luck Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:44, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Oh, duh. I'm on that Talk page (though not that section) and I thought Ag's name looked familiar. Though I also wouldn't put it past someone to argue with their own sock to assure people that they aren't associated... though, in this case, I think they are indeed separate editors. Bizarre that they were picking on that article, though. Indeed, a third editor on that Talk page was sanctioned for socking, as well. Odd. — MWFwiki (talk) 19:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Unfortunately 60% of the article comes from that sock: xtools:authorship/en.wikipedia.org/Mount Kenya region/.
- That would be WP:DUMBSOCK behaviour, so not out of the question in general. ‑‑gurkubondinn 21:03, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Oh, duh. I'm on that Talk page (though not that section) and I thought Ag's name looked familiar. Though I also wouldn't put it past someone to argue with their own sock to assure people that they aren't associated... though, in this case, I think they are indeed separate editors. Bizarre that they were picking on that article, though. Indeed, a third editor on that Talk page was sanctioned for socking, as well. Odd. — MWFwiki (talk) 19:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, MTLNORG was in a heated dispute w one of Aguahrz's socks , so unlikely to be related imo. Some articles get no luck Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:44, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- noting User talk:Aguahrz#AINB Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:28, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Hope4movies
[edit]This matter has been resolved; no further action is required.
Hope4movies (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User created eight articles, seven of which I detected as being potentially AI-generated after reading through and checking each one, subsequently tagging them all.
Any thoughts? The exception is Pigeons (2026 film), which I was not as confident about, but have now tagged for good measure. User is now saying on talk pages User talk:Asilvering § Question from Hope4movies (01:21, 9 September 2026) that they use LLMs for copyediting/phrasing while drafting
and want a way to "handle it". Ignoring the fact that their explanation itself was AI-generated, I'd appreciate an investigation into their creations. Thank you. Οἶδα (talk) 02:16, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am glad this has been brought up here. I believe asking for advice from my designated mentor was not a bad thing. As a new editor, I did not know the proper process to follow and needed guidance on what to do right.
- What I noticed is that the editor who added all these AI tags had a period of inactivity, then came back online and tagged six articles in nine minutes intervals, based on the timestamps I checked in their contribution log. I definitely doubt that it is possible they reviewed all the articles and lengthy sources there in within the period they applied the tags. The editor also mentioned a discussion was ongoing about a tag they placed, but it appears they just opened one now, which makes me question the credibility of their judgement.
- I am happy for someone else to review the pages and judge whether they deserve the tags that were placed. I stand by having verified everything myself, and I am open to learning, but I do not think any effort was made before the tags were just applied.
- Lastly, I maintain that I did use AI in copyediting and drafting. Not only did I mention this to my mentor, but I did so in the talk pages where all tags were applied. I had no idea this was against policy and apologise for that.
- Thank you. Hope4movies (talk) 02:49, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
What I noticed is that the editor who added all these AI tags had a period of inactivity, then came back online and tagged six articles in nine minutes intervals, based on the timestamps I checked in their contribution log. I definitely doubt that it is possible they reviewed all the articles and lengthy sources there in within the period they applied the tags.
- Nice try, Columbo. I became aware of your creations after being notified of a link from Logical Pictures Group. Reading that article, I then noticed WP:AISIGNS and decided to peek into your editing history and moved on to your other creations. I spent far more than 9 minutes going through all your articles. But according to you
Time stamps prove everything.
That's a smoking gun to you. As I said at Talk:Thomas_Bonaventure_Lawler#AI-generated_tag: ah yes, the timestamp that proves what I was doing before the timestamp. Fascinating stuff, Hope4movies. designated mentor
- I'm not sure what you're referring to by calling that user your mentor. I don't see anything suggesting you ever conversed with them before now.
The editor also mentioned a discussion was ongoing about a tag they placed, but it appears they just opened one now, which makes me question the credibility of their judgement.
- I'm assuming you are referring to my restoring of an AI maintenance template in which I stated "Do not remove maintenance templates. the case is not closed." "Case"=/="Discussion" The purpose of the template is to elicit review. You don't get to decide when that has been remedied. But heavens, I guess that means my credibility is down the tubes! Welp. Or, maybe, we could just drop the unproductive speculation and focus on the topic at hand? Cool. Οἶδα (talk) 04:00, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Οἶδα, no comment on the AI case, but just to note that Asilvering is Hope4movies's mentor, so I think you could be a little less prickly and suspicious about that, and maybe take a look at Wikipedia:Mentorship to find out more about it. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 05:39, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think I was being prickly about that. I was simply expressing that I could find no context for that, especially because they specifically framed their response around it. Automatic mentorship is news to me. Probably because that program apparently only just rolled out last year and I am not active in that area. I think you got that impression with that part of my message being in the middle of two otherwise prickly comments. I meant it pretty literally. Either way, not at all important. I merely brought the user talk message up in the OP to offer context. I could have mentioned any of the seven article talk pages they posted on where they similarly mentioned using AI tools for copyediting and phrasing but I used the Asilvering's talk page message because it was their most recent posting and included their appeal for a way to "handle" it all. In no way did I ever claim or intend to claim that their message to their Asilvering (or anyone else for that matter) was "a bad thing". Either way this is a lot of text to spend not focusing on their article creations so what are we even doing getting into all this high school stuff. Οἶδα (talk) 06:38, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- "Nice try, Columbo"? Pretty telling about the human behind the ID in a public forum. I would not engage with you any further. Hope4movies (talk) 10:08, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Let's be very clear about what you said about me. You made a baseless and rather callous inference from the timestamps in my contribution history, asserting that I could not possibly have reviewed the articles and their sources before tagging. That is not what the timestamps show. They show when I applied the tags, not when I began or finished going through all of the articles. So yes, "Nice try, Columbo" because if you're going to accuse someone of acting improperly and back it up with your supposed investigation of my record, you should at least make sure your evidence actually supports the accusation. Οἶδα (talk) 16:56, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Οἶδα, no comment on the AI case, but just to note that Asilvering is Hope4movies's mentor, so I think you could be a little less prickly and suspicious about that, and maybe take a look at Wikipedia:Mentorship to find out more about it. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 05:39, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- If it's clear that an article has been written with an LLM, it's not necessary to review its sources. I'm not sure what reviewing the sources would bring in such a case. (NB: I am not commenting on the articles in question, which I have not read, but generally.) Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 06:34, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- After thinking a bit more, I wanted to clarify this: source-text disagreement is one strong sign of AI-generated articles, but it's not the only one. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 06:46, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Exactly. I did not tag the articles as being unverifiable. I tagged them as AI-generated. Because my spidey senses told me that the primary author of the new articles was AI. Οἶδα (talk) 06:47, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Hope4movies As you have confirmed that you used AI in drafting the articles, the solution is for you to delete the parts of the articles that were drafted this way and rewrite them in your own words. Someone else could also do that—but it would be better if it's you, as you will know for sure which parts were written using AI and which (if any) were not. If one of the volunteers here edits them to get rid of the LLM text, they'll have to do a lot of guesswork and might end up deleting a lot more text than strictly necessary, to be sure.
- This probably sounds discouraging, I'm sorry, but there isn't really another way around it. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Hope4movies - would you like me / us to move those articles over to draft status so that you can repair them at your convenience? Strictly speaking that could happen anyway: They are pretty obviously LLM generated, at least the first three that I checked. Once fixed then they can go back to main space, or if you prefer they can go via the AFC process for a second set of eyes. ChrysGalley (talk) 08:01, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello @Suðurhafsljósæta, hello @ChrysGalley, I appreciate you both weighing in.
- According to Help:Maintenance_template_removal, an LLM flags an article as needing extensive examination because it appears (to the editor who tagged it) to have been generated using an AI system without rigorous human scrutiny.
- My claim has never been that I did not use AI, but that all entries were scrutinised by me against the sources. The tagging editor relied on their own judgment to believe that I did not scrutinise the entries, which I did. Even when I reviewed one of the pages they tagged and reverted the tag, leaving them a message forthwith, they subsequently reverted the tag with no explanation or reply to my message. I do not believe new editors are supposed to be subservient. It is indeed too discouraging to see such tags on all the articles I spent hours researching and drafting, without sound judgment behind them.
- I would have preferred if the articles could be properly checked and edited by another editor. However, I am happy if you both believe they should be moved to the draft section to allow me to delete the AI-drafted parts and rewrite them in my own words. If it is not too much to ask, I would like to check with either or both of you regarding your opinions on my review across all the articles.
- Thank you. Hope4movies (talk) 10:22, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Personally I think putting all of the listed items into draft status is a good idea, and indeed another editor may decide to do it anyway. LLM is banned, there is nothing optional about that, and it really shouldn't be in draft space either. Whether it is scrutinised or not is irrelevant: you must not use LLM. So going to draft status to allow you to resolve the very obvious use of LLM is a pragmatic way to handle it, given the alternatives are somewhat drastic. It would be good if you could confirm you will stick to policies and guidelines in the future, one guideline being WP:NOLLM. ChrysGalley (talk) 10:31, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Point duly noted. I have read the suggested article. Thank you. Hope4movies (talk) 11:07, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Hope4movies, WP:NOLLM is quite clear here:
The use of large language models (LLMs) to generate or rewrite article content is prohibited except for the uses as outlined below.
(Footnotes removed.) The two very narrow exceptions are for WP:Basic copyediting suggestions and for translations; neither applies here. Whether or not you scrutinised the articles against the sources makes no difference. - We don't require you to be subservient, but you do need to follow the WP:Policies and guidelines, including WP:NOLLM.
- Thank you for being honest about having used AI for drafting the articles. That's actually rather refreshing. I'm sorry that the policy against it came as a surprise to you after you'd already created several pages. I will draftify your articles so you can rewrite them at your own pace. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:33, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- All eight articles have been moved to draft. (Sidenote: if anything looks odd with them, please let me know. This was my first time using the MoveToDraft script to carry out all the steps.) Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I just hope a move to draftspace isn't used as a backdoor to more easily bypass the kind of scrutiny AIN brings, especially now that you've marked the matter as resolved and the articles will presumably be left to the draft reviewer community, with which I've had... let's say, not-so-great experiences with in the past to exactly inspire my confidence. Οἶδα (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- We do this as WP:AGF when the editor appears to be cooperating. Sometimes we get burned. But we do look back over AINB cases from time to time and may spot recurring problems. M kuhner (talk) 19:35, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just as I expected. Hope4movies moved two of their articles out of draftspace. They should not be the one making that decision, for obvious reasons. Οἶδα (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- The articles were rewritten, I haven't checked for WP:V though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:13, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
The articles were rewritten
- And not submitted for review. That was not the expectation underlying the conclusion here, surely. Because, again, they should not be the one making that decision. Οἶδα (talk) 05:00, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- If there was no sanction prohibiting them from publishing the revised articles back into mainspace, then they are permitted to do so. If you still feel the articles are deficient, you may nominate them for deletion. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- So... nominate for AIN, move everything to draftspace where where AIN's scrutiny effectively ends, then give the AI-generating editor full control over reviewing their articles and moving them back to the mainspace. Marvelous system. Got it. Cheers.
- To be clear, the reason I'm incredulous and persistent is that I do not believe for one second this user's claim that the extent to which an LLM touched these articles amounts to "copyediting/phrasing while drafting". As I already alluded to above, I initially tagged them because their text indicated that the primary author of the new articles was AI. That remains my contention. Not that it was mere polishing. LLMs have become scary good at generating full wiki articles, replete with sources, markup and all. But there are still signs. And every single time I find LLM articles, the creators either lie or obfuscate. Every. Single. Time. WP:AGF, but that must not minimize our attention to the text. It speaks for itself. It is not a human being. Οἶδα (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you want to change the system, start an RFC. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Cheers Οἶδα (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- cases go to the archives, after a couple months I review them again, see if there's any more cleanup, whether someone's returned and continued using LLMs etc. But this thread is still on the noticeboard, which means we're keeping an eye on the editor. If you want to help you can review their rewrites, if you find lots of AI signs or WP:V failures, you can ask for a block w {{@AINBA}} as they'd potentially be out of WP:ROPE Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:13, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you. Οἶδα (talk) 20:07, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you want to change the system, start an RFC. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- If there was no sanction prohibiting them from publishing the revised articles back into mainspace, then they are permitted to do so. If you still feel the articles are deficient, you may nominate them for deletion. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 05:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- The articles were rewritten, I haven't checked for WP:V though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:13, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just as I expected. Hope4movies moved two of their articles out of draftspace. They should not be the one making that decision, for obvious reasons. Οἶδα (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- We do this as WP:AGF when the editor appears to be cooperating. Sometimes we get burned. But we do look back over AINB cases from time to time and may spot recurring problems. M kuhner (talk) 19:35, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I just hope a move to draftspace isn't used as a backdoor to more easily bypass the kind of scrutiny AIN brings, especially now that you've marked the matter as resolved and the articles will presumably be left to the draft reviewer community, with which I've had... let's say, not-so-great experiences with in the past to exactly inspire my confidence. Οἶδα (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Suðurhafsljósæta, Thank you for graciously pointing this out to me. I have just read the article you and ChrysGalley suggested. I was also catching up on reading the policies and guidelines, but it is quite a lot to take in at once, so I will return to it. Thank you as well for moving all the articles to draft; I will revise them one after another. Hope4movies (talk) 11:05, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- You're very welcome, and thank you for understanding. Good luck with revising the articles. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Great, thanks for being so helpful. Take as little or as long time as you need. P&G is a bit of a mountain, I think we can all appreciate that. That said, while it's best to get it right rather than get it rapid, nevertheless some of these articles are quite interesting so I hope it won't take too long! ChrysGalley (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Many thanks to you both; this turned out to be rather refreshing. I will take on the articles one day at a time, literally. Hope4movies (talk) 11:39, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Here are two things to particularly look out for. (1) Claim is true, but it's in a different source than the one given for it. This is absolutely ubiquitous in recent LLM. (2) Article says "many people said" but only cites one, and probably there aren't more. They just love to do this for some reason. "Multiple sources", "Critics said", anything like that needs to be checked and usually removed. M kuhner (talk) 15:21, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Would advise simply writing directly from the sources, rather than going through a list of different things to look for for every sentence. CMD (talk) 10:25, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Here are two things to particularly look out for. (1) Claim is true, but it's in a different source than the one given for it. This is absolutely ubiquitous in recent LLM. (2) Article says "many people said" but only cites one, and probably there aren't more. They just love to do this for some reason. "Multiple sources", "Critics said", anything like that needs to be checked and usually removed. M kuhner (talk) 15:21, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- All eight articles have been moved to draft. (Sidenote: if anything looks odd with them, please let me know. This was my first time using the MoveToDraft script to carry out all the steps.) Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Personally I think putting all of the listed items into draft status is a good idea, and indeed another editor may decide to do it anyway. LLM is banned, there is nothing optional about that, and it really shouldn't be in draft space either. Whether it is scrutinised or not is irrelevant: you must not use LLM. So going to draft status to allow you to resolve the very obvious use of LLM is a pragmatic way to handle it, given the alternatives are somewhat drastic. It would be good if you could confirm you will stick to policies and guidelines in the future, one guideline being WP:NOLLM. ChrysGalley (talk) 10:31, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Hadesfly
[edit]After this LLM comment, found Andhra Pradesh Airports Development Corporation Limited which they edited, especially history, high likely usage of LLM.
APADCL was originally incorporated in 2015 as the Bhogapuram International Airport Corporation Limited (BIACL). It was formed exclusively as a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) to accelerate the Bhogapuram International Airport Project near Visakhapatnam. It was restructured and rebranded under its current name in November 2017. This administrative shift expanded the corporation's legal and developmental mandate from a single-project entity into a state-wide civil aviation nodal agency..
Their other edits should be looked for possible LLM usage. Iamcarbonmatter ♥ xoxo ✦ 12:50, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- not sure, their other large edits were to Amaravati International Airport. Plausibly AI, but they've not tripped relevant edit filters, no strong AI signs, Pangram says no. Looks like it needs spotchecks unfortunately Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 09:45, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Iamcarbonmatter Can you explain what happened with the Amaravati International Airport article? What is its current status? CMD (talk) 09:56, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- The banned user edit warred and refused to participate in discussion regarding List of airports in Andhra Pradesh. They used Amaravati International Airport edit summary to hurl abuses and what not. Ironically never participated in any discussion, never told what's their exact problem is ANI as well. Iamcarbonmatter ♥ xoxo ✦ 07:06, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've gone through their edits to articles besides Andhra Pradesh Airports Development Corporation Limited and Amaravati International Airport, and while there were some other issues like copyvio, there is no apparent LLM content in those. Checking and potential cleanup is limited to those two. CMD (talk) 01:40, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Iamcarbonmatter Can you explain what happened with the Amaravati International Airport article? What is its current status? CMD (talk) 09:56, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Garudindflamewing
[edit]Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM. Editor's autopatrolled permission has been removed.
User with 20k+ edits and autopatrolled. I noticed Raghuttama Tirtha was full of sentences such as The diverted bridge stands just outside the temple complex to this day as an enduring testament to the saint's living presence.
Satyadhyana Tirtha is similar, with sentences such as This period provided him with valuable experience in management, finance, and human relations. His sharp judgment of men and events earned him respect as a capable leader. At the same time, his humour, warmth, and accessibility made him popular among students and scholars.
and Through rigorous logic and scriptural authority, he decisively refuted their arguments, a victory that entered the annals of Vedāntic history.
Both articles are reckoned to be mixed by GPTZero. They were created before 2022 but were significantly expanded recently with the AI-sounding prose.
Prasanna Venkata Dasa was created recently, and GPTZero judges it to be AI with certainty, with sentences like His life and works exemplify the fusion of scholarship, devotion, and musical creativity in service of spreading Madhva philosophy and devotion to Lord Vishnu.
Beside the prose, the editing patterns of large edits, sometimes in rapid succession, mostly on mobile, with conspicuously vague edit summaries like "added sourced content" don't give much confidence.
Compare pre-2023 pages such as Satyanatha Tirtha, which GPTZero confirms to be human. Kisseran (talk) 15:47, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- WP:GPTZERO, but in this case I think you're right, though it is a weird case. I mean the tone is certainly promotional, but it is too overtly promotional to be typical LLM use (of course these things vary with prompts a lot). Edit pacing is also atypical. Will come back with a more detailed analysis in a bit. Fermiboson (talk) 02:12, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Blatant AITALK on User talk:Narayan Dikshit. @Admins willing to patrol AINB: can we get an autopatrol pull real quick while we look at this? Fermiboson (talk) 02:38, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Fermiboson: You are correct that AI text is present there (User talk:Narayan Dikshit), but I want to clarify the extent. I only used an AI assistant to help me draft and format the specific section regarding Wikipedia guidelines. The rest of the message and my actual comments were written entirely by me. However, I now understand that pasting any AI generated text onto a talk page is strictly prohibited and undermines community trust. That was a big mistake on my part. I will strictly avoid using AI for drafting articles or talk page messages going forward. - Garudindflamewing (talk) 07:13, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Removed autopatrol, noted that the removal is temporary and can be restored by request. I considered removing the reviewer right also, because reviewers nowadays need to be able to recognize LLM-generated content, but I left that alone. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Filler sfn at . Fermiboson (talk) 03:05, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Blatant AITALK on User talk:Narayan Dikshit. @Admins willing to patrol AINB: can we get an autopatrol pull real quick while we look at this? Fermiboson (talk) 02:38, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Tracker page created. I ticked only the pages with substantial non-restorations, though my gut feeling is that there are significant WP:CT/CASTE violations all the way back past 2023. Fermiboson (talk) 03:29, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for the ping and for reviewing these articles. I want to be completely transparent about my workflow here, as it differed between the pages mentioned. For Satyadhyana Tirtha page i used GPT to some extant for drafting and copyediting. But I forgot to neutralize the article to meet NPOV. I will fix this article give me some time. Regarding Raghuttama Tirtha article it is entirely based on books, recently I expanded it. This article expansion is based on Kannada book Sri Raghuttama Tirtharu by a prominent Scholar Vyasanakere Prabhanjanacharya. Since I adhered closely to the source material, the Kannada to English translation ended up retaining the author's reverential and devotional tone. Coming to Prasanna Venkata Dasa article as noted this is a very brief article but I will review it as well to ensure the tone remains neutral. I will not use GPT for drafting going forward. Thank you! - Garudindflamewing (talk) 05:36, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- It would be helpful if you could indicate all of your previous creations and edits that were AI-generated. Regardless, I believe that your autopatrol right is not compatible with the pattern of edits that have been exhibited. Aside from cleanup, it would also be helpful for you to provide the prompt you have used. Note for the future that WP:LLMT is a thing, and also that overly close translations of copyrighted material may itself constitute a copyright issue. Fermiboson (talk) 09:42, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Fermiboson:, thank you for the feedback and for linking to WP:LLMT. I want to firmly clarify the situation regarding Raghuttama Tirtha. I did not do an overly close translation of copyrighted material. I manually researched the Kannada book Sri Raghuttama Tirtharu and wrote everything entirely in my own words. My error was strictly an NPOV one. I was talking about the devotional tone of the original author unintentionally carrying over into my writing. I will go back and neutralize those adjectives, but there is no copyright or close-paraphrasing issue there.
- Except for these two instances, I have not used AI for any other articles or edits. For Satyadhyana Tirtha article my prompt was "Expand the article with the text I'm giving" and I provided my own manual inputs. When ChatGPT generated the content, I only took partial content and headings from it. For the User talk:Narayan Dikshit talk page message I provided the AI with my own manual message and asked it to help me add relevant Wikipedia guidelines to draft the reply. I understand the removal of my autopatrol rights during this review. My immediate focus will be manually cleaning up the NPOV tone in the articles mentioned. - Garudindflamewing (talk) 12:15, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I look forward to your cleaning up of the relevant articles. I would be grateful if you could also label the cleaned-up articles in the tracking page appropriately. Fermiboson (talk) 12:20, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- It would be helpful if you could indicate all of your previous creations and edits that were AI-generated. Regardless, I believe that your autopatrol right is not compatible with the pattern of edits that have been exhibited. Aside from cleanup, it would also be helpful for you to provide the prompt you have used. Note for the future that WP:LLMT is a thing, and also that overly close translations of copyrighted material may itself constitute a copyright issue. Fermiboson (talk) 09:42, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
Seemingly LLM-generated section at Innanetape being restored with possibly unencyclopedic motivation
[edit]Yesterday, I went to the article Innanetape to add that the album is being released to major music streaming services later this month.
I encountered this section, which to me seemed almost certainly LLM-generated, and had no sources:
== Impact and Legacy ==
Innanetape is widely cited as a foundational pillar of the 2010s Chicago hip-hop renaissance. Released alongside other highly acclaimed independent projects from the city, the mixtape helped solidify a distinct, alternative movement within the local youth culture. While mainstream media heavily focused on Chicago's gritty drill subgenre, Innanetape offered a contrasting perspective—highlighting youthful optimism, social awareness, and the everyday realities of growing up in the city without relying on hyper-violence.
The mixtape had a profound impact on the local community, demonstrating to independent Chicago artists that global reach could be achieved without immediate major-label backing. Tracks like "Orange Soda" and "Tweakin" became anthems for the internet hip-hop era, characterized by eclectic production and deeply personal, rapid-fire lyricism.
Culturally, Innanetape captured the chaotic, hyper-connected reality of coming of age on the internet. Its success transformed Mensa from a local frontman into an international solo act, directly leading to high-profile collaborations with artists like Kanye West, Pharrell Williams, Pusha T, and Gorillaz in the years that followed. For fans discovering the project retrospectively, the mixtape serves as a definitive time capsule of a pivotal era in underground hip-hop, highlighting the initial spark of Mensa's creative and activist pursuits.
Looking at the page history, it turned out that the section had been added earlier that day by a user registered that day, DESPERATEG. I removed the section and headed to the author's talk page to ask them about LLM usage. You can see the full conversation here. They claimed that I utilized an LLM to structure my work into a format that was hopefully recognizable to most Wikipedia pages but can re-write it to sound more natural.
I then informed them about Wikipedia's policies on LLMs. I personally don't believe that they only used an LLM for structure, but whatever. They claimed that they would give re-writing the whole thing and sourcing it a try, so I don't think any admin action is needed against them as of right now.
Today, the entire section is added back by a user called Zirthes, along with a maintenance tag for no sources, but no mention about how obviously AI-sounding the whole thing is, that the section very much seems to constitute original research, and that it does not have a neutral tone. I removed the section again.
I reported Zirthes for edit warring in late July 2026, for which they were told that they were in the wrong. Following that, Zirthes started doing things like declining edit requests of mine and appearing in a conversation between me and another user on that user's talk page, telling me not to discuss a specific Wikipedia policy. I reported them for Wikihounding at AN/I; the report ended with me being blocked for a week for battleground behaviour. The day after I return to editing from my block, Zirthes reported me to AN/I for disruptive editing; that report was recently archived as inactive. Throughout the duration of both reports, Zirthes confronted my edits elsewhere on Wikipedia at a rate I believe is not coincidental, which I pointed out in the threads, to which I was continuously met with users telling me that I was casting aspersions, no matter how many more examples kept popping up. A week ago, Zirthes appeared on another user's talk page where I was and admitted to following my edit history. I would like to get a second opinion on this board as to whether my removal of the section, rather than just tagging it, is justified. To me, it's clear as day that the section should be removed. ~2026-41404-95 (talk) 16:32, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Considering the lack of sourcing and how POV the text is, I think removal is reasonable. With regards to Zirthes' reversion, I think one could also make an argument for keeping it and fixing the prose, as DESPERATEG has only made one edit. With regards to yall's ongoing disagreement, I think backing off is the best choice for both of you and the encyclopedia. The beauty of this site is that if there's something wrong, the law of large numbers means someone will find it. MetalBreaksAndBends (One for all) 16:48, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- The edit warring, hounding etc accusations has nothing to do with this. You blanked a whole section without saying why in the edit summary or starting a discussion on the article's talk page and then accused the editor who created the section of using AI. I read the section that you removed and to me it did not seem like there was anything particularly wrong with its content, and I believe that it deserved the chance to be given appropriate sources. Because a lot of it was referring to specific events or people rather than just being random POV information that anyone could have made up. So thats why I undid the removal of the section and added the Template:Unreferenced section to give the other editor(s) a chance to find appropriate sources which they said they would do on their talk page. However you removed the section again so you will have to converse with that editor and decide what is the best way to proceed. I also feel like you weren't assuming good faith to begin with. Zirthes (talk) 17:39, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's guidelines are that AI-generated text is not allowed. They are not "AI-generated text is allowed if someone else thinks it deserves a chance." Gnomingstuff (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where I said that AI-generated text is allowed, but okay. Naturally, introducing sources to support the information would result in areas of the text being removed or altered to reflect what is said in the sources. In my opinion, the section seemed quite specific rather than generic POV content, just like it is an opinion that something is AI generated without factual proof. Please don't twist my words just because you didn't get here first. Zirthes (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
to me it did not seem like there was anything particularly wrong with its content, and I believe that it deserved the chance to be given appropriate sources.
- "AI-generated text is not allowed" means that, for Wikipedia's purposes, there is in fact something "particularly wrong with its content."
- As far as factual proof the person literally said themselves that they used AI, so I don't know what more proof you even need here. Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:47, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- And they also said they would look to reword the section and cite sources, which is why I reverted the section blanking and added the maintenance template to give them a chance to do this. Zirthes (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Personally, I agree with keeping the section out of the article. It's a seriously unacceptable degree of WP:PUFFERY, especially with no sources. If the original author intends to rewrite and source it later, that's fine, and if they have need of the original text for some reason it's in the page history. @~2026-41404-95: I just recommend a short explainer in the edit summary whenever you remove content to avoid this, many people will assume vandalism when seeing a substantial content removal (especially from a TA, unfortunately). purringmaggot (talk) 00:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- And they also said they would look to reword the section and cite sources, which is why I reverted the section blanking and added the maintenance template to give them a chance to do this. Zirthes (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I mean, the person did state that they used AI - i feel like there's no support that could possibly be stronger than that Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where I said that AI-generated text is allowed, but okay. Naturally, introducing sources to support the information would result in areas of the text being removed or altered to reflect what is said in the sources. In my opinion, the section seemed quite specific rather than generic POV content, just like it is an opinion that something is AI generated without factual proof. Please don't twist my words just because you didn't get here first. Zirthes (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's guidelines are that AI-generated text is not allowed. They are not "AI-generated text is allowed if someone else thinks it deserves a chance." Gnomingstuff (talk) 18:28, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Kagerou47
[edit]Would like to get a second opinion. Looking at Kagerou47 page creation log they are creating drafts within minutes of each other. For example, on August 31st, they created 6 drafts. @Guninvalid declined Draft:Daigaku Tsushin in part due to AI and I declined another but they have several pending review and some have been accepted. I do not want decline more if I am wrong but I did leave them a warning. S0091 (talk) 18:02, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- Unsure about complete AI generation. It's definitely strange for someone to create so amyn drafts at once but it is possible they had been working on them for some time before finally submitting. I also notice that almost all the topics are Japanese, and at least one of them has a translation on Japanese Wikipedia. So it's likely they are translating from Japanese Wikipedia, though I suspect undeclared WP:LLMT. guninvalid (talk) 23:31, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
- I left them a reminder about unattributed translations and LLMT - it seems reasonable that these would be translations, but either way we'll hopefully be able to get some information on the editor's workflow. purringmaggot (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, this is helpful. Will keep an eye out to see if they respond, even passively by adding attribution. S0091 (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi there. Looks like a lot of things happened all of a sudden since my previous login. I just finished going through on what happened those draft that I have submitted before, and also went through the cases that appears here in this noticeboard.
- I must admit that I did use AI tools to help me find references, prepare the draft structure, and adjust things a bit here and there.
- I also admit that I am not aware the Wikipedia AI policy before this (and ironically become aware of this when me myself ended up in this noticeboard haha).
- Sorry to trouble the contributors here, to undo my previous edits and submissions, and marking most of my submission as AI generated content accordingly. I do appreciate these efforts to keep the integrity of Wikipedia. I hope that similar standard also applied not only to English Wikipedia, but also other languages / versions of Wikipedia as well.
- As a safeguard, I don't mind if I ended up permanently blocked from making future submission.
- To wrap up, thanks again to the contributors and all these efforts. Cheers. Kagerou47 (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you @Kagerou47 for the response and your honesty, you won't be blocked as such measures are only to prevent disruption to the encyclopedia and never to punish (WP:NOTPUNITIVE). This isn't really your fault, Wikipedia needs to do a better job at informing newcomers of its AI policy. In case you wish to work on your drafts (listed here), some advice I can give: The biggest issue with LLM use is hallucinations (i.e. WP:V failures), though there are other important issues like WP:NPOV/WP:WTW and WP:COPYVIO. Usually we recommend that people stubbify or rewrite LLM-generated articles from scratch since it's often very time-consuming to attempt to preserve such content, but it's up to you. Please let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything. Best, Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:00, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks @Kowal2701. I think I will step aside from those drafts for a while now (thanks as well for putting them in some sort of a quarantine btw).
- Maybe for now, I simply want to see whether other contributors with similar interest will continue working on those as well or not haha.
- Those are a bit niche topics I can say, especially the first one I submitted about Yoichi Aoyagi, one of the Japanese photographer from the 1970s. Then the subsequent submission, is kind of branching out from there, which I got carried away to use AI tools again to submit those as well.
- About the hallucinations issue, I did try to check the provided links and references and did a bit of editing before the submission. I try my best to assure that the draft did not contain wrong information.
- My main challenge for now, I would say is the source material, especially for a figure (such as Yoichi Aoyagi) or reading materials (such as those submission related to Japanese old magazines) that kind of famous at a particular period of time and to a particular group of people, which did not get enough coverage online or even at physical books at the recent times.
- Now that you mentioned about stub, maybe in future if I did consider to continue the contribution again, I will consider to stubbify it first.
- Thanks a lot for the guidance. Kagerou47 (talk) 16:25, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- No worries, creating articles is often the hardest thing for a newcomer to do, there's some advice at Help:Your first article in case you do decide to return to editing (WP:TEAHOUSE can also help with any problems you may have). There is also Help:Find sources which may be useful. Good luck! Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:50, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you @Kagerou47 for the response and your honesty, you won't be blocked as such measures are only to prevent disruption to the encyclopedia and never to punish (WP:NOTPUNITIVE). This isn't really your fault, Wikipedia needs to do a better job at informing newcomers of its AI policy. In case you wish to work on your drafts (listed here), some advice I can give: The biggest issue with LLM use is hallucinations (i.e. WP:V failures), though there are other important issues like WP:NPOV/WP:WTW and WP:COPYVIO. Usually we recommend that people stubbify or rewrite LLM-generated articles from scratch since it's often very time-consuming to attempt to preserve such content, but it's up to you. Please let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything. Best, Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:00, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, this is helpful. Will keep an eye out to see if they respond, even passively by adding attribution. S0091 (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I left them a reminder about unattributed translations and LLMT - it seems reasonable that these would be translations, but either way we'll hopefully be able to get some information on the editor's workflow. purringmaggot (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Permalink/1371449374 is very different to the Japanese article, same deal with Special:Permalink/1372263711 and ja:GORO. Draftifying the rest and tagging, will subscribe to the convo as well. Oddly they don't edit jawiki Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:54, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- can someone decline their AfC submissions? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:59, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- This article Draft:Sunday Mainichi does not have any obvious AI content and most of its refs are real and related to the content cited (there were one or two odd refs but that could be due to the source changing). I would inclined to move this particular article back to mainspace (haven't looked at the others. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 14:39, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- it's very different to the Japanese article, however doesn't really have any AI signs like the others (Pangram also gives it human-written, but has high false negatives). Unfortunately I think it'd still need spotchecks for WP:V before returning to mainspace, as the articles before it have AI signs + Pangram positives. Idk but I expect they are writing these themselves in Japanese, and then using an LLM to translate that (which'd still cause hallucinations and isn't covered by WP:LLMTRANSLATE) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Some things bother me in Draft:Sunday Mainichi.
During WWII [...] publication continued under the English-free title Weekly Mainichi
. Given that the whole point was that the magazine wasn't using English at that time, it seems extremely odd to translate its name! In 2008, the Imperial Household Agency lodged a protest over a February 3 article on Empress Michiko, saying the piece contained claims that were not factual.
Machine translation of the source makes it sound like very small potatoes--more a correction than a rebuke--though I may not be able to interpret tone in Japanese affairs. But it sure does raise the question, what happened next? The article apparently has no interest in this.- The paragraph on Aum Shinrikyo is too-close paraphrase of its source. A few earlier sentences are also very close to this source (which is in English).
- On the other hand, that source discusses two magazines, and as far as I can tell only material on the correct one has been used in this article. I would not expect pure LLM text to get that right; it's a very hard task for them. M kuhner (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Some things bother me in Draft:Sunday Mainichi.
- it's very different to the Japanese article, however doesn't really have any AI signs like the others (Pangram also gives it human-written, but has high false negatives). Unfortunately I think it'd still need spotchecks for WP:V before returning to mainspace, as the articles before it have AI signs + Pangram positives. Idk but I expect they are writing these themselves in Japanese, and then using an LLM to translate that (which'd still cause hallucinations and isn't covered by WP:LLMTRANSLATE) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- This article Draft:Sunday Mainichi does not have any obvious AI content and most of its refs are real and related to the content cited (there were one or two odd refs but that could be due to the source changing). I would inclined to move this particular article back to mainspace (haven't looked at the others. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 14:39, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Capankajsmilyo
[edit]Editor has acknowledged AI/LLM use, committed to stop, and will follow WP:NOLLM. Cleanup may still be needed. Autopatrolled permission has been removed from editor's account.
Autopatrolled user with 47k+ edits. Extremely suspicious editing pattern. e.g. the sequence of revisions starting at Special:Permalink/1373528950 in which 2000 bytes of prose are added in a span of 8 minutes. The sequence of revisions starting at Special:Permalink/1372157922 where nearly 3000 bytes of prose are added in a span of 7 minutes. Two separate unsourced stubs at Special:Permalink/1371558608 and Special:Permalink/1371559265 within 4 minutes of each other. Half an hour later (with continuous edits in between) two more unsourced stubs Special:Permalink/1371564229 and Special:Permalink/1371565136 6 minutes apart. Despite editing since 2015 the user only started tripping edit filters for broken sfns in late 2025. The added content itself is obviously full of AISIGNS as well. Kisseran (talk) 05:26, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- FWIW I put Special:Diff/1373528950/1373530000 through Pangram as a sanity check: . Notified them, also courtesy ping to @Jishara who's reviewing a GAN Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 09:27, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I was not aware of these new guidelines. I used LLM for english drafting and avoiding copyvio. I'll restraint use of LLM now. Thanks for pointing out @Kowal2701 Capankajsmilyo (talk) 10:05, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Capankajsmilyo, can you let us know when you started using LLM? It would really help with cleanup efforts. M kuhner (talk) 23:17, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the courtesy ping, that explains a lot. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 13:17, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara For what it's worth, you could have quickfailed the GAN on criterion 3 since it needs a LLM cleanup banner. Kisseran (talk) 13:35, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Good point - I didn't feel I should quickfail though because the GAN's already been going for a bit, so I regular-failed under Criterion 2 instead, since it's at least partially LLM-generated per Capankajsmilyo, many of the sources are unavailable online, and even before a spotcheck some of the facts didn't line up. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 13:46, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara For what it's worth, you could have quickfailed the GAN on criterion 3 since it needs a LLM cleanup banner. Kisseran (talk) 13:35, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I was not aware of these new guidelines. I used LLM for english drafting and avoiding copyvio. I'll restraint use of LLM now. Thanks for pointing out @Kowal2701 Capankajsmilyo (talk) 10:05, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: Can you revoke autopatrolled here as well? Kisseran (talk) 09:50, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have removed the autopatrolled permission from Capankajsmilyo's account. Capankajsmilyo is welcome to reapply for the permission at WP:PERM/A after requalifying for the guidelines for granting with 25 valid article creations (in addition to the articles he had previously created). — Newslinger talk 14:24, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Lukasmeier88
[edit]Lukasmeier88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Dann Coakwell was tagged for AI signs by Gnomingstuff, I'd say the biggest tell there is that the NYT article linked does not mention the subject at all, but is a review of the same piece of music performed by a different group (an actual relevant NYT review does exist, saying "clear-voiced and eloquent as well as a vivid storyteller" which is very strangely shortened in the article). I see AIBOLD, AIATTR atSpecial:diff/1361216014. AIDASH in user's first article Special:diff/1297294906, though the AI signs are stronger in more recent articles from at least November 2025 forward. I don't have time to conduct a more thorough investigation atm. —BrechtBro (talk) 05:52, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- filter log also full of markdown and ChatGPT params Gnomingstuff (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- At my talk page, user states they are using chatgpt as a translation tool. —BrechtBro (talk) 15:44, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also at Special:diff/1361216014 is a link, footnote 7, to the apparently non-existant https://www.belvivere.media/amadeus. Bel Vivere went bankrupt and folded a few years back. The magazine referenced, Amadeus, continues to be published though the article doesn't appear to be online, if it exists. Corresponding article in Italian was created on July 8 and shares the same problems. —BrechtBro (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Creations are from June 2025 to April 2026. Special:AbuseLog/42970441 (Dec 2025) and Special:AbuseLog/43681107 (March 2026) had markdown, Special:AbuseLog/41974581 (Aug 2025) had a chatgpt-derived link. Analysis of creations needed but they've recently edited so no point for now ig Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:30, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
I looked at the large edit to Alberto Conde and it fails source/text rather immediately. Source article is given the wrong title (something elsewhere in the page was grabbed as title) and does not verify any of the 20th century dates for which it is used. Looking for community consensus for cleanup. M kuhner (talk) 23:31, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Baronmilone
[edit]Baronmilone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Markdown block in . Many, many, many content additions to be tracked. Likely AITALK. Fermiboson (talk) 13:29, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have responded to the notice on my user talk page and will address any specific concerns raised here. Baronmilone (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
User:RogerYg
[edit]7k+ edits. ChatGPT tracking parameters in filter log on talk page messages. Other likely AITALK examples include Special:Diff/1356868700. Markdown in mainspace prose in Special:Diff/1356002131, accompanied by glaring AI prose like Special:Diff/1356096567. Rather conspicuous edit summaries that seem human-written but with typical AI emphasis on adherence to policy. Kisseran (talk) 13:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- final warning as they denied AITALK Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:16, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- they denied it again (not just currently, never ). Markdown mentioned above was in May. I guess we wait for more AI edits and then ask for a block. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:20, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am happy to explain and clarify any AI charges. I can assure you that I am not using AI for my Wiki page edits. There may be very few isolated incidents where I searched for some WP policy on Google Search in AI mode or ChatGPT, which I may have used in a TALK page discussion by mistake.
- Hi @Kisseran and @Kowal2701 I can assure you that I will not use AI LLMs for Wiki edits in the future. I have been editing long before AI LLMs were invented, and I have a very good record with 7K edits. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 21:53, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Guywelch2000 (2)
[edit]Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM.
Previous AIN guest and somewhat prolific user. Made substantial edits to Wawona Hotel today. The changes were first worked out in the user's sandbox, where there are chatbot blocks in f.ex. Diff/1374144270 and Diff/1374146823 from today. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:04, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just a quick note that I have acknowledged the warning. Guywelch2000 (talk) 14:52, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Most of the pages that were draftified the last time have been moved back into article space, and the
{{ai-generated}}tags have been removed. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)- I contributed to many articles in 2024 that were moved into draft space in early August. I spent the last few weeks revisiting them, checking the original sources, and revising the articles based on the issues identified, which often came down to clumsy, verbose prose that I was very motivated to fix. Also, I found many issues typical of first draft articles that were a side effect of my research; extraneous detail, over-sectioning, and so forth.
- My goal is that these articles move beyond Start class, provide knowledge, and are a foundation for others to improve. I have used AI technology to proof my grammar and target weak spots in my writing, which tends towards the promotional, stating the significance of something instead of letting the facts speak for themselves. I have also found AI technology to be helpful in spotting discrepancies between sources. An example of this is articles that cite federal documents over several decades, where I have corrected errors and updated citations to go with what seems like the best and most authoritative source. This was the case with the Wawona Hotel article.
- I love this space and genuine effort in making it better through my contributions. For now, I will both take a pause and revisit the editing guidelines. Thanks for your patience and consideration. Guywelch2000 (talk) 02:33, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Campaigner1942
[edit]Campaigner1942 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Warned for LLM use in June, but the latest AfC accepts show that they haven't stopped. No time to do comprehensive analysis yet; I have a list of like 40 possible open cases in a text file right now. Please take a look. Fermiboson (talk) 15:39, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- hasn't edited since June, chatgpt-derived link in Special:AbuseLog/44387834 (June). Creations are very plausibly AI but no major signs at a glance. Pangram says mixed and AI , I suspect this user was more clueful re AI detection than our usual customers.
- Spotchecks of Special:Permalink/1353543670
Working with Friends of the Earth, the Association for the Conservation of Energy and cross-party MPs, Bailey participated in campaigns supporting Diana Maddock's Home Energy Conservation Act 1995, which required energy conservation authorities to improve the energy efficiency of residential accommodation in their areas.
is sourced to a primary source and is typical AI ORBailey was involved in campaigns for freedom of information and local government transparency during the 1980s. He contributed to discussions surrounding access to local authority information and published work on official secrecy and municipal governance.
is completely unsupported by
- These were the only two I checked, I've seen enough, LLMPRODing Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- LoreGatherer2 (talk · contribs) edited at least two of their creations, was created in July and has triggered Edit Check + filter 1325 . Another potential one is The Lexicographist (talk · contribs) who added an image to Campaigner's creation. Looks like a UPE farm, pinging @NicheSports in case they fancy a crack at this? (I suck at SPI) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:36, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, this is worth an SPI filing, plus I found another. I'll ping you NicheSports (talk) 02:16, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay, I am still working on this one. I will have an update in the next day. NicheSports (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, this is worth an SPI filing, plus I found another. I'll ping you NicheSports (talk) 02:16, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ok, the SPI was filed at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/The Lexicographist. This identified several more accounts: Middlesbroughmight, I-squared-you-squared, Scrutinzer1978, Dartycrossing73, Greenadvocator, Knockonwood1981 that are confirmed to each other and most of the accounts discussed here. LoreGatherer2 is a newer account that requires behavioral adjudication. I have already cleaned up many of the edits from this cluster, but I'd suggest that we wait on the SPI case to be closed before doing further cleanup. NicheSports (talk) 12:19, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Shivaji Mitra
[edit]Shivaji Mitra (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
See recent contribs. Behavior including: edit summaries like "Draft article on Rajive Raturi v. Union of India (Supreme Court accessibility case) with sources; to be moved to mainspace after review" followed by moving to mainspace 1 minute later, oneshot 15k article 13 minutes after last edit, oneshot 27k article 26 minutes after last edit. ~ A412 talk! 15:52, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Permalink/1178991287 (Oct 2023) is blatantly AI-generated, 2026 creations are less obvious. Have warned for the first time Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:41, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have replied on my talk page at User talk:Shivaji Mitra#September 2026. Shivaji Mitra (talk) 03:12, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Wilfredor
[edit]Wilfredor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Blatant AI edit summaries. At a glance the drafts look LLM and edit pacing is weird. Again, have not looked in detail yet. Fermiboson (talk) 16:53, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/42160183 (Sept 2025) had a chatgpt-derived link, on 31 May 2026 they created 62 articles (about a dozen more were draftified and failed AfC, one got G15'd, all appear to be loose LLM translations from eswiki). Last edited 17 August. I suggest LLMPROD 31 May creations to start with Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:56, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
- More info about this situation can be found here. I'm not using any LLM anymore ever for translation Wilfredor (talk) 03:37, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for agreeing not to use LLM anymore! If you could give us the dates you started and stopped it would really help with cleanup. M kuhner (talk) 03:57, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- More info about this situation can be found here. I'm not using any LLM anymore ever for translation Wilfredor (talk) 03:37, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Consensus needed to LLMPROD the 31 May creations, I'm not sure about the few previous ones but those are the priority imo Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:27, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support May 31 LLMPRODs. M kuhner (talk) 01:05, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Made an (approximately) May 31 tracker. Can extend to other dates if found to be needed. M kuhner (talk) 01:31, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support May 31 LLMPRODs. M kuhner (talk) 01:05, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Fabal77
[edit]Fabal77 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Pacing is highly suspicious; user has created 26 articles in a single day, with a gap of just two minutes between a couple of them. Some articles have redlinked categories, but not too many other obvious AISigns have stood out to me, so requesting input from all you experts here. In solidarity, nil nz 00:34, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dmitri Bogolepov in addition to the REDCATS, was created with three sources, two of which are WP:CIRCULAR (one explicitly, the other discloses on its about page). This isn't an LLMTRANSLATE situation because the Russian article doesn't use said sources, has somewhat different content and there would have either been more red categories or the editor would have checked them and had none. Similar situations with several more of these (this one actually directly cites Russian Wikipedia). I think I'm going to draftify all these. purringmaggot (talk) 01:06, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- The one I examined, Iosif Korenevsky, is a translation from Russian Wikipedia. I looked at the original with Google Translate and it appears to be a faithful one. It is cited to ruWiki, not a proper translation notice, but at least this gives means to locate the original.
- The redcats don't match, though: the enWiki article had, at creation, redcats People from Zaslawye, Belarusian State University people, Rehabilitated Soviet people; none of these cats is on the Russian article. M kuhner (talk) 01:08, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Were you possibly thinking of Draft:Alexei Argamakov? This was the only direct translation I noticed - Iosif Korenevsky cites academic.ru, which itself cites Wikipedia, but it doesn't cite the Russian Wikipedia article and the content and structure of it is a little different.
- Further analysis:
- Draft:Anzhalika Melnikava contains WP:AIATTR. Some of the attribution may be appropriate given the events described, but it sneaks in "according to colleagues", "some Belarusian commentators", and "Belarusian media".
- The user's only previous creations are Dainius Gaižauskas and Rimas Jonas Jankūnas which are direct (unattributed) translations from dewiki.
- All of the 10 September creations are tagged and draftified now, and I will leave a warning for the user. purringmaggot (talk) 02:34, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, I was looking at Iosif, but I assumed academic.ru was serving as a mirror of ruWiki due to the citation saying "Academic.ru, citing Wikipedia (Russian edition)". When I machine translated the academic.ru page it looked pretty similar to the article, many sentences nearly verbatim. M kuhner (talk) 02:59, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Oh, I see now. The attribution on academic.ru is dated 2010, so it must have been an earlier version of the wiki article. purringmaggot (talk) 03:14, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, I was looking at Iosif, but I assumed academic.ru was serving as a mirror of ruWiki due to the citation saying "Academic.ru, citing Wikipedia (Russian edition)". When I machine translated the academic.ru page it looked pretty similar to the article, many sentences nearly verbatim. M kuhner (talk) 02:59, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- yeah, real suspicious. It's wait it out to see if they do more of this, then warn. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 14:38, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- User has removed AI-generated tags from two of the drafts without acknowledging my post on their talk page. This edit comes off the most suspicious to me - shuffles around every single reference, removes the draft categories and drafts moved to mainspace templates, and for some reason rephrases my reason in the AI-generated tag (which the editor removed in the next edit). purringmaggot (talk) 18:05, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
User:ArzLibnan
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created Tel Abbas el Gharby in Diff/1351024284 (AbuseLog/44056016) with AIREDCAT, AIBOLD, AILIST, serves as a testament to
and several nonexisting references. I did request G15 at the time, but it was removed by a new user (that has not edited before or since) two minutes after being created in Diff/1351035165 with a nearly incomprehensible edit summary.
Both sources are just links the main pages of the sites. Neither domain (currently) resolves (checked with 1.1.1.1, 1.0.0.1, 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4), but both have been saved on archive.org in the past, so these sites have existed before. But neither reference has 'archive-url' parameters, and both of references have access dates from today, and the article was created today, so these sources almost certainly did not work when this was submitted and the sources could not have been read by the editor (unclear which web pages they mean to cite though, since they just link to the front pages of the domains).
— G15 request in Diff/1351029420
Somepinkdude tried a PROD, but this was declined by ArzLibnan in Diff/1365213458 with an edit summary denying AI use and saying that they did not have the permissions assigned to use the native translation tool
so they had to create the page from scratch
.
Despite a declined G15, the draft is still largely unchanged from its AI-generated creation, and some of the creators' later edits appear unambiguously AI-generated.
— PROD nomination by Somepinkdude in Diff/1365205107
There are several source integrity issues in the current revision Diff/1372046035;
This is sourced to the website fallingrain.com that doesn't seem to exist anymore, but it was most recently saved by archive.org in 2015. The website has lots of interesting geographical and meterological information, but it does not support the "393 ha (3.93 km2)" or give any measurement of the area, as far as I can tell.The village covers an area of approximately 393 hectares.
This is cited to the same fallingrain.com source, which does support that the village is in the Akkar region, but it gives no indication that "the economy is predominantly agrarian" or that it is "benefiting from its location in the fertile Akkar plain".The economy of Tel Abbas el Gharby is predominantly agrarian, benefiting from its location in the fertile Akkar plain.
Sourced to Women Economic Empowerment Portal, but with the wrong title. The only mention of the village isThe village is a local center for farming, primarily producing potatoes, greenhouse vegetables, and cereals.
Farmers in the towns of ... and Tel Abbas indicated that the total cultivated area of strawberry has recently shrunk ... as greenhouse farmers substituted strawberry with various kinds of herbs and vegetables
, potatoes are only mentioned to say that theHead of the Potato Farmers Union
was present, "cereals" are not mentioned at all, and nothing suggests that the village is "a local center for farming".
This is sourced to a BBC article from 2005. It does say thatThe village remained under the military administration of the Syrian Arab Army from June 1976 until their withdrawal in 2005.
all of [Syria's] military forces have left Lebanon [in 2005]
and thatMilitary intervention [in Lebanon] began in 1976
, but the article does not mention "Tel Abbas el Gharby" or "Tel Abbas" at all.
This is just a spot check of three references, but the user has said in Talk:Tel Abbas el Gharby § AI-generated that they have verified all the citations
and manually reviewed and audited this entire article multiple times
. ArzLibnan has denied any AI use wants to know WP:WHERESTHEAI, and assures me that this is not an unattributed machine translation. ‑‑gurkubondinn 01:12, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
March 20-22, 1976: As military control of the Akkar plain intensified, a subsequent wave of violence resulted in approximately 20 further casualties among the remaining civilian population
is sourced to pages 162-163 of Faces of Lebanon, but the book (which is in the Internet Archive library) does not mention anything about the dates March 20-22 1976, or 20 casualties, on those pages or the page before/after.- ...Actually, a word search in this book shows no instances of "Gharby" or "Gharbi". @ArzLibnan: what exactly does "verified all the citations" mean if it doesn't mean "the facts in the text can be found in the cited sources"?
- Also, a funny thing I noticed:
The incident is documented as a critical prelude to the wider sectarian violence in North Lebanon, signaling a definitive breakdown in the state's ability to maintain security in rural districts. This event is often cited as a manifestation of the identity killings that eventually characterized the regional conflict, forcing a shift in local trust away from state-brokered reconciliations.
Don't these two sentences sound like the same (heavily LLM-speak) sentence, rephrased and then mistakenly pasted next to the original sentence rather than replacing it? purringmaggot (talk) 03:11, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
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- Thanks,--ArzLibnan (talk) 05:28, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
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- --ArzLibnan (talk) 05:28, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- I hope you realize that replying with exactly what your chatbot said when you fed our posts into it is just going to piss people off. purringmaggot (talk) 13:46, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's a pretty good catch, @purring maggot. Another thing that I noticed there is that
documented as a critical prelude
andis often cited
(by whom?) are both typical AIATTR over-attribution, andthe wider sectarian violence
is typical superficial analysis. I also want to know whatverified all the citations
is supposed to mean if it doesn't mean that the text is supported by the sources, especially since that has been persistently claimed for several months at this point. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:30, 11 September 2026 (UTC)- editing in the Android app :0 Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:44, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi All, I've spent the best part of the last 3 days reviewing & revising the article, adding citations where lacking, reconciling the content against the citations and ensuring its all paraphrased in my own words. If there is anything further you feel is still necessary please let me know and ill happily address any concerns. Thankyou.--ArzLibnan (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hold on - this individual article is not the whole issue, it's that you created an article with a multitude of AISIGNS and represented to gurkubondinn that you had verified the text against the citations, although the slightest scrutiny revealed that nearly the whole article failed to match up to the citations, in a way that would be obvious had you actually looked at the sources. You were only able to fix the issues when they were spoonfed to you, and you replied individually to our posts (the replies within 1 minute of each other) in the exact tone and style of ChatGPT when it's told it did something wrong, which is a noticeably different tone and style from your comment that I'm replying to just now.
- Meanwhile, among what you've introduced to Tel Abbas el Gharby is a PhD dissertation: Ethnic Cleansing as Military Strategy: Lessons From Lebanon, 1975–1990. The URL in the reference leads to a different dissertation, and it fails to support the claim of
24 fatalities
as it does not specify that it's talking about the October 9, 1975 assault. This part of the dissertation references the ICTJ report, which is already referenced in the article. ICTJ states:killing at least 15 civilians and kidnapping nine others
, which is not 24 fatalities, and since PhD dissertations are typically not considered reliable sources anyway, if the information is contradictory you should go with the ICTJ source. "Summary execution" also has a particular meaning which isn't borne out by the description of the killings in the ICTJ source. - The article also still contains the sentence
By 1976, the Christian population had fled the village, seeking refuge across the border in Syria, Beirut, and coastal Christian enclaves.
sourced to Faces of Lebanon - which again does not mention Tel Abbas - and ICTJ, which statesAs a result of this attack, a new wave of Christians from the north left the Akkar and Tripoli and headed toward Syria
which does not support that the Christian population of the village had fled by 1976 and does not mention Beirut or coastal enclaves. - The way I see it, there are two possibilities: either you haven't been honest about AI usage, or you lack the ability to understand and convey information from the sources, and I would like to hear from you on those subjects rather than pretending like it hasn't been brought up. purringmaggot (talk) 06:08, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @purringmaggot, to set the record straight on my initial replies to this noticeboard, I did not post two successive replies within minutes of each other. I posted one single reply that addressed both yourself and Gurkubondinn. It only appears as two separate comments because I tagged my signature after addressing each of you individually, and Gurkubondinn subsequently edited the formatting and placed boxes around the sections. You can verify this by checking the page's revision history, as per this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAI_noticeboard&diff=1374310011&oldid=1374308253&variant=en
- Re the wrong URL - that was a human error on my part and was fixed immediately as soon as I saw your reply given i had the article still open in my browser after reading it yesterday.
- Re the 24 figure - this was the conclusion I drew from adding the 15 killed and 9 abducted from the ICTJ report for the October 9 incident, concluding those 9 abducted were also killed, which is how i understood the 24 fatalities in the Harvard citation. However it also also entirely plausible that Hagerdal was referring to the fatalities from the subsequent events that took place months later (which was actually my initial understanding however as I was reviewing all the content in the article again and re-reading many sources on the subject over the last few days it dawned on me that it could have been referring to the same incident accounting for the 9 abductions as fatalities. This isn't uncommon when 9 people disappear never to be seen again. Hence the 'totaling 24' was added only yesterday with that Harvard citation appended to it). Looking at it again though, I agree that combining 15 and 9 into a single 24 fatalities figure is inconclusive especially given the potential overlap with subsequent events months later, so Im happy to remove that edit from yesterday.
- Re the displacement destinations - Tel Abbas el gharby is a village in Akkar. William Harris work on the 1975–1976 Akkar conflict covers the displacement of Akkars Christian population, which includes Tel Abbas el gharby. In Harris work he refers to the Christian residents of the Akkar villages fleeing along the established routes toward Beirut and the coastal enclaves. Now it is true that the majority of the Christians in Tel Abbas el Gharby being Greek Orthodox fled to Syria into the Greek Orthodox communities just over the border from them, however the minority Maronite population in the village fled to Maronite areas in Beirut or the Maronite coastal cities in Lebanon, alongside the other Maronite populations in Akkar from the other Christian villages impacted by the same conflict happening at the time. What I've actually documented in the article by combining both the ICTJ and Harris citations is how it actually played out and reflects the demographic reality of that regional conflict. The displacements also happened in multiple waves, the ICTJ documents the October 1975 displacement however there was subsequent displacements months later in 1976 as the violence & killings in the region intensified.
- In any case, I appreciate the review and feedback as it ultimately helps improve the article.--ArzLibnan (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- You are still not answering the actual questions that we are asking you. For the record, I am still of the opinion that this article should be deleted because it fails the NOLLM guideline. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi again @gurkubondinn as explained above, I've spent the best part of the last three days reviewing and revising the article, adding citations where lacking, reconciling the text against the sources, and ensuring everything is paraphrased in my own words. If there is anything further you feel is necessary, please let me know and I'll happily address it. --ArzLibnan (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Can you please answer the actual questions that you have been asked? ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:13, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've done my best to address all questions and clarifications requested here, if ive missed anything please let me know.--ArzLibnan (talk) 10:45, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Can you please answer the actual questions that you have been asked? ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:13, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know, this all is starting to make a whole lot of sense now that we know one of the sources we were supposed to verify is "the inside of the editor's head" purringmaggot (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- For sure, but I still want to get an answer. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:16, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi again @gurkubondinn as explained above, I've spent the best part of the last three days reviewing and revising the article, adding citations where lacking, reconciling the text against the sources, and ensuring everything is paraphrased in my own words. If there is anything further you feel is necessary, please let me know and I'll happily address it. --ArzLibnan (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- What you've described is a significant level of WP:SYNTH - it is not acceptable to draw conclusions based on a synthesis of multiple sources. purringmaggot (talk) 16:31, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think its fair to say ive synthesised conclusions (and certainly not significant) as the way ive carefully documented it was by using the words "By 1976.." to describe the displacements. This correctly accounts for both sources, and is carefully placed after the subsequent killings that took place months after Oct 1975. The sources aren't actually contradictory, both are correct. However, to make sure there's no confusion or mixing of sources, ill update the article so the two points are completely separate: the flight to Syria tied strictly to the ICTJ source for the Oct 1975 assault, and the movement toward Beirut by 1976 is kept separate as a result of the subsequent assaults in the region months later. That way each source directly backs up its own sentence 1:1. --ArzLibnan (talk) 21:36, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- It is textbook WP:SYNTH - if the reader cannot look at the sources cited inline and directly tie the information to the source - if it is dependent upon the editor's interpretation of what happened - it is SYNTH. You can't say that the village's Christians all fled by 1976 because the limit of what the sources say is that an unspecified number of Christians fled the region. I don't even know which quote from Harris p.162-163 is supposed to support the statements here - these pages involve refugees fleeing from Beirut, not people from Akkar fleeing to Beirut.
During this era, the region was governed by the powerful Al-Merehbi (Miribi) family, who exercised political and military influence over the Akkar hinterland.
Pages 65-67 are not about the 19th century and as far as I can tell there is no mention of Al-Merehbi in the book.In late 1974, political instability led to armed clashes, extrajudicial violence, and displacement across the Akkar district.
Pages 161-164 aren't about 1974, and Akkar doesn't come up at all between pages 129 and 212. purringmaggot (talk) 00:46, 14 September 2026 (UTC)- You’re probably using the search bar on Archive.org. The scan on there is just photos of the pages, so the search misses half the text in the book. If you manually flip to page 115 (apologies for typo), Harris mentions the Mir'ibis as the main landholders in rural Akkar. To make it simpler so nobody has to dig through book scans, I’ve added a secondary online source to support the Ottoman/Mir'ibi context directly. Also, Akkar is covered between pages 129 and 212 in Harris - pages 161-167 cover the northern front in the initial period of the war. As you cant rely on a word search of photos, I’ve gone overhauled the whole history section on the page so every sentence maps 1:1 to sources available online, which will help you with the reconciliation process. Ive also separated the displacements into distinct waves as discussed earlier, each with URL citations that you can click and verify. --ArzLibnan (talk) 10:37, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- You still haven't answered the question that you were asked. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:48, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've done my best to address all questions and clarifications requested here, if ive missed anything please let me know. I'm committed to ensuring that the rules are followed and that the article meets the Wikipedia standards. If you review the article you'll find that it already does meet thise standards to the best of my knowledge. If there's any other feedback to help improve the article further, im all ears, and will happily work collaboratively with you to further improve the article.--ArzLibnan (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
@ArzLibnan: what exactly does "verified all the citations" mean if it doesn't mean "the facts in the text can be found in the cited sources"?
— User:purring maggot 03:11, 11 September 2026 (UTC)I also want to know what "verified all the citations" is supposed to mean if it doesn't mean that the text is supported by the sources, especially since that has been persistently claimed for several months at this point.
— User:gurkubondinn 09:30, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:57, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- except the facts in the text can be found in the cited sources. Go through and read the article and you will see that. In fact the article, which by Wikipedia standards is considered to be a small article, has 23 citations referenced. If you think ive missed a citation somewhere that you feel is necessary then call it out and ill fix it. If you think that any of the live 23 citations dont substantiate the text then call it out and I'll either address it or point out where you missed it in the citation. Ive reviewed the article and checked all the citations already and fail to see where there are any further issues to address. Ofcourse a second set of eyes is always welcome, I am human afterall.--ArzLibnan (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- We are not talking about the current revision of the article. We are talking about revision Diff/1372046035, that you've said that you had
verified all citations
of. You said in April that you hadcarefully written and reviewed the content [yourself]
in Diff/1351031716 and Diff/1351032818 on the talk page. Then in August you said in Diff/1371861284 that you hadreviewed the whole article to ensure all references were correct
. Then you said in Diff/1371885011 that youwent through and verified all the citations
. - All of that is before any of the changes that you made to the article after I started this AIN thread. So what did you mean when you said those things? ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:51, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- The sourced citations in Diff/1372046035 are still in the live article now. What does that tell you? That when i said I had carefully reviewed and written the content I was telling the truth. Did i put a citation next every sentence in the article at time? No I did not, nor did I think it was necessary to. The reason Ive done that now is ro serve as testament to the fact that the article has truly been reviewed because you refused to believe me in good faith. Is it ridiculous having so many citations in such a small article? absolutely it is, but so are the threats to delete an article that I spent weeks researching, reviewing updating, refining. Its like someone telling you they're going to take your baby away from you. Was the article perfect when I advised I had conducted those reviews? No but at the time I thought it was. Is it perfect now? Considering Ive manually reviewed & refined the article over and over again to the point where ive practically memorised it all & considering there's been a full word by word audit by users active on this board, I would say that the live article right now is perfect (until someone identifies other areas for improvement). The other thing to point out is that you were initially complaining about a citation that was a dead link, a citation that I sourced through the translation process and had verified before publishing the article. So why was it a dead link? Its because the link is to a government website and that particular government is on the verge of bankruptcy and cannot afford to maintain the server, there was never an issue with the link or content behind the link, and I distinctly recall verifying the citation before publishing the article. These things happen and are out of my control.--ArzLibnan (talk) 21:44, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- We are not talking about the current revision of the article. We are talking about revision Diff/1372046035, that you've said that you had
- except the facts in the text can be found in the cited sources. Go through and read the article and you will see that. In fact the article, which by Wikipedia standards is considered to be a small article, has 23 citations referenced. If you think ive missed a citation somewhere that you feel is necessary then call it out and ill fix it. If you think that any of the live 23 citations dont substantiate the text then call it out and I'll either address it or point out where you missed it in the citation. Ive reviewed the article and checked all the citations already and fail to see where there are any further issues to address. Ofcourse a second set of eyes is always welcome, I am human afterall.--ArzLibnan (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've done my best to address all questions and clarifications requested here, if ive missed anything please let me know. I'm committed to ensuring that the rules are followed and that the article meets the Wikipedia standards. If you review the article you'll find that it already does meet thise standards to the best of my knowledge. If there's any other feedback to help improve the article further, im all ears, and will happily work collaboratively with you to further improve the article.--ArzLibnan (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- You still haven't answered the question that you were asked. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:48, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- You’re probably using the search bar on Archive.org. The scan on there is just photos of the pages, so the search misses half the text in the book. If you manually flip to page 115 (apologies for typo), Harris mentions the Mir'ibis as the main landholders in rural Akkar. To make it simpler so nobody has to dig through book scans, I’ve added a secondary online source to support the Ottoman/Mir'ibi context directly. Also, Akkar is covered between pages 129 and 212 in Harris - pages 161-167 cover the northern front in the initial period of the war. As you cant rely on a word search of photos, I’ve gone overhauled the whole history section on the page so every sentence maps 1:1 to sources available online, which will help you with the reconciliation process. Ive also separated the displacements into distinct waves as discussed earlier, each with URL citations that you can click and verify. --ArzLibnan (talk) 10:37, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think its fair to say ive synthesised conclusions (and certainly not significant) as the way ive carefully documented it was by using the words "By 1976.." to describe the displacements. This correctly accounts for both sources, and is carefully placed after the subsequent killings that took place months after Oct 1975. The sources aren't actually contradictory, both are correct. However, to make sure there's no confusion or mixing of sources, ill update the article so the two points are completely separate: the flight to Syria tied strictly to the ICTJ source for the Oct 1975 assault, and the movement toward Beirut by 1976 is kept separate as a result of the subsequent assaults in the region months later. That way each source directly backs up its own sentence 1:1. --ArzLibnan (talk) 21:36, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- You are still not answering the actual questions that we are asking you. For the record, I am still of the opinion that this article should be deleted because it fails the NOLLM guideline. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi All, I've spent the best part of the last 3 days reviewing & revising the article, adding citations where lacking, reconciling the content against the citations and ensuring its all paraphrased in my own words. If there is anything further you feel is still necessary please let me know and ill happily address any concerns. Thankyou.--ArzLibnan (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- The source "Lebanon Crisis Response Plan 2017–2020" was added in Diff/1372037277, but it just links to the lebanon
.un main page and not to the actual report itself. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:50, 15 September 2026 (UTC).org - Thats an old Diff you pulled up. At the time it was published to the article the main page was where the info was. As it's a dynamic link this was already updated days ago to a static link. Please check the live published page for the most up to date edits. --ArzLibnan (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- The point isn't that you have changed the link in the reference and that it now points to the actual report. The point is that you made the Diff/1372037277 edit in the first place, and how that happened. That's a link to the lebanon
.un main page, not a a dynamic link, you can't just say slightly technical words to addressing this. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:25, 16 September 2026 (UTC).org - I think you missed the point I was making. dynamic link meaning that it pointed to the main page which at the time would have had the information published to substantiate the articles text. Because the main page is constantly updated (dynamic), the link needed to be updated to a static link that doesn't get updated, this was already updated days ago before you brought it to my attention as I noticed it when i was undergoing a full review & revision of the article. I hope that clarifies things.--ArzLibnan (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
We are not talking about the current revision of the article
If there are no further concerns with the live article then the tag placed on it should be removed.--ArzLibnan (talk) 22:08, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- The point isn't that you have changed the link in the reference and that it now points to the actual report. The point is that you made the Diff/1372037277 edit in the first place, and how that happened. That's a link to the lebanon
- Thats an old Diff you pulled up. At the time it was published to the article the main page was where the info was. As it's a dynamic link this was already updated days ago to a static link. Please check the live published page for the most up to date edits. --ArzLibnan (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- editing in the Android app :0 Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:44, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- --ArzLibnan (talk) 05:28, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Electragod77
[edit]2k+ edits. Extremely fast edit pacing e.g. Special:Permalink/1358301594 and Special:Permalink/1358304739 4k in 20 minutes. Prose full of AISIGNS and has even tripped edit filters for plain, obvious AI vocabulary. Kisseran (talk) 11:03, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- also previously warned for copyvio and deprecated infobox parameters. Just given first AI warning Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:48, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- their creations were between 2022 and 2023 and aren't AI-generated, triggered filter 1325 twice in June . They effectively took a break from 2023 until April 2026, after which they made a ton of rapid edits (a lot of files created, I've no clue what to do w those). Most edits are minor (adding files etc.), quotes, or infoboxes. I'll create a tracker excluding small ones Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:40, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
User:BoonDock
[edit]Impossibly fast editing pace and triggered AI filters. Text has every AISIGN under the sun. I've G15-nominated South African Army Vision 2020 but there are still many to look at. Kisseran (talk) 11:52, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- 15k edits and account created in 2005, asked when they started using AI (appears to just be Sept?) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 01:53, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- they responded w Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:45, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
User:金色黎明
[edit]Editor has been blocked site-wide for AI/LLM policy violations. WikiCleaner1013 (talk · contribs) has also been blocked as a sockpuppet of 金色黎明.
金色黎明 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) This user has been blocked for persistent addition of AI slop on Chinese Wikipedia. Just out of curiosity, I roughly checked their contributions, and found they also used a LLM/AI to make edits here.
- 43045940 Blatant ChatGPT track parameter.
- Cytoplasmic-nuclear male sterility (GPTZero AI score = 1.0) It appears that this article contains a total translation of their creations, zh:核质互作雄性不育, from Chinese Wikipedia. The latter is obviously generated by AI and tagged with
G15by an admin (zh:special:diff/94274371). The former has many signs of WP:AITREND. (e.g.The term emphasizes that sterility is not determined by cytoplasm alone, but by disharmonious interaction between cytoplasmic sterility factors and the nuclear genome.
andCytoplasmic-nuclear male sterility is important in plant breeding because male-sterile plants can be used as female parents without manual emasculation. It has been used in hybrid seed production in crops such as rice, maize, sorghum, pearl millet, rapeseed, sunflower, sugar beet, onion and pepper.
--椿 (talk🎀) 12:15, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you @椿, several of their zhwiki articles are tagged for speedy deletion, the earliest appears to be 17 Jan 2026. The zhwiki cleanup page is rather long. I see several of their GAs are being reassessed (zh:维基百科:2026年AI调查), they also have 2 GAs here that are potentially AI: 2024 Taiwanese President of Legislative Yuan election (Dec 2025 - June 2026) and 1984 Indiana's 8th congressional district election (Jan - Feb 2026). The chatgpt-derived link was Dec 2025, triggered filter 1325 in Jan 2026, looking at their creations:
- Nova Roma (video game) (Feb 2026) has WP:AIDASH, WP:AIVOCAB ("highlighted", "emphasized"), WP:AICONNECT ("combining"), overeliance on primary sources
- 1984 Indiana's 8th congressional district election (Jan 2026, now a GA) has WP:AIDASH, WP:AITREND ("reflecting"), extrapolated WP:AIATTR re "contemporary reporting", Pangram says AI
- I'll WP:LLMPROD back to Jan 2026 for now, need to wait for Pangram credits to go further back lol (just for sanity checks ofc) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:22, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- On to the two GAs (analysing early revisions):
- 1984 Indiana's 8th congressional district election (Jan 2026) had AIDASH, AIVOCAB ("emphasizing"), SUPERFICIAL (
...reflecting the extent to which national party organizations treated the seat as a proxy battle over the legitimacy of the 1985 House decision
) + Pangram positive , I've tagged it, courtesy ping @Thebiguglyalien as reviewer: idk whether this ought to go to GAR or just LLMPRODed, tbf your spotchecks didn't bring up any hallucinations apart from maybe one - 2024 Taiwanese President of Legislative Yuan election (Dec 2025) had AIDASH, AITABLE + Pangram positive , I've tagged it, courtesy ping to @ZKang123 as the reviewer: same above, similarly your spotchecks didn't turn any major hallucinations
- 1984 Indiana's 8th congressional district election (Jan 2026) had AIDASH, AIVOCAB ("emphasizing"), SUPERFICIAL (
- Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I believe the AI-ness might be due to them translating from Chinese sources to English. Much of the coverage is in Chinese and my spot checks generally can tell that they support the prose. Also, I recommend using GPTZero. Disappointed to learn that said user has been using AI to pollute the Chinese Wikipedia.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:30, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- They were translating zhwiki pages they created which AFAICT are determined to have been AI-generated (I can't read/detect AI wrt Mandarin). Personally I've found GPTZero to be pretty unreliable, Pangram has high false negatives but a positive from it is usually a strong sign. That very few WP:V failures were found is odd, the articles are pretty short (~1000 words) so maybe they did just review it all for hallucinations before submitting to GAN Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:32, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I believe the AI-ness might be due to them translating from Chinese sources to English. Much of the coverage is in Chinese and my spot checks generally can tell that they support the prose. Also, I recommend using GPTZero. Disappointed to learn that said user has been using AI to pollute the Chinese Wikipedia.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:30, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Some more analysis:
- Alexander McIver (Sept 2025) had AIDASH, AIPUFFERY (
A noted mathematician...
), SUPERFICIAL (His career illustrates the intersections of education, governance, and rural reform in nineteenth-century North Carolina.
), some AICURLY, AITREND (Alexander McIver played a central role in reshaping North Carolina's education administration
), AITITLECASE, no need to waste Pangram credits on this - Tom Arceneaux (Feb 2025) was the one before that and had SUPERFICIAL (
His considerable engagement in civic activities encompasses participation in various organizations...
), AIVOCAB ("emphasized"), but no other signs, Pangram says AI-assisted
- Alexander McIver (Sept 2025) had AIDASH, AIPUFFERY (
- Need to wait for more Pangram credits again :/ Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:12, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- On to the two GAs (analysing early revisions):
- (I notified zhwiki of this thread at zh:维基百科讨论:2026年AI调查/User:金色黎明#英文维基百科 (English Wikipedia)) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:37, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. I've notified @金色黎明 myself since they didn't join the discussion, although we will get no response from them, I think. 椿 (talk🎀) 10:18, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701 @椿 User:金色黎明 is now gone offline in both zhwiki and enwiki to evade this issue, which is a definite nonsense. Please consider giving the user a full indefinite block as that as in zhwiki. Пусть от победы☆к победе ведёт! 10:54, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Neither of us are admins, but I can ping @Anachronist. Usually we don't block someone who goes inactive, but I've seen in cases of WP:ANIFLU where a mainspace block is given to make them address concerns before returning. Will ofc defer to Anachronist Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:57, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: Now we've got a DUCK @WikiCleaner1013 who has just registered and tried to remove this thread and the LLM tags. Blocks are now very appropriate. Kisseran (talk) 14:20, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Done. Both blocked. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:29, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Quite a lot of (presumably socks) blanking this section.. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:51, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- yeah they're socks, feel free to report any you see to m:Steward requests/Global for lock evasion Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:18, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Quite a lot of (presumably socks) blanking this section.. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:51, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Created WP:Sockpuppet investigations/金色黎明. Srapoj (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Done. Both blocked. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:29, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: Now we've got a DUCK @WikiCleaner1013 who has just registered and tried to remove this thread and the LLM tags. Blocks are now very appropriate. Kisseran (talk) 14:20, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Neither of us are admins, but I can ping @Anachronist. Usually we don't block someone who goes inactive, but I've seen in cases of WP:ANIFLU where a mainspace block is given to make them address concerns before returning. Will ofc defer to Anachronist Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:57, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
Made a tracker only to Jan 1 2026 covering both accounts. Can extend if deemed necessary. M kuhner (talk) 02:00, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
University of Sydney course mass AI use across at least two years
[edit]See Wikipedia:Education noticeboard#University of Sydney undisclosed course with mass AI use for detailed analysis. We have here an unknown number of student accounts, thus far 100% of which have used LLMs, and which are still not all cleaned up from 2025, and this year's course is happening right now. Eyes needed. Fermiboson (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1374354626 isn't good, but it doesn't seem AI, so the 100% figure can be revised a little bit. Not enough, but it's not all AI slop out there. Kisseran (talk) 16:59, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know,
The first-hand records at that time showed that this kind of friendship had common hobbies, emotional support and intimate physical interaction
is suspect and I am quite confident the summary is AI. Relatively moot in either case. Fermiboson (talk) 17:02, 11 September 2026 (UTC)Records left over from history record a large number of emotional words in letters and diaries in men's romantic friendships
stood out to me as being not AI, but looking at the rest of the edit and the edit summary does indeed not spark any confidence. Kisseran (talk) 17:09, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know,
- (any updates?) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:02, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- There was more discussion at EDUN where Fermiboson reported yesterday
I am happy to report that the three latest revisions by students do not read obviously as AI generated. As to the cleanup work that remains I'll report on AINB.
—ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 23:52, 16 September 2026 (UTC)- thanks, maybe a list of users whose contribs need cleaning? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:57, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Check everything in , maybe. Fermiboson (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Forked to cover just this year's course if we want to prioritise: quarry:query/109392. —ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 00:21, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've started a small list of what looks like high priorities for investigation. Don't know why Dr vulpes's script placed the list at the bottom – maybe because there isn't a single user being tracked? Can DVRTed's script handle a situation like tnis? —ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 14:38, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Kind of. There's a fresh new update enabling the creation of a unified tracking table for multiple users. It's very fresh and... "unified" (as in everything is crammed into a single table!). See User talk:DVRTed/AINB-helper § Multiple users (sockfarms). — DVRTed (Talk) 14:51, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Check everything in , maybe. Fermiboson (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- thanks, maybe a list of users whose contribs need cleaning? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:57, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- There was more discussion at EDUN where Fermiboson reported yesterday
User:EZPopoluv
[edit]- EZPopoluv (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This is a referral from an arbitration enforcement request (permalink) within WP:CT/A-I that I recently closed. Per my comment in the discussion:
...it appears that EZPopoluv's editing process is:
- Use an LLM to generate a proposed edit to an article
- Use a private script to format the LLM-generated edit as a "staging" page and create it under User:EZPopoluv/staging/
- Use the script User:EZPopoluv/common.js to load the LLM-generated changes from the "staging" page into the wikitext editor for the target article
- Review the changes
- Submit the changes
As convoluted as the "staging" process is, this workflow is functionally the same as having an AI chatbot generate an edit, then copying and pasting it into the wikitext editor without creating a "staging" page. EZPopoluv said,
"After receiving feedback about making too many quick consecutive edits, I set up a local script to publish directly via the Wikipedia API to streamline my workflow", which indicates that their edits prior to creating the "staging" process were also LLM-generated.
— Newslinger talk 19:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- triggered Paste Check multiple times early on, but their article and draft creations don't really have strong AI signs (ofc they're all very plausibly AI). Needs a closer look Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:34, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- currently editing, spotchecks needed here Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 18:58, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
Draft:Historical accounts of homosexuality in African societies
[edit]Hi.@Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four@Gurkubondinn@ChrysGalley@Kowal2701@Anachronist@M kuhner@AndyTheGrump
I've improved this article in the areas it was lacking in the previous version []. I've fixed paraphrasing problems. Each line is stated in my own words, but still loyal to what the source says. I've restructured how the section should look. I took in the advice of some users to change the title name to better capture the content inside of the article. It's highly attributed. I've fixed the citation number issue and used secondary sources in some sections and primary in others. The new title name resolves the issue of WP:due that was invoked, and the lead section.
There was no llm use here. It was drafted by me. Broadly I did explain I did use llm to ask questions about societies that had homosexuality in Africa. That was it. Its the only use. Llm can't read books. No source online that is reliable exists that can be as specific as this article. Llm needs the direct material to read what's inside. It can't read a book. They are behind paywalls and some are not even recorded in txt. You can see there is no hallucination from any llm. The names, places are all names used in the books. I do not believe Ai can do that, based on my personal experience with Ai, especially on African topics with barely any coverage.
So I'm here to notify the users previously involved in the other discussion and a vote took place I knew I couldn't just send to mainspace. Sending it to mainspace is my goal here, after I've properly requested for the mainspace title unbanned. So I'm curious to hear your thoughts and what you consider to be still problematic on this updated version. Omniking2100 (talk) 20:21, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Rednaxela1962
[edit]We in the german AI/Cleanup have a report about this user. According to Pangram, this user is adding ai-generated and ai-translated text to articles and create articles with ai, but not always so we don't know when this user started it to use. I found an edit of this user from March 17th 2025 that according to Pangram (90%) added ai-generated text to the article. The suspicion of ai involvement is there and it could affect even more articles. Skranon (talk) 20:51, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- There are UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use in Diff/1285617441 (AbuseLog/40517587) and Diff/1285619749 (AbuseLog/40517732). ‑‑gurkubondinn 21:48, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Permalink/1280840675 on 16 March 2025 appears to be AI-assisted . Some creations even as late as 6 September were done with the mw:Content translation tool, but I'm struggling with detecting signs. In the edit you linked above, they use straight quotes, while they usually use curly quotes (including in the edit I've linked). I see you've already asked them , that looks like our best bet unfortunately, idk what to think Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:00, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- On the german AI/Cleanup the user said he is using AI for one year. But the article I linked here in my report is from may 2025. Skranon (talk) 06:14, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not all that bright, their creations were all translations from dewiki. 5 sizeable creations on 23 March 2025, some within 20 mins, which seems implausible without LLMs or machine translation (@Skranon, this might be helpful). For enwiki: really the only way to tell whether these comply with LLMTRANSATE is spotchecks unfortunately Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:13, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user clarified that he uses AI since March/May 2025. The english article Jean Violet created in May 2025 is a translation from the german article. According to Pangram both german and english Article have ai-generated text. Even if they are translations, the german article can have ai-generated text and can be transferred with a translation to the english article. --Skranon (talk) 04:36, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- According to Pangram, these articles have ai-generated text:
- Jean Violet, Kuwait–United Kingdom relations, Niger–Russia relations, Luxembourg–Netherlands relations, Austria–Bosnia and Herzegovina relations, Jaroslav Haščák Skranon (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- thanks, those are May to October 2025. Pangram does give a lot of false negatives (I assume especially wrt translations), but it's positives are usually reliable. Oddly one of the 23 March translations are coming back as human-written. I haven't got the time to do the spotchecks for some of these to see if they comply with LLMTRANSLATE, it may have to go to the backlog Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 14:11, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Martinpri
[edit]Martinpri (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns. User was blocked from article space and then unblocked in User talk:Martinpri § September 2026.
Previously warned for LLM use, they have clearly not stopped. is blatant AITALK (in my opinion, Claude). Oren Dobronsky is not blatant but has some amount of signs, mostly vagaries. Edit summaries are LLM. Fermiboson (talk) 03:59, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Definitely did not stop, look at Diff/1357486051.
- The user ignored the first warning in February 2026, but then acknowledged the second warning in April 2026 and claimed to have
since stopped using it
. - @Admins willing to patrol AINB: the warning in April 2026 made it clear that they would be blocked if they continued. They have continued, so I think that they need to be blocked from at least article space. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:02, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- pblocked. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 00:34, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi everyone I saw the discussion here and on the other page. I believe the block I received is unwarranted. Following the warning several months ago, there is not a single edit done by me that has not been written, reviewed and links verified by me. I saw the few links someone flagged as evidence of LLM or AI use. One of the links I believe is an article that has simply been taken offline after I used it . One has a wrong title probably my mistake.
- Anyway, I took the warning seriously. As mentioned, all information is doublechecked by me and verified. I don't believe you'll find any false or inaccurate information on my edits (and if so, it does not represent the majority of the hundreds of edits I have done), and I believe they contribute to the project. I use AI agents from time to time to look for links or information in cases when Google or other online sources yield very little information. Or to consult on certain issues. But as mentioned, I review all links and edits entirely to ensure the sources exist and are valid (And relevant for the edit).
- Since the warning several months ago, I've done several hundred edits with probably many hundreds or over a thousand links and citations. I believe a look at them will show they are all or mostly all valid and accurate.
- I would like to request you reconsider and that the block be lifted. I am very happy and proud to be part of the community and contribute, and I would like to continue doing so. Again, given the above, I will be even more vigilant in verifying all links and content, but as mentioned the vast majority is my work and not AI, and I'm pretty sure you can verify that. Thanks for the consideration.
- pblocked. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 00:34, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Martinpri (talk) 22:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Martinpri: How did you end up with placeholder names for the reference above? In addition, was the talk page comment linked above AI-generated? ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 15:22, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi.
- I'm not sure about the placeholder - I honestly don't remember but as you can see it's a fluke and a one-off. I did a spot check on my work going several months back and haven't found any similar issues. As you can see, also from the articles, there are almost no mistakes or issues on my links other than this. Again, I honestly don't remember why this link is like this. It's not typical of my work, a can be seen). Martinpri (talk) 08:10, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Regarding Oren Dobronsky, the article was translated from Hebrew (with the use of AI, which I understand is allowed), and then edited by me, including addition of info and sources not in the original page in Hebrew. And I rechecked the article - all links accurate, working, properly formatted. Martinpri (talk) 05:42, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you speak Hebrew? Fermiboson (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, I do. Martinpri (talk) 10:25, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you speak Hebrew? Fermiboson (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Martinpri, the procedure for asking for a block to be lifted is given in the block message on your Talk page. I suggest you post your reasoning there, not here. Unblock requests on AINB won't be seen by admins, and non-admins like the volunteers here can't do anything about them. M kuhner (talk) 02:14, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, @M kuhner. The block message in my Talk Page said to use the Unblock Wizard. I did. Is there anything else I need to do? Martinpri (talk) 05:14, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think there's anything else you need to do. There is a backlog at the unblock requests noticeboard, so it may take a little while for an admin to get to your request. M kuhner (talk) 05:18, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, @M kuhner. The block message in my Talk Page said to use the Unblock Wizard. I did. Is there anything else I need to do? Martinpri (talk) 05:14, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Martinpri: How did you end up with placeholder names for the reference above? In addition, was the talk page comment linked above AI-generated? ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 15:22, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user is now unblocked. ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:33, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Martinpri (talk) 22:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
Can we find a start date for tracking? M kuhner (talk) 02:17, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Martinpri: can you tell us when your AI use began? ‑‑gurkubondinn 15:35, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:SadamShk
[edit]SadamShk (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
WP:AIBOLD and non-existent reference at Ahmed Umdagas Hamidu. AI-generated tag already applied by another user at Tsahi Vider. This user has created numerous articles. I would be grateful if users more familiar with AI cleanup could investigate and consider WP:LLMPROD. Dionysodorus (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
- Found another nonexisting references in the initial revision of the article, you can probably request G15 for this. The user's other edits and articles need to be investigated though. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:07, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Gurkubondinn: Thanks. I'm very happy to do a G15 nomination if that would be helpful: I held off doing so just in case it was more helpful to leave the whole matter to be investigated and addressed as a whole by you editors here, who know how to deal with all this better than I do. Dionysodorus (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- There's on real rush to G15 it, I've tagged the article as
{{ai-generated}}in the mean time if you want to wait with it. - While looking at this, I saw User talk:SadamShk § Aisha Hamman moved to draftspace where rsjaffe said that it had been draftified in part because the
references are nonsensical
. The page has been deleted by now, but some of the references are in AbuseLog/42605429 and the full wikisource can be found in the "Old page wikitext" and "New page wikitext" sections, and there's also other filter log entries for the same page. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:12, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- There's on real rush to G15 it, I've tagged the article as
- @Gurkubondinn: Thanks. I'm very happy to do a G15 nomination if that would be helpful: I held off doing so just in case it was more helpful to leave the whole matter to be investigated and addressed as a whole by you editors here, who know how to deal with all this better than I do. Dionysodorus (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
Since my post above, this editor has created a new article at Tunde Adelakun, which has already been nominated at AfD on notability grounds, and which has some references that fail verification (e.g. this one says nothing about him being the President of Rotary International, and this one does not say he is the chief scout of the Super Eagles).
Is there enough here for WP:LLMPRV? I will ping SadamShk in case they would like to comment. Dionysodorus (talk) 00:24, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- I should note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniele Bonanno as well. Dionysodorus (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Kskhh
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created PakID with a chatbot block and AIREDCAT in Diff/1374667063 and then partially removed the chatbot block in Diff/1374667134, I've requested G15 speedy deletion. Has also created Muvi Cinemas in Diff/1372996767 (AbuseLog/45032343) with four AIREDCATS and non-existing templates. Created Dhurandar Part 2 with protection templates in AbuseLog/42937161, deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dhurandhar: Part 2. Has edited before the public release of free-access chatbots, so it is unclear when AI use began. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:03, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also created Hunger Station in Diff/1374665489 with two AIREDCATS and a pretty irrelevant link to Jahez (a redirect to Dowry system in India) in § See also. The article reads very promotionally and was created c. 13 minutes before the PakID article. ‑‑gurkubondinn
- Almost the same with ARY Plus, submitted less than 20 minutes before Hunger Station in Diff/1374649592. There's two AIREDCATS, duplicated references, redlink in § See also, and it is very promotional. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:46, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- In Feb, March, and Sept they added non-existent templates, which they never did before. 2026 PIMS hospital fire (August 2026) rings as human-written to me, though there's
The incident was among the deadliest hospital fires in Pakistan in recent years, highlighting concerns over the country's under-resourced and overburdened public healthcare facilities.
(AITREND/AIVOCAB), Pangram gives a partial positive (tagged this one). Muvi Cinemas (3 Sept) had AIREDCATs (have draftified that one). That's all there is wrt creations, finding a start date for ordinary edits looks like it's going to be tricky Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:10, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Benigo36
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Seemed to have created Mick Garvey, Madge Harvey, Gavin Ramsbottom, Tiger Dyke and Geoff Maltby, large articles over several days. There could more. scope_creepTalk 14:42, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Between March and May 2026 they triggered Special:AbuseFilter/1325 a few times and had chatgpt-derived links , earliest creation is April. Warned, will wait for a response Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- All articles mentioned have been created after comprehensive research into sources to make them suitable for Wikipedia. I have used templates (Infobox character). Found images that can easily be uploaded for the infobox to demonstrate the character involved in the article. I have followed a simple though effective formatting, which includes casting, appearances, development and reception. They took hours to create and were not AI generated creations. Benigo36 (talk) 21:26, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:1keyhole
[edit]1keyhole (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
NPPer to my immense disappointment. is one of the most blatantly AI generated edits I have seen in quite some time. Fermiboson (talk) 17:42, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- I agree. Jako96 (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- could someone identify the specific verifiability issue with each reverted edit? since there was eight items 1keyhole (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, the facility faced a wave of individual and class-action lawsuits alleging physical, verbal, and sexual abuse, medical negligence, and violations of constitutional rights (such as in the landmark cases Milonas v. Williams).
cited to the court case Milonas v. Williams is a huge one. Basically that whole edit attributes broad, sweeping trends to one case, one person, one news story. purringmaggot (talk) 21:23, 13 September 2026 (UTC)- Sorry for human error over dates I meant 70s to 1990s for some reason I always think it 80s was when ACLU filed lawsuit due article being from 1981.
- In 1978, three students attempted to escape from the residential treatment center, stealing a car and prompting a police chase.[1] That same year, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Juvenile Justice Advocacy Project filed a lawsuit alleging that students had been subjected to cruel and unusual punishment and denied constitutional rights. The allegations included censorship of students' mail and the use of polygraph tests and solitary confinement.[2] 1keyhole (talk) 22:38, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's one lawsuit, and you cited another lawsuit to verify "a wave of individual and class-action lawsuits". A court case itself is WP:PRIMARY which should only be used to verify simple facts such as its own existence, not to establish a broad trend. There's alsothis unsourced addition - if the text is based directly upon Doroshow and Leichtman, you've already used those sources in the same section so why not cite them here too, but if it's just your own personal analysis, that's textbook WP:SYNTH, is it not? purringmaggot (talk) 00:19, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- More to the point, the issue is that AI-generated content is not allowed on Wikipedia, and by adding AI-generated content anyway you are demonstrating that you either do not know about or are unwilling to follow the guidelines. Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:43, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- The exact wording 1. Editors are permitted to use LLMs to suggest corrections to their own writing, and to incorporate them after human review. This is limited to spelling, punctuation, capitalisation, grammar, and other simple mistakes. Editors must ensure that any text copyedited in this manner is still supported by the sources cited. 1keyhole (talk) 21:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- If people can tell that you used AI by reading the text that you added, then you are using AI for more than this. Gnomingstuff (talk) 00:41, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand what you are saying.
- Please understand that I am respectfully stepping away from this discussion and topic to take an extended break from editing. I am not in the right frame of mind psychologically speaking to deal with this, and I have hit my limit. Editors are free to adjust or rewrite the prose directly on the article as they see fit. 1keyhole (talk) 00:57, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Gnomingstuff, I'm only reading
Unlikely from this. This doesn't seem like it belongs at WP:AIN and can probably stay at either User talk:1keyhole or WP:AN. I know from experience that human readers can be quite bad AI detectors. If the problem is that it's unsourced, then you can focus on that rather than whether or not it's AI. AI is a cause of problems, but if the symptoms are bad enough, it is enough to prove the symptoms. guninvalid (talk) 07:53, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Please do not ping me to a discussion I responded to less than 24 hours ago. Clearly I know it exists, so all you are doing is deciding to spam me.
- Also, please do not condescendingly lecture me that
I know from experience that human readers can be quite bad AI detectors.
I know from experience that people will never trust or believe AI patrollers have experience in a skill (that is corroborated by research as a skill that exists and is possible to have), and thus maybe, JUST MAYBE, know what they are talking about. Gnomingstuff (talk) 08:09, 14 September 2026 (UTC)- I'm sorry if it comes off as condescending. I tend to reflexively ping people when responding, so I'll keep your preferences in mind in the future. guninvalid (talk) 08:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- If people can tell that you used AI by reading the text that you added, then you are using AI for more than this. Gnomingstuff (talk) 00:41, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- The exact wording 1. Editors are permitted to use LLMs to suggest corrections to their own writing, and to incorporate them after human review. This is limited to spelling, punctuation, capitalisation, grammar, and other simple mistakes. Editors must ensure that any text copyedited in this manner is still supported by the sources cited. 1keyhole (talk) 21:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- could someone identify the specific verifiability issue with each reverted edit? since there was eight items 1keyhole (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
- Turn-About Ranch (Oct 2025) had AIREDCAT, AIATTR, AIVOCAB ("emphasized"), overreliance on primary sources, will do more analysis later Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:14, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Noting that 1keyhole appears to have been trolling by using User:Sophisticatedevening/AI Cleaner.js on Troubled teen industry and an article I wrote (these were the only two). Looking at other creations:
- Wilderness therapy in the United States (March 2026) had AIVOCAB ("highlighting"), AIBOLD/AILIST, some AICURLY, lots of typical AI prose, + Pangram positive
- Special:Permalink/1187414451 (Nov 2023) had several spelling/grammatical/punctuation errors
- Disappearance of Daniel Yuen (June 2025) had AITITLECASE, it's all plausibly AI and has that impersonal/distant tone, but no other signs really, except for a partial Pangram positive , some spotchecks of ref #2:
...reportedly triggered by a breakup with his girlfriend.
is completely unsupported, it also doesn't say Raymond was hired by the family,searches yielded no conclusive evidence
is OR. Family Help & Wellness on the following day had AIREDCAT
- Pretty sure the start date wrt creations was June 2025, consensus needed for LLMPRODs Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:24, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I based the Disappearance of Daniel Yuen on event and similar Wikipedia articles for example
- Disappearance of Madeleine McCann
- Disappearance of Andrew Gosden
- This is a witch hunt
- [link dispenser Disappearance of Daniel Yuen] 1 out of 5 Could be LLM generated because it has http status code 402 which means Payment Required 1keyhole (talk) 12:42, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- adding quotes to referenceRevision as of 12:21, 31 August 2026
- quotation to reference Revision as of 12:35, 30 August 2023
- human rights abuse category Revision as of 00:52, 29 December 2022
- nanmed reference and quote Revision as of 18:19, 30 July 2026
- nces id to infobox Revision as of 15:05, 4 May 2025
- Noting that 1keyhole appears to have been trolling by using User:Sophisticatedevening/AI Cleaner.js on Troubled teen industry and an article I wrote (these were the only two). Looking at other creations:
- 1keyhole (talk) 13:56, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- 1keyhole (talk) 03:01, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Could you explain what you're trying to tell us with these diffs and links? I'm a bit confused. purringmaggot (talk) 03:38, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think they're saying that the links aren't hallucinated, either meaning the articles aren't AI-generated or they did basic review, which isn't really how this works Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:46, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Could you explain what you're trying to tell us with these diffs and links? I'm a bit confused. purringmaggot (talk) 03:38, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
Consensus for LLMPRV
[edit]See analysis above, support LLMPRV/LLMPRODs Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:15, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Writing articles with large language models - Wikipedia
- "The writing style of some editors may appear similar to the output of LLMs, meaning that the imposition of sanctions requires evidence beyond basic stylistic or linguistic indications. When evaluating possible LLM use, it is best to consider the full pattern of the editor's recent edits and whether the edits comply with core content policies."
- So where is evedince beyond basic stylistic or linguistic indications? 1keyhole (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- We're not imposing sanctions (i.e. a block), this is cleanup. But FWIW: red cats, WP:V failures, and the fact that your comments here and your creations prior to June 2025 had a load of spelling/grammatical errors, while none of your articles since June 2025 do, just to name a few Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:50, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- BTW I fixed Disappearance of Daniel Yuen the problem was you didn't read reference number 3. I added quote to citation and moved the reference it's position Special:Permalink/1375666992 1keyhole (talk) 06:10, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- We're not imposing sanctions (i.e. a block), this is cleanup. But FWIW: red cats, WP:V failures, and the fact that your comments here and your creations prior to June 2025 had a load of spelling/grammatical errors, while none of your articles since June 2025 do, just to name a few Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:50, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support LLMPRV. M kuhner (talk) 03:43, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support. Since they have marked themselves as Retired on User and Talk pages, as of this UK morning, (as well as removing past content) there isn't much option here. They were NPR too. ChrysGalley (talk) 08:10, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- LLMPRODs are done and tracking page created, exact start date is between 26 May and 5 June 2025, went w 26 May. Idk if we need to have a look at their NPP reviews? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:53, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I would like to redirect Wilderness therapy in the United States to Troubled teen industry, with one otherwise good source, from the American Bar Association. May I do so? Bearian (talk) 02:23, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I feel this is always an acceptable outcome. We seldom do it because we lack knowledge of appropriate redirect targets, and volume is too high to research them. But any time you have the know-how, please feel free to redirect. If you could mark the tracker as "completed" that would be very helpful. M kuhner (talk) 02:30, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
Done. The target already has the ABA source, which is reliable. The only concern is that a perfectly good article, Troubled teen industry, should not be "thrown out with the baby". It needs work, but not deletion. Bearian (talk) 03:18, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- It's a sad fact that many of these articles deserve to be saved, but it takes me hours to days to fix one, and we tag several hundred a day. Very happy to see someone stepping up to save a few of them. M kuhner (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- That article's okay, it's only 1keyhole's post-June 2025 edits that need removing/fixing, I've tagged it Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:17, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I feel this is always an acceptable outcome. We seldom do it because we lack knowledge of appropriate redirect targets, and volume is too high to research them. But any time you have the know-how, please feel free to redirect. If you could mark the tracker as "completed" that would be very helpful. M kuhner (talk) 02:30, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
References
- ↑ "3 Juveniles Apprehended After High Speed Chase". Daily Herald (Utah). September 26, 1978. ISSN 0891-2777. OCLC 52526615.
- ↑ "Provo Canyon School 10/6/1981". The Los Angeles Times. October 6, 1981. p. 2. Archived from the original on April 3, 2024. Retrieved April 3, 2024.
Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
2screeny2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The usual. High-volume AI editing since 2025. Warned in June 2026, said they would "be vigilant" (which is questionable on its own because what's there to be "vigilant" about? Are you not in control of your own actions?), does not appear to have actually stopped. Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
Unlikely. The spread of edits and pace of edits seem more "interested editor writing about their hyperfixation" than AI user. It's not impossible they're using AI, but I'm not seeing a smoking gun. Special:Diff/1374197013 in particular seems like the kind of extremely human mistake that every editor makes multiple times in their editing career, but which an AI user would either not make or not notice and correct. It's impossible to prove a negative, but they're at least being careful with the content they're adding, enough to go back and fix their mistakes. guninvalid (talk) 09:55, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I'm more skeptical than you about this case, @Guninvalid. The rate of recent edits doesn't strike me as necessarily inhuman, either, but looking at their most recent contributions, I see the following:
- Special:Diff/1374200412 gets the name of the list wrong (it's just 'Most Powerful Women', not 'Most Powerful Women in Business', and it's right there in the previous item and the citation title/url).
- Special:Diff/1374201539 mentions the retrospective being shown at three specific European museums. This actually is supported in the references—but neither reference mentions it happening in '2025–2026' (with en-dash). They only say it's being shown at Museum Ludwig in August, the Stedelijk Museum in September, and was previously at Fondation Beyeler.
- Special:Diff/1374198065 adds a Prizes section with three items. The first is cited to kids.kiddle.co, which gets its material from Wikipedia (and come on, does it really look like a reliable source for a grown-up encyclopaedia?). The second refers to the 'First Prize in Sculpture, Gabrovo, Bulgaria' when the Spanish-language source gives a more specific name: 'Kiter Peter Sculpture Grand Prize at the VI Biennale of Humor and Satire, Gabrovo, Bulgaria' (machine translation). The third gets both the prize title and the year it was given wrong, even though there's hardly any more information at the cited website.
- This is all very suspicious to me. Let's not write it off yet. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1364074360 includes two references: the first says nothing at all about Orlopp resisting the takeover, and the second mentions a negative statement she made about it but does not support the very LLM-typical
reaffirming the bank's strategy of remaining independent amid ongoing negotiations
. Additionally, the edit includes a red link to 'Bettina Orlopp', when there's already an interlanguage link to that page two paragraphs above. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 09:50, 18 September 2026 (UTC)- I have posted a link to this discussion on @2screeny2's talk page. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:19, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Asked them to reply, either here or on their talk page. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 11:08, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1363927774 adds one dubiously-worded claim (it was Starmer who announced the funding, though Reeves is mentioned in the article) and one absolutely wild made-up one (no mention of financial regulation reform or "£80 billion" in either source!). Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:41, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1370649752 links to the 2026 version of a list as a citation that Friedman was on the list in 2023 and 2025. Actually, it seems she's been included every year from 2020 to 2026, so this was faint praise!
- Okay, I'll stop for now, I really do have other things to do today. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 11:03, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have posted a link to this discussion on @2screeny2's talk page. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:19, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1364074360 includes two references: the first says nothing at all about Orlopp resisting the takeover, and the second mentions a negative statement she made about it but does not support the very LLM-typical
- I'm afraid I'm more skeptical than you about this case, @Guninvalid. The rate of recent edits doesn't strike me as necessarily inhuman, either, but looking at their most recent contributions, I see the following:
- There are chatgpt-derived links between Feb and June 2025 , only one stubby creation so large edits need analysis Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:52, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
User:SerChevalerie
[edit]SerChevalerie (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
SerChevalerie has been proactive about disclosing LLM use in edit summaries . I used these edit summaries to compile two lists of article creations at the case subpage: 1) articles created via LLM (n=89) and 2) articles partially composed of LLM-translated text from Konkani Vishwakosh, a free-use Konkani language encyclopedia which was scanned and uploaded on wikisource (n=98). My thanks to SerChevalerie for their consistent and proactive disclosure. Cleanup may be required however, based on an analysis of two of their LLM-translated articles I will add below. Also pointing out the recent thread User talk:SerChevalerie § Use of chatbots, where SerChevalerie helpfully answered questions about their use. Here , however, they mention they continue to use LLMs to "improve the tone of an article", which is unlikely to be covered by the exceptions at WP:NOLLM. NicheSports (talk) 05:47, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I took a close look at two of the Konkani-translated articles after having GPT Sol translate the sources (I don't speak or read Konkani at all). I had Sol translate both the scans and the transcriptions to ensure nothing was lost in transcription, which happened in one case. Of course there could still be an issue with these translations.
- Venkatamadhava sourced only to . This sparse article is a faithful translation of the Konkani encyclopedia. However, the subject is an 11th century writer mentioned in 2-3 short paragraphs in the source. The article does not come close to meeting notability guidelines sourced as it is
- Vishnushastri Pandit sourced only to . An interesting subject treated in some depth by the Konkani encyclopedia, I do not have the same notability concerns. However, this article is not just a translation. Some sections, such as the lead and the bullets at the end of Social reforms, are "original" writing and I suspect may contain de-novo AI-generated text. The article contains many NPOV issues and verification failures. Sample:
Known for his progressive stances and powerful oratory
bolded is non-NPOV and fails verification,he dedicated much of his life to advocacy for women's rights and economic reforms
all of this is questionable given source, and is SYNTH at best,the editor of Induprakash, a prominent newspaper
the translation I reviewed did not mention the paper's prominence (also, AI word),where he presented highly structured, evidence-based arguments
my translation did not mention this,While women's liberation and widow remarriage remained his primary focus
never mentioned,Pandit was a skilled writer, translator, and editor
NPOV issue, fails verification.
- NicheSports (talk) 06:32, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi. I have read WP:NOLLM and understand it completely. I also agree to any cleanup that may be required from the AI translations, as pointed out. I have myself done some cleanup for Vishnushastri Pandit. SerChevalerie (talk) 09:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- That article still has several unresolved WP:V failures, unfortunately. I thought about this over the night. There are about 190 heavily AI-assisted articles in mainspace. The two articles I randomly selected showed significant issues. It took me several hours to even investigate this issue, let alone clean it up. Assuming that each article takes ~2 hours to resolve notability, NPOV, and WP:V issues, we are looking at about 400 hours of community time (and this is very optimistic). The best path forward is LLMPRODs, but maybe with a twist. WP:LLMPROD#Requirements allows for use of the procedure if the article creator agrees to cleanup. Would you be willing to agree to LLMPRODs of these articles? The twist I was thinking of earlier is – if you want to "save" a few dozen to your userspace (ideally, ones that clearly meet notability guidelines), you can move them and work on carefully verifying all content, then moving them back to mainspace when ready. We will LLMPROD the rest. However, if there are any articles in the future that you want undeleted so you can "fix" them, you can made an undeletion request to one of the {{@AINBA}} admins, who I believe would be happy to do so. This approach is most considerate of community time, while also getting the problematic content out of mainspace and giving you a chance to preserve the articles you feel most strongly about. Lmk - but I'm hoping this can work out! NicheSports (talk) 20:33, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- I guess that works. Can you please share the list of articles and I will work on this over the next 1 week? Thank you. After that we can decide with one can be LLMPRODed. SerChevalerie (talk) 05:51, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- The lists are at the case subpage: Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-14 SerChevalerie. Take your time – let me know when you're ready. If you need more than a week no problem. NicheSports (talk) 06:29, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also, you should know that LLMPROD can only be used on articles where
the creator is its only significant contributor
. So any article that has had a few sentences worth of content added by another user should rather be tagged as {{ai-generated}} and left in place for cleanup. Ok, that's all for now. Thank you for the cooperation! NicheSports (talk) 06:47, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I guess that works. Can you please share the list of articles and I will work on this over the next 1 week? Thank you. After that we can decide with one can be LLMPRODed. SerChevalerie (talk) 05:51, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- That article still has several unresolved WP:V failures, unfortunately. I thought about this over the night. There are about 190 heavily AI-assisted articles in mainspace. The two articles I randomly selected showed significant issues. It took me several hours to even investigate this issue, let alone clean it up. Assuming that each article takes ~2 hours to resolve notability, NPOV, and WP:V issues, we are looking at about 400 hours of community time (and this is very optimistic). The best path forward is LLMPRODs, but maybe with a twist. WP:LLMPROD#Requirements allows for use of the procedure if the article creator agrees to cleanup. Would you be willing to agree to LLMPRODs of these articles? The twist I was thinking of earlier is – if you want to "save" a few dozen to your userspace (ideally, ones that clearly meet notability guidelines), you can move them and work on carefully verifying all content, then moving them back to mainspace when ready. We will LLMPROD the rest. However, if there are any articles in the future that you want undeleted so you can "fix" them, you can made an undeletion request to one of the {{@AINBA}} admins, who I believe would be happy to do so. This approach is most considerate of community time, while also getting the problematic content out of mainspace and giving you a chance to preserve the articles you feel most strongly about. Lmk - but I'm hoping this can work out! NicheSports (talk) 20:33, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi. I have read WP:NOLLM and understand it completely. I also agree to any cleanup that may be required from the AI translations, as pointed out. I have myself done some cleanup for Vishnushastri Pandit. SerChevalerie (talk) 09:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @SerChevalerie, you need to slow way down while fixing these articles. As I noted above, your clean up to Vishnushastri Pandit was incomplete and now you are "verifying" articles at what looks like a speed of one every few minutes, which means you are missing things. There are no shortcuts here. If you can't/won't take the time to go through every single line of these articles to ensure compliance with core content policies, I will pursue presumptive deletion of all of them under option #1.D of WP:LLMPROD#Requirements. NicheSports (talk) 10:58, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- As mentioned, I have already verified the AI output line by line before this. I'm only tagging those which I am confident about. SerChevalerie (talk) 11:01, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have demonstrated in this thread that
As mentioned, I have already verified the AI output line by line before this.
is incorrect, and re:I'm only tagging those which I am confident about.
I immediately found a sentence that failed verification in the first of your "cleaned up" articles that I checked. NicheSports (talk) 11:06, 15 September 2026 (UTC)- Accepted after our recent discussion. Give me some more time, I will do this more slowly. (This will take longer than a week.) In the meantime, I am okay with tagging the pages as "AI-generated". SerChevalerie (talk) 14:19, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm currently going through the articles. For the most part, the translated articles have very minor issues so I don't see why they should be WP:LLMPRODed. However, I am okay with temporary draftification of those articles I am not able to review line-by-line in the immediate future (next couple of weeks). I am currently busy IRL so will need a few weeks for the cleanup, which I am doing line-by-line. SerChevalerie (talk) 04:18, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Accepted after our recent discussion. Give me some more time, I will do this more slowly. (This will take longer than a week.) In the meantime, I am okay with tagging the pages as "AI-generated". SerChevalerie (talk) 14:19, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have demonstrated in this thread that
- As mentioned, I have already verified the AI output line by line before this. I'm only tagging those which I am confident about. SerChevalerie (talk) 11:01, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Curt1us
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This user seems to be expanding & writing new articles using AI with obvious WP:AISUMM, and content tagged as AI-generated by several users and as AI-assisted by Pangram. At least one of their articles (Shell Technology Centre Bangalore) has already been tagged as having LLM-generated text. They've also deleted at least three users' talk page messages asking about AI use without any real attempt to address the issues raised [1] [2] [3], so some further action might be necessary here. A few of their edits (e.g. on Chemelot) might be compliant with WP:LLMTRANSLATE however, depending on their fluency in Dutch which I'm not 100% sure about. Thank you all in advance for your help! Knypster (talk) 11:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Fermiboson reverted one of their large edits a couple days ago, which the editor reinstated: . They can somehow make multiple large rewrites/expansions within just a couple of hours, with and being made within 15 minutes of each other. And I agree AISUMM is on full display. purringmaggot (talk) 18:56, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- For that specific edit, I ran an automated check on it and did not find any implausibly human-made mistakes, so I let it go as a borderline case. It might be useful to get an admin in here to talk about LLMTALK first, as if it is AI, then the model/pipeline/amount of human involvement might be good/large enough that we won't get anywhere without the human participating. It is also not implausible that the summary itself is generated with AI but the edit is not, because I have seen a few cases of that happening, for God knows why. Fermiboson (talk) 23:25, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- not triggered any relevant edit filters, though they did add a non-existent template, and remove AI and COI tags . First creation was a 15 August translation from nlwiki which they effectively rewrote in . There second creation was an unattributed translation of which they edited and added a markdown codeblock. Chemelot (13 Sept) has several signs. I'll draftify the creations and give a final warning. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:27, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- A practical point: the affected articles are now materially less complete, less current, less well sourced, and/or less logically structured than the versions that were removed.
- I worked on these subjects because I know them intimately through my professional background, local knowledge, longstanding OpenStreetMap contributions, travel, field familiarity, &c. I would therefore appreciate it if other editors could review the previous revisions and consider restoring them, or reincorporating the material that improved the articles.
- The relevant drafts and revision histories remain available, and the articles are generally rather short, so their accuracy should be reasonably straightforward to assess. Curt1us (talk) 21:13, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
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I reverted this edit because of an expansion of the article with AI tells such as an AI sourced citation. I wanted someone to take a look at their other diffs though, because they don't contain the same blatant tells as the one I reverted. Jdcomix (talk) 13:56, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- The rest of their edits seem to be wikilinking and basic definitions based off of government sources. I'll drop a warn, but nothing left to do here. guninvalid (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Guninvalid, please either revert or make sure WP:V is met, these are definitions for relatively important articles. Also when it comes to TAs it's worth checking whether there are any more related ones, I can see that on the /16 for one of the IPs is this edit to a glocked user talk, same for the /16 here. Tbh I'm not that familiar w IP anti-abuse stuff, /16 is a wide range, but it doesn't look like a good sign for PAG compliance Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:47, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Obasi Ogbeyialu Precious
[edit]I've just draftified Sherie Margaret Ngigi for AI concerns. The rate of edits (large additions often only 2 or 3 minutes apart) seems inconsistent with human editing, and the edit summary of their second edit indicates a distinctly lower level of English than their next 100 or so edit summaries. They did say Yes, I am drafting content and pasting it into the edit box
on their talk page which partially explains the unusual editing rate and potentially the formatting issues, but the difference in apparent English proficiency is stark enough that I'm going to start reverting these (fewer than 5 edits in the last month means they're eligible for WP:LLMPRV).
I'll ping Idoghor Melody since they seem to be a participant in m:Nigeria National Funding Program/Idoghor Melody/Improving Depth and Source Quality in Nigerian Biographies. lp0 on fire () 16:02, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- made a tracking page Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:37, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Many of the edits have a typical edit-thon tag, in this case #IDSQNB. M kuhner (talk) 05:20, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Tipkorir
[edit]I came across this prolific editor on Kenyan football and found several articles that were G15-eligible due to multiple non-existent citations. (Others have just one non-existent citation and are thus not G15-eligible: Vincent Wasambo and Boniface Akenga, for example.) WP:AISIGNS are also present. I appear to be the first to have warned the user on AI use, but the user's creations are so prolific I think cleanup is in order. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:48, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- User likely continues to use LLMs; this expansion included two dead link sources with no archived version (, ). Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's incredibly disappointing, I've seen this user around a lot. I wonder how long they have been using LLMs for. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 16:30, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- the earliest chatgpt-derived link was in April 2025, they've not triggered other relevant filters. On their talk they promised to stop using LLMs, but appeared to continue using AI (?). Creation speeds are pretty normal AFAICT. Austin Oduor (Nov 2025) and several in August 2026 all had red cats, but vast majority of creations don't AFAICT (I found the August ones through doing an EIA with @Bearcat lol , but for the Nov 2025 one they corrected the red cat themselves). Could check through the ~150 articles at time of creation for red cats but don't want to. These are too stubby for signs to appear, spotchecks needed for WP:V unfortunately Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:29, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I had a look through Tipkorir's edit history. Cleanup seems the only choice! Some looks needing source verification too. Not everything in the basket may be bad, but given the pattern going back to at least April when edit got tagged as possible AI generated citations, a presumptive cleanup sounds like the way to go. NicoR8 (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
I just found a 2024 article which uses real references but they don't seem to related to the article. Might be worth checking if it wasn't AI generated, and investigate its creator's activities in more detail. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 08:34, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- It looks like the bulk of the article was added in this edit, and they weren't the creator. I'd have to look closer in the morning but it can likely just be rolled back. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 10:36, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
User:CockroachHunter
[edit]High rate of short content edits to a very wide range of articles. For example this edit just 2 minutes after a pervious edit from an editor that doesn't normally edit about football. Source selection is also all over the place. Dodged the question when challenged. Only started editing 31 August 2026 so should be possible to clean up with a simple mass revert.©Geni (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ridiculous rate of edits on a preposterously wide range of topics given the speed. I chose an edit at random, in the [[cement] article: This edit, which repeats info in the previous paragraph, contains a claim about cement being used in the El Tajin acropolis which the source does not support, in what to me is a very characteristic AI slip. OsFish (talk) 14:35, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- The source directly supports what I added to the text. Here are the quotes from the text of that source:
- 1. "...El Tajin displays advanced construction techniques as many structures have concrete slab roofs..."
- 2. "In the 8th century CE, the Pyramid of the Niches was completed and the huge raised acropolis platform of Tajin Chico was constructed. El Tajin was destroyed by fire and abandoned around 1100 CE or even earlier."
- What I wrote on the cement article is standard synthesis. Nothing points to LLM or not editing in good faith. Also, there are no "AI slips", and nothing is "characteristic". If there is something "characteristic" or "slipped", please @Geni @OsFish show evidence, not just "gut feeling". Thank you. CockroachHunter (talk) 18:03, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Your edit here seems to be added by LLM: WP:AICURLY and the extra spacing in the reference. Masterhatch (talk) 18:31, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Their very first edit is conclusive. It inserts a citation to The Conversation titled "The myth of the soulmate – how the word came into common use" but that article title only appears in the wiki article and the link in their edit actually goes to a totally unrelated article. -- LWG talk (VOPOV) 18:41, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Over at Two-party system, his 1st 2 edits were good. His 3rd reeked of AI. I reverted that 3rd edit and a few other recent edits from other articles that have clear LLM signs. Masterhatch (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for providing the quotes that show your source does not actually match the content it's cited for. OsFish (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- I reviewed all of their edits up through the end of Sep 3 and reverted/refactored obvious problems. Not all edits appears to be LLM, though all were bot-like. Some edits were constructive. Many consistent of inserting redundant and unnecessary prose, or adding citations that did not verify the content to which they were attached. -- LWG talk (VOPOV) 20:19, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I looked at some of the Sept 13 edits since that was the date of a muddled edit that cropped up on my watchlist. I would not recommend a mass revert because quite a few of these edits are valid typo fixes. LLM use is obvious - over 100 edits that day, all on different obscure topics, often only one or two minutes apart. Paul Matthews (talk) 03:53, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- edits on 11 and 13 September had markdown . I'd create a tracking page if there weren't the risk of more AI edits Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:45, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
Yucalyptus
[edit]User is mass dumping 5-10,000+ byte single edit article creations/expansions in rapid succession e.g. , which would be extremely difficult to do without AI. All of them tend to have a characteristic "AI-ish" writing style.Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yucalyptus (talk · contribs) chatgpt-derived links in Dec 2025 , Special:AbuseLog/42851871 (Nov 2025) triggered filter 1325 for a strong AI sign, creations need analysis Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:44, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- The Odyssey (1987 film) (July 2026) had a silly amount of red cats but no other signs really (quite stubby). Cowpasture Road (1 Sept) had AIATTR (
The Roads and Traffic Authority described it as a regional freight link between these industrial areas.
), all quite promotional for an article on a road. Pangram says (drumroll) AI-assisted . Special:Permalink/1306688629 in August 2025 has a spacing error in one of its cats. Euphorbia succulenta (Nov 2025) had AIDASH, plausibly AI + Pangram positive for AI-assisted (AFAIK "AI-assisted" here doesn't mean exactly that, just that the certainty that it's AI-generated is middling) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:14, 17 September 2026 (UTC)- Euphorbia succulenta also gives USDA zones that are not mentioned in the given source. M kuhner (talk) 04:15, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
User hadn't received any warnings for AI use so warned and notified. DraconicDark (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the warning. As I said, I have used AI for correction of my grammar. However, the overall content I've written is in my words, backed up by sources I have found and saved. Before creating an article, I gather sources and save them in my documents (i.e. my personal 'sandbox'), hence the 'rapid succession'. If grammar correction by an AI source is prohibited, I will stop of course. Yucalyptus (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Grammar correction is formally permitted. However, if you push your text into an LLM and ask for grammar correction, it will very often do more than that. A non-LLM grammar checker, which can't hallucinate new text, is much safer.
- Euphorbia succulenta has USDA zone information that I can't find in the source you cite: how did that happen? M kuhner (talk) 04:16, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I'll look for non-LLM grammar checkers online (some are better than the others). Regarding Euphorbia succulenta, I have no idea honestly -- I may have missed adding its source on its hardiness zone. I rarely forget sources and I always try to add them to backup the material I included. This source clearly states the USDA zone information. I may add that one if it is deemed reliable. Yucalyptus (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know this site and can't find any information on its policies in a quick search. There's a risk in such cases that the information is circular, pointing back at Wikipedia, or is user-supplied without fact-checking. You might investigate a bit more. M kuhner (talk) 01:24, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Unfortunately a lot of sites like this are now AI generated, generating info on lots of plants without checking the accuracy of the information to maximise advertising revenue. You have to be very careful to verify the quality of the sites. Regardless as to whether it's AI generated or not, worldofsucculents.com looks like a content farm optimized for SEO rather than quality. I would avoid it as a source. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:38, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Fair point. The website/source does look "off". As such, I'll remove the material regarding the plant's hardiness zone since it is, after all, unsourced (or no reliable source backs it up). Yucalyptus (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice. I'll look for non-LLM grammar checkers online (some are better than the others). Regarding Euphorbia succulenta, I have no idea honestly -- I may have missed adding its source on its hardiness zone. I rarely forget sources and I always try to add them to backup the material I included. This source clearly states the USDA zone information. I may add that one if it is deemed reliable. Yucalyptus (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Wikieual
[edit]User engaged in suspiciously rapid article creation yesterday some of the article show some obvious AI signs:
- WP:AIREDCAT: Hippodrome d'Enghien-Soisy
- WP:AIDASH: Pari Mutuel Urbain, Fédération nationale des courses hippiques
And a lot of these creations also haver high ai scores on GPTZero.
Pari Mutuel Urbain also has a page on fr-wiki, but this page does not appear to be a straight-forward machine translation.
I left them a message on their talk page about a day ago, but they haven't been online since. I'll draftify the obvious ones from yesterday, but their other work might also need a look
Giulio 22:32, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Took a 5-year break in article creation from 2021 to August 2026. EUCS (cloud computing) (25 August) had AIREDCATs, they've triggered no relevant edit filters. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for raising these points, and apologies for the slow reply.
- On the pace: each of these articles was prepared offline over several weeks and then pasted in section by section, which is why the saves cluster into a few minutes. The reading, the sourcing and the drafting did not happen in those minutes. Should I do it differently, please let me know.
- On tools: I used an LLM to ensure proper English spelling and grammar. Some spaced em dashes (WP:AIDASH) were introduced in the same process, therefore I will be cautious in the future to avoid such replacements.
- On the red category (WP:AIREDCAT), it is the name of the commune where the racecourse stands: Soisy-sous-Montmorency (as present in the article). I was thinking of creating such a category in the near future to reference all content related to this city. It was not an invented title, but I have removed it to take your comment into account.
- On the specific defects, I took care to make the modifications in the related drafts. Please let me know if they are OK.
- On sourcing, I would welcome spot-checks. The material comes from various sources, including Légifrance, the Cour des comptes, Base Mérimée and the racing bodies' own publications. If any statement fails verification, please let me know.
- I have several further articles in preparation. I will hold them until this is resolved.
- Thanks for your feedback. Wikieual (talk) 20:44, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you generate this talk page comment with an LLM? Fermiboson (talk) 14:31, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
@AnkushBharadwaj: has repeatedly made edits with very obvious WP:AISUMM. There are also plenty of textual indications, such as this talk comment and this dead-obvious article creation from 2025.
I PRODded Maheshwari saree as being entirely AI-generated (regular, not LLMPROD), and was met with this AI rewrite along with a PROD decline. The most obvious sign here is WP:AINOCOPULA, with "traces its origins", "are characterized by", and other avoidances of simple phrasing. Somepinkdude (talk | contribs), in solidarity 02:08, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- I warned the editor for now, since I couldn't see that anyone has informed them of NOLLM yet. purringmaggot (talk) 00:28, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/42833866 (Nov 2025) had markdown. AIREDCATs in National Handloom Day (Sept 2025, when they joined) which is their first creation, the others are similarly all obviously AI-generated (latest is April). Safe to assume practically all major edits are AI-generated. They're only edit in the past month was the PROD removal, so they technically are inactive, but I'm gonna wait to see how they respond to the warning/explanation Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 12:59, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user has issued this response, which I believe satisfies criterion 1C of WP:LLMPROD. I have accordingly tagged their mainspace creations for LLMPROD. Somepinkdude (talk | contribs), in solidarity 21:16, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- they say they want to rewrite the articles manually, but are still using AI for comments (according to myself and Pangram) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:14, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user has issued this response, which I believe satisfies criterion 1C of WP:LLMPROD. I have accordingly tagged their mainspace creations for LLMPROD. Somepinkdude (talk | contribs), in solidarity 21:16, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
Made tracker, since editor consents to cleanup. M kuhner (talk) 23:42, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Saiprakash9959
[edit]I've tagged an article Saiprakash9959's created for G15 deletion with AIREDCAT and various citation errors including a non-working archive url. User contested deletion with AITALK, then admitted to LLM use in Special:diff/1375235521, "I used ChatGPT to help with the wording of the comment and to review the sources.
" User's first article, Sanjeev (film) was initially created with AI Special:diff/1371442453. Claimed to have learned not to use LLMs Special:diff/1371738327 but this is contradicted by their most recent statement above. —BrechtBro (talk) 16:49, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/44978966 (27 August) had markdown. Will draftify their creations and leave them a message Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:23, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
New Democratic Republic
[edit]The New Democratic Republic article was largely written by an AI model, All sections are vaguely written and only tangentially touch upon the subject. The definitive proof of AI usage is the "Further reading" section, which fabricated a series of books and articles supposedly discussing the topic. Librero2109 (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- I can't see who created it for some reason , maybe it was done in userspace? There's nothing in the Move logs though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:28, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I asked the deleting admin if they can tell us who wrote it. M kuhner (talk) 04:36, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- The article was created by Berniesandals, who last edited in July 2025. I have no idea why its creation doesn't show in the logs. It was nominated for speedy deletion by DraconicDark. JBW (talk) 08:19, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- They created Houthi-controlled Yemen around the same time :( Special:AbuseLog/40265768 in March 2025 had a chatgpt-derived link (same time as the two creations already mentioned). Prior edits appear human-written (eg. Special:Diff/1266594477 on 1 Jan 2025), I'd put the start date at 2 March 2025 (feel free to double check) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:00, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- The article was created by Berniesandals, who last edited in July 2025. I have no idea why its creation doesn't show in the logs. It was nominated for speedy deletion by DraconicDark. JBW (talk) 08:19, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- I asked the deleting admin if they can tell us who wrote it. M kuhner (talk) 04:36, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
User:ManoiCMU
[edit]User engaged in suspiciously rapid article creation and subsequent editing;
For example Kad Suan Kaew was written yesterday at 15:09 and then completely re-written at 15:12, the article was further edited until 15:26 then Wat Si Rong Muang was published at 15:40
Other AI signs are also present: second reference on Kad Suan Kaew appears to be a broken link, WP:AIREDCAT in Wat Ban Kao and Suphrom.
Giulio 20:13, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- First of all, I will defend myself. I am one of the main editors driving the Thai English Wikipedia project. As a very experienced editor, I have full knowledge of Hallucination (artificial intelligence) and Wikipedia:Signs of AI writing.In the past, I have had no major problems with any Wikipedia policies, such as notability, writing errors, or translating from Thai Wikipedia articles. I have also never been banned for any reason. I have been a fighter in AfD discussions on Thai articles, and I have saved all the articles that I was involved in those AfDs. All the articles I have created fall under the notability guidelines, and none of them have been deleted. I have had no problems at all before.
- During this time, I have created several articles because I have had more free time due to my school break. If I use a large language model (LLM), my articles would be automatically expanded beyond what is supported by the references. My articles do not show signs of containing both WP:AIATTR and WP:SUPERFICIAL. Moreover, my sentences in the articles are directly supported by the references given, and you can easily verify them one by one. If you cannot read Thai, you can use Google Translate or ask one of the Thai native editors to verify the information in each article. If you find any content that cannot be verified, we can open a case on the article's talk page.
- You accused me of using AI here because I placed broken references that never existed or were hallucinated by AI, correct? Actually, reference 2 from Kad Suan Kaew is directly copied from the sources cited in th:อุทยานการค้ากาดสวนแก้ว. You can check the Thai Wikipedia article as well and determine whether it was added by AI or by editors. I used this reference in English Wikipedia for the retail floor area claim.
- Thank you for pointing out the reference. 5. I have checked the references and found that reference 5 was misplaced and added as backup. Reference 5 is also used for general history and facilities. I added reference 5 to another sentence as a "backup" even though that sentence already had another reference. You can verify the sources one by one. So, I may have forgotten to add a reference to this sentence, and I did not want to leave it blank beside the sentence. However, this does not mean that the information is fake or AI-generated. That information came directly from the Thai Wikipedia article. I use some content from Thai Wikipedia articles by translating it and mixing it with my own writing. I rewrote these articles because I translated content from Thai Wikipedia some of them. Sometimes, I did not want to use or add the page's edit history for attribution under WP:CWW, and sometimes the rough translation sounded like storytelling, so I rewrote it.
- You can also check the Thai Wikipedia article for this claim. To be sure, you can check this article (this is a source for the claim in addition to the Thai Wikipedia article) and for the theatre-related facts.
- I also have a source that directly supports the South Pacific opening-performance claim: . It says:
- โดยเฉพาะอย่างยิ่งโรงละคร “กาดเธียเตอร์” ที่เปิดตัวด้วยการนำคณะละครบอร์ดเวย์จากต่างประเทศเรื่อง South Pacific มาแสดง
- A close translation is: “Especially the Kad Theatre, which opened by bringing a Broadway theatre company from abroad to perform South Pacific.” So the source directly supports the claim that Kad Theatre opened with South Pacific and that the performance was presented by a foreign Broadway theatre company. Therefore, this is not AI-hallucinated information.
- If my content fails verification, you should add {{cn}} or mark it as "failed verification" and question me on the article's talk page first so that we can discuss it. Bringing me to the AI noticeboard is too strong and has reduced my motivation to create more articles. If I use fake information, then of course I should be warned.
- Regarding WP:AIREDCAT, this is very normal for me. I used test categories like this before AI was born (at the time nobody knew what AI was), and you can check my older edit history. I am also very lazy about clicking the preview button before saving.
- Please kindly review the Thai article before concluding that some of the content in my articles is unsupported, since some of my sources and content come from Thai Wikipedia. Thank you. ManoiCMU (talk) 06:56, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ping @DraconicDarkfor understand expalin. thank you ManoiCMU (talk) 06:57, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Can you please explain your process for Kad Suan Kaew? There are two edits minutes apart: at 15:09 you create the article, then at 15:12 you completely re-write it . Giulio 15:47, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- The first edit was simply the initial creation of the article, using a rough translation from the sources and the Thai Wikipedia article. I had gathered all the useful information, including minor facts copied from sources, and pasted it into a Note on my MacBook. I also had many different draft sentences prepared before creating the article on Wikipedia. Copy paste from my notepad is my method. However... I tested Gemini AI to smooth my rough translation version sometimes, but AI often made it worse by adding a superficial tone like attributed or showcasing or renowned and unnecessary overanalysis, making my version worse and more horrible. After seeing that, I chose not to use AI and instead write my own research using mixed content from different sources. AI is useless even for paraphrasing.
- If I felt that a sentence sounded strange or unnatural, I would replace it with another sentence from my draft notes or rewrite it. But...my browser also has Grammarly enabled for minor grammar corrections. To be honest, if you ask an AI chatbot such as Gemini or Grok etc.., “Hey, please create an article about Kad Suan Kaew for Wikipedia with refs,” and try it yourself, you will probably get a disgusting version containing fake information, unsupported expansion, unreliable claims, and possibly fake references or dead links. AI-generated versions can also have very recognizable sentence structures and wording. You should compare such a version with mine; they would definitely not be the same. Here are examples: https://gemini.google.com/share/c207c1190acb?skid=50f77144-1c03-4ea6-8da9-00e6b44399ac and the Grok version https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_7122d800-6b2d-4075-ad6c-7aad5af437c5 and the GPT version https://chatgpt.com/share/6aacb34f-9640-83ec-ac39-9b4b11840167.
- I have also reviewed many Thai Wikipedia articles created by other editors in drafts that were marked for LLM-style writing. I corrected them and successfully helped publish them in the main space. I am familiar with identifying paraphrasing produced by LLMs. For my article, there are no fake references, and you can verify the content sentence by sentence. If you fail to verify any content, you can ask me or raise the issue anywhere appropriate. And the Kad Suan Kaew article is now tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G15, with the reason, “References 2 and 5 are hallucinated.” Even after I explained that the references came from Thai Wikipedia and pointed out that the facts are not fake and can be verified through the pointed sources, the speedy-deletion nomination is still open. May I know why, and can I remove the tag now that I have fixed the issues? Thank you. ManoiCMU (talk) 03:55, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you have a premium version of Grammarly? Fermiboson (talk) 05:48, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also, I am slightly confused by
I have also reviewed many Thai Wikipedia articles created by other editors in drafts that were marked for LLM-style writing. I corrected them and successfully helped publish them in the main space.
Do you mean English Wikipedia articles about Thai subjects or articles on Thai Wikipedia? Fermiboson (talk) 05:52, 18 September 2026 (UTC)- Sorry for the late response. I was busy with my private job. I mean English Wikipedia articles about Thai subjects. You can see some of my cleanup work in Wat Rachathiwat and Draft:Suki Teenoi. I often clean up AI-written content in Thai-topic articles when I find them in the draft space. If the article creator does not listen to the concerns or reverts my cleanup work, I may propose the article for deletion. ManoiCMU (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also, I am slightly confused by
- The first edit was simply the initial creation of the article, using a rough translation from the sources and the Thai Wikipedia article.
- How much of your work is translation of Thai articls? Translation would explain the rapid rate of content creation, but at no point that I could see have you declared any of your work a translation as required for proper attribution per WP:TFOLWP. Giulio 14:22, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I understand that translating Thai Wikipedia content requires attribution under WP:CWW. I provide attribution when a large amount of my translated content comes from another Wikipedia article. You can see attribution tags on the relevant article talk pages.
- However, when the content is mixed with material from other Thai sources and my own writing, or when only a normal amount of content is translated, I do not add attribution. Here is an example of my attribution under WP:TFOLWP:
- Based on my experience with AI, most AI-generated content may appear to have sources, but those sources often cannot be verified because they are fake or do not support the claims. I have already stated on most of my articles that if a source does not support something I wrote, anyone can ask me for the source on the article's talk page at any time.
- Thank you. ManoiCMU (talk) 14:53, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Do you have a premium version of Grammarly? Fermiboson (talk) 05:48, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- chat-gpt-derived links in Nov 2025 , Yi Peng festival (Nov 2025) has lots of signs and a Pangram positive , it is clearly not a translation from thwiki's article. Looking at 2026 creations, Wat Ban Kao (15 Sept) has AIREDCAT, a bit of AICONNECT (
The site is associated with Khruba Chaiyawongsa Phatthana...
), Pangram comes back as human-written . There aren't many signs in the 2026 creations, spotchecks are needed imo Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:17, 18 September 2026 (UTC)- Sure... I already admitted above that I tested AI for a while, but after I learned that using AI is easily detectable on Wikipedia, I did not use it anymore, even for paraphrasing. You said that there were lots of signs and a positive Pangram result at . Actually, I created this section as a stub; however, another editor expanded it to the current version. You can see .
- For AIREDCAT, I already explained this above, but let me explain again. I added Category:Buddhist temples in Lamphun to Wat Ban Kao because the temple is located in Lamphun. Is this really such a big mistake? I did not add some unrelated category such as Category:Buddhist temples in Mars Planet. I added the category because the temple is actually in Lamphun. What is wrong with that? The fact that the category name does not include the word "Province" Category:Buddhist temples in Lamphun province do not automatically make it AIREDCAT. There is also Category:Buddhist temples in Chiang Mai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Buddhist_temples_in_Chiang_Mai), so I understood Category:Buddhist temples in Lamphun in the same way. Chiang Mai and Lamphun are both provincial capitals. I don't understand why Lamphun would not have a similar category for its Buddhist temples like Category:Buddhist temples in Lamphun. You accused me of AICONNECT with this sentence: The site is associated with Khruba Chaiyawongsa Phatthana. The sentence “The site is associated with Khruba Chaiyawongsa Phatthana” was not generated from an AI inference or invented by me. Thai-language sources identify Wat Ban Kao (วัดบ้านก้อ) as the main place of Khruba Chaiyawongsa Phatthana. For example, The Nation source describes and the old Wat Ban Kao as a former spiritual center and explicitly identifies it as the origin root of Khruba Chaiyawongsa Phatthana. Well, please give me a source showing that the monk is not associated with this place.
- To be honest, because of the monk associated with this place, I also created the Wikipedia article for Khruba Chaiyawongsa Phatthana after I created Wat Ban Kao, because I hate to see redlinks on articles that I created. I really feel you guys were trying to put me to a death sentence in court rather than focusing on the countless AI article creators on present-day English Wikipedia. Even if you guys take over 100 years to clean up AI editors, you can't possibly have enough time to take over 100 years and keep up your nice work, and i support it and trying to catch big fish. I already said above that I rewrite an article if my article seems to have a strange tone. Why would I use AI when I can write an article with 100% human tone? I have never used an AI paraphrasing tool like QuillBot (famous for human writing), even though these tools are easily detectable as AI writing. Btw, the Yi Peng festival article also passed the DYK process. At the time, the article was tested with Pangram and Copyvio, and every sentence in the article needed to be verifiable by the sources used. If a source did not support a single sentence, it would not pass DYK. I also faced questions about factual claims in the Preparation area , and I successfully passed all of them without any problems. If there are major signs of AI hallucinations in my articles, I am super ready and happy to accept appropriate action against me, and I welcome a warning if this is the first time. ManoiCMU (talk) 15:30, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Peoplelikeyoulikeme
[edit]Mark Holgate is clearly AI-generated per the tag by Gnomingstuff, and I suspect the editor's other numerous and ongoing article creations may be AI-generated as well. There are references in the editor's articles in which the information given is not fully supported by the sources used: so, for instance, in Chris Oh the "Artnet News" article by Katie White does not name the painting by da Vinci mentioned in the text, and the other "Artnet News" article by Eileen Kinsella barely mentions any of the content in the last paragraph of the article. Other editors more experienced in AI detection may be able to find more definite evidence.
I would suggest that LLMPROD might be appropriate, if other editors agree that there is a likely AI issue here. Dionysodorus (talk) 23:42, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
- tons of chatgpt-derived links in Oct and Nov 2025 , they also triggered filter 1325 for a very strong AI sign w Special:AbuseLog/40297290 in March 2025 ("underscores the importance of"). 63 creations since Jan 2023, Divided Publishing (Feb 2023) had AIREDCAT but also some weird errors that look human, also uses hyphens instead of endashes/emdashes. Zora (platform) (Jan 2024) was deleted in part for PROMO. What is going on w the square brackets in Special:Permalink/1157904631. Bob Glück (June 2023) had the unsourced
Bob Glück's body of work spans several decades and encompasses a wide range of poetic styles and themes. He is known for his innovative approach to language, delving into contemporary life and experiences of queer identity, unconventional relationships, narrative discourse, and moments where language, power, and desire fornicate.
. OCDChinatown (Nov 2024) had AIDASH, AICURLY, AIVOCAB, ridiculously promotional, probably SUPERFICIAL if I could stomach reading it closely, Pangram gives human-written though. Ughh Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:37, 18 September 2026 (UTC)- Spot-checking the refs on the user's latest article, Travis Boyer, immediately throws up sources that do not contain the information that they are cited for: so, for instance, source 8 does not mention the deCordova Museum, Rhode Island School of Art and Design, etc., and source 17 does not mention the subject's paintings on silk velvet (and does not even discuss the subject: his only presence in the article is that he made the image illustrating it).
- On the basis of all this, is there enough for consensus for WP:LLMPRV? Dionysodorus (talk) 00:40, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- They're inactive and I think there's enough evidence of LLM use for it to habitual, so meets WP:LLMPRV#Requirements and articles can be LLMPRODed, but we need to establish a rough start date which looks like it'll need WP:V checks of older creations. I should be able to do this some time next week (unless you fancy it, no worries if not) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:19, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, if we look at the user's first page creation in Jan. 2023, in its original version, we can see WP:AITITLECASE in the first section, and then an unreferenced sentence at the end of the first section and at the end of the second paragraph of the second section (is it an AI thing to have occasional unsourced sentences in an otherwise sourced text like that? I think I have seen it in other cases). A look at source 13 fails verification, since it does not mention the fact that his mother Patricia's songs are haunting and soulful, nor the length or format or platform of the album mentioned.
- So my suspicion here is that we need to go all the way back to the creation of the account in Dec. 2022. Dionysodorus (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sourcing that ends before the end of the paragraph is, in my experience, a tell, though not one mentioned in WP:AISIGNS. Especially so when the material could easily be attributed to sources already in the article.
- Thanks for the date info. I'll make a tracker back to the start of the era. M kuhner (talk) 23:22, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Pangram gives human-written, but it could be a false negative. Imo using hyphens instead of endashes/emdashes is a strong human sign, and shows up in Feb 2023. One WP:V failure is pretty normal unfortunately, though that one is somewhat typical of LLMs. Wouldn't be comfortable LLMPRODing based on this, but can do some more spotchecks. For Bob Glück (June 2023) the refs check out but a lot is unsourced. "Untitled" (Golden) (Jan 2025) reads like AI but a Pangram negative . Tbh I think the start date's closer to March 2025 when there was Special:AbuseLog/40297290, but irdk Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:22, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- They're inactive and I think there's enough evidence of LLM use for it to habitual, so meets WP:LLMPRV#Requirements and articles can be LLMPRODed, but we need to establish a rough start date which looks like it'll need WP:V checks of older creations. I should be able to do this some time next week (unless you fancy it, no worries if not) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:19, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
Possible AI usage by Whiskerpedia
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Courtesy link: User talk:Whiskerpedia
Request: Please hold this discussion on Whiskerpedia's Talk page, User talk:Whiskerpedia, until AINB is removed from semi-protected status. Relaying messages back and forth is IMO interfering with the discussion.
Whiskerpedia (talk · contribs · logs) is a brand new editor (30 edits) who started on 15 September, and has been rapidly adding content to about a dozen Quebec town articles, and appears to be editing in good faith. They have created >100kb of polished content on 9/16 in about eleven articles, making edits of up to 20kb creating polished-looking artice or Draft content without requiring a follow-up edit. I removed one 12kb edit to Brome, Quebec but it was reverted. They blanked the first message I left on their UTP but have engaged constructively with the second message I left. Collectively, Whiskerpedia's edits sure look like AI to me, as nobody can create content that fast, but they have a counterargument. I told them I'd bring this here so we could discuss further. Plenty of diffs in the Talk page discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:52, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- The counterargument looks like another AI edit. CMD (talk) 06:03, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
Housekeeping note: Whiskerpedia reports that because this page is semi-protected (news to me!), they cannot respond here. As they are here in good-faith, it would be nice if lurkers or participants here could check Whiskerpedia's Talk page periodically, to see if they have a comment they would like to have ported over. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:07, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
Material copied from User talk:Whiskerpedia as they are unable to reply here:
- Thanks, I appreciate you taking it to the noticeboard instead of just reverting everything.
- Unfortunately it’s semi-protected right now, so I can’t actually respond there myself. I did see the comment saying my last response looked AI-generated. It wasn’t. I wrote that response myself.
- I also want to explain the volume a little more clearly. I’ve been home sick all week, with a lot of time on my hands, and this is quite literally what I’ve been doing to keep myself occupied. I got interested in these local articles and just kept going from one to the next. So I understand why the amount of editing looks unusual, but there really isn’t much more behind it than that.
- It’s a bit discouraging that now that I’m trying to engage and explain myself, even that is being treated as further evidence of AI use. For now I’ll just follow the discussion and see what comes of it. Whiskerpedia (talk) 06:29, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
(copied by M kuhner (talk) 11:58, 17 September 2026 (UTC)) ➤ ported W's 06:29 signature by Mathglot (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- ChatGPT UTM param in Special:Diff/1375077880, this is not really ambiguous Gnomingstuff (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- "Yes, that part is true, and it’s what I was trying to explain earlier. I did use AI during the process, especially for research and finding sources. I wasn’t trying to claim otherwise.
- I also did remove the ChatGPT tracking part from most of the links because I knew that seeing "ChatGPT" in the URL would probably turn the whole thing into a debate about AI rather than the source itself. Obviously I missed one. In hindsight, I can see how removing it probably looks worse now that someone has found one, but I’m not going to pretend I didn’t do it.
- What i’ve been trying to say from the beginning is that using AI as part of my research process isn’t the same thing as asking it to write an article and then pasting that article into Wikipedia. That’s the distinction I’ve been trying, maybe not very successfully, to explain." Whiskerpedia (talk) 15:25, 17 September 2026 (UTC) ➤ ported from their UTP by Mathglot (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Mont Écho has bucketloads of AIATTR at a start. The utm diff has AISUMM. Wait a bit for verification analysis, but FWIW I don't believe them at the moment. Fermiboson (talk) 21:39, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
Contemporary newspaper coverage referred to Mont Écho when the ski centre was being developed in 1963.[6] Later accounts of the ski area state that the property on which it was developed had been known as Echo Valley, although the Commission de toponymie does not establish this as the origin of the mountain's name.
I mean... really?- Shockingly, however, I cannot seem to find any source-text discreptancies after combing through it with the machine and with spot-checks. There are a few really minor points, like the reserve covering "more than 78 sq km" -> source "nearly 78 sq km" in 2009, and the 2025 forest fire sources not mentioning fire remaining in the soil, but this is far below the usual discreptancies we see in LLM-generated text. I suspect some combination of source-finding and copyediting. But then that wouldn't explain the AISUMM... Fermiboson (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- "Thanks for taking the time to actually check it that closely. What you found is pretty much what I’ve been trying to explain. I do use ChatGPT a lot on the research side, especially for finding sources, pulling out the parts that look relevant and keeping track of things I still need to look into.
- On the Mont Écho/Echo Valley sentence, the reason it’s so cautious is that the sources don’t really establish the connection. One source already has Mont Écho being used in 1963, another says the ski property had been known as Echo Valley, but the Commission de toponymie says the origin of the mountain’s name is unknown, so I didn’t think it would be right to turn those things into a definite connection when the sources themselves don’t.
- The 78 km² point is fair... it should be "nearly 78 km²."
- I did check the fire point again too. The source attached to that sentence doesn’t support the soil part, so you’re right about that. There is an earlier Town of Sutton update that says the fire was very deep in the soil, so the underlying point wasn’t something I just made up, but I clearly attached the wrong update to it. That’s the kind of thing I can see happening when I’m moving through these articles as quickly as I have been, and I’ll fix it.
- As for AISUMM, if you mean the NAS Oceana edit summary itself, I was using ChatGPT around that edit for research and source-finding too, as I’ve already said. If there’s something specific in the summary that you think is particularly telling, point it out and I’ll answer it. I’d rather be specific about what I did than just guess at what you mean." Whiskerpedia (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2026 (UTC) copied from user talk by M kuhner (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- This is so confusing. That comment reads like Claude, but the source parameter is ChatGPT. And quite frankly, if it is a human, the human has clearly not read WP:AISUMM and also did not address the stylistic/copyediting concerns. Either we're being played professionally here, or Whiskerpedia should get a job in LLM ghostwriting.
- That said, I don't see anything blatant yet in terms of other core policy violations, so my vote for this one is rope. And in case this is one of those statistical rarities and we're talking to an actual human - the original quoted sentence isn't really encyclopaedic because it infers things from the lack of information in a given source, which is WP:Synthesis. Instead of attributing to vague "later accounts", etc. you should also either state explicitly what the statement is attributed to, if it requires in-text attribution, or just state it as a fact in wikivoice if not. Fermiboson (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- "Well I went back and read WP:AISUMM properly. I understand what you meant now. I had taken your earlier comment as referring to something specific in that one edit summary, rather than the broader pattern the page is describing. I can see why some of my summaries stood out in that context. I've already explained how I've been using AI on the research and source-finding side, so I don't think there's much more I can usefully add to the comparisons with Claude or ChatGPT beyond that.
- On the Mont Écho sentence, I do see the issue with the way I put those facts together. I wasn't trying to establish that Echo Valley was the origin of the name Mont Écho. I was actually trying to avoid making that connection because the sources don't establish it. But putting the 1963 use of Mont Écho, the later Echo Valley references and the Commission de toponymie's unknown origin together in the same passage can still make the connection look more meaningful than the sources support. That can be separated more cleanly. I also agree that 'later accounts' is vague and should either identify the source or be stated directly where attribution isn't needed.
- I also appreciated that you actually went through Mont Écho against the sources in detail. You said you expected to find the kind of source-text discrepancies you normally see in LLM-generated material, but after checking it closely you didn't find that pattern apart from the couple of relatively minor issues you identified. Now I don't think that settles every concern people have raised, but it was useful because it gave us something concrete to look at rather than relying entirely on how the writing appears stylistically.
- As I've mentioned before, this account is new, but I'm not new to Wikipedia. I've edited under an older account before and no longer have access to it. I've also explained why the volume was unusually high this week. I've been home sick with a lot of time on my hands, and most of these articles are about closely related places where the research overlaps quite a bit.
- I'm not planning to stop making substantial edits or creating articles, but I may space out some of the very large expansions for the moment so they're easier for other editors to review. If there are specific content or sourcing problems like the wording on Mont Écho, those are useful to identify and I can deal with them directly." Whiskerpedia (talk) 06:17, 18 September 2026 (UTC) copied from user talk by M kuhner (talk) 06:19, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
And in case this is one of those statistical rarities and we're talking to an actual human
- and we're talking to an actual human who is using ChatGPT for at least one thing, and whose text produced is also like ChatGPT, to the letter
- do people think we're stupid Gnomingstuff (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think you're jumping from “ChatGPT was used somewhere in the process” to “therefore these edits were generated by ChatGPT,” and I don't think the evidence gets you there.
- I've never denied using ChatGPT during the process. The UTM parameter shows that. But even WP:AISIGNS says that a ChatGPT UTM shows involvement, not that the writing itself was generated by ChatGPT. It specifically mentions things like finding citations. Wikipedia's own guidance also allows LLMs to be used for research and finding sources. So the fact that I used ChatGPT in one part of the process doesn't automatically tell you how every sentence in an article was written.
- The speed of my edits, the summaries and the style can obviously make you suspicious. Fine. But suspicion is still not the same thing as establishing that the article text was AI-generated. WP:LLM itself says some human writing can resemble LLM output and that you need more than basic linguistic or stylistic signs.
- And when Fermiboson actually checked Mont Écho against the sources, they said they weren't finding the source-text discrepancy pattern they normally see in LLM-generated material. They found a couple of specific problems, I acknowledged them, and those can be fixed. That's an actual check of the article And its sources. Saying the text sounds like Claude or ChatGPT is a much more subjective judgment in my opinion.
- The “do people think we're stupid” also comment bothered me for the same reason. It doesn't add anything to the evidence. It just makes anyone who doesn't immediately agree with your conclusion sound gullible. I'd rather keep this about the edits themselves.
- And, what I really don't understand is why you then started reverting the material while the AIN discussion was still unresolved. Fermiboson's position was “rope.” I wasn't blocked, I hadn't agreed to a presumptive cleanup, and I don't see where there was a consensus at AIN to apply WP:LLMPRV to all of these edits.
- Now, If you found a specific sourcing, synthesis, neutrality or other content problem in one of them, point to it then. That's something I think I can actually answer. But, if these were being removed presumptively as AI-generated content, then I think it's reasonable to ask what part of WP:LLMPRV you thought had been met before you started reverting them. Whiskerpedia (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2026 (UTC) copied from Talk page by M kuhner (talk) 21:46, 18 September 2026 (UTC))
- Mont Écho has bucketloads of AIATTR at a start. The utm diff has AISUMM. Wait a bit for verification analysis, but FWIW I don't believe them at the moment. Fermiboson (talk) 21:39, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
Request: Please hold this discussion on Whiskerpedia's Talk page, User talk:Whiskerpedia, until AINB is removed from semi-protected status. Relaying messages back and forth is IMO interfering with the discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M kuhner (talk • contribs) 21:59, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
Conversation is ongoing at User talk:Whiskerpedia and continues to need feedback. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:21, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Troy26Castillo
[edit]I rejected a draft with obvious AIATTR. They Immediately edited the draft with an AI edit summary Special:Permalink/1375350945 and resubmitted it, then replied with obvious AITALK Special:Diff/1375351879. They were warned of AI-use earlier this month, which they emphatically denied. I have just tagged that relevant article, List of awards and nominations received by BGYO, for G15. Kisseran (talk) 08:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I was able to find the sources for all three claims with a quick search. Is that suffice to then remove the G15, or are there still underlying problems?
- PeepeeDino (talk) 08:37, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Unless you followed the links given on the article, then no, because the links being broken has no reasonable explanation other than being LLM-generated, and those links have been on the page since the first revision. Kisseran (talk) 08:40, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, after "fixing" (properly sourcing it I assume?) the links, would the article then be fine? Or is the entirety of the article just a mess then?
- PeepeeDino (talk) 09:04, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- From experience, the best way to deal with an LLM-generated article is to delete the LLM text, read the sources (and add new ones as needed) and write a human article.
- Trying to fix the bad sourcing is more work than writing a new, clean article--speaking as someone who's done it a couple times and won't be doing it again. M kuhner (talk) 12:03, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Unless you followed the links given on the article, then no, because the links being broken has no reasonable explanation other than being LLM-generated, and those links have been on the page since the first revision. Kisseran (talk) 08:40, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Update: The G15 tag has been removed presumably by a LOUTSOCK Special:Diff/1375360217 after they rewrote the article again with obvious AI summaries:
Reviewed and corrected the cited references, replaced or removed problematic sourcing, verified award claims against the cited material, and copyedited the article for accuracy and consistency
andRestored concise group and career context to the lead, including the members, former name, debut releases and Billboard Next Big Sound achievement; retained the existing awards and sourcing revisions.
. They also posted on the talk page Talk:List of awards and nominations received by BGYO with obvious LLMTALK. On their talk page, they replied to my LLMTALK warning withPlease note that I have checked the references mentioned in the CSD myself and fixed the ones that had problems. The edits are visible in the article history. I would like to understand why the whole deletion contest was collapsed instead of the sourcing points being reviewed. Could you please point me to the specific guideline being applied here?
which completely ignores the fact that the relevant guideline is linked both in the collapse template and in my edit summary. Kisseran (talk) 16:39, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Eliezer1987
[edit]There is a dispute at Talk:Jabalia_refugee_camp#Discussion_regarding_LLM_use about possible use of LLM on a talk page. Pinging involved editors @Katzrockso and @Eliezer1987.
Further input from additional editors here would be appreciated. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:55, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping. English is not my first language. I write my points in Hebrew first. Sometimes I asked a tool to help turn them into English for talk pages, then I posted. I understand the concern about whole posts looking like llm written. From now on I will write talk replies myself in shorter English, without that step. Happy to answer questions here. Eliezer1987 (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for this commitment. Your English seems very good so I don't think translation tools are necessary Katzrockso (talk) 18:06, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed, your English is perfectly understandable. We'd rather talk to you directly with a bit imperfect English than going through a chatbot. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:18, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, but is it possible to know what is allowed? Or is it better to avoid using them on talk pages altogether? Eliezer1987 (talk) 08:05, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- It is better to avoid them altogether. Fermiboson (talk) 08:57, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, but is it possible to know what is allowed? Or is it better to avoid using them on talk pages altogether? Eliezer1987 (talk) 08:05, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed, your English is perfectly understandable. We'd rather talk to you directly with a bit imperfect English than going through a chatbot. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:18, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for this commitment. Your English seems very good so I don't think translation tools are necessary Katzrockso (talk) 18:06, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- This user has previously confirmed using LLMs in User talk:Eliezer1987/Archive 1 § LLM use. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:03, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/40025360 (Feb 2025) had a chatgpt-derived link (which is allowed). Creations all appear to be translations from hewiki, the time in between is normal AFAICS. Spotchecks probably needed, but they appear to have been reviewed (relevant guideline is WP:LLMTRANSLATE). Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:04, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Faraortho
[edit]Generative adversarial networks (GANs) for medical and dental education and Orthodontic mini-implants both appear clearly AI-generated to my eye, and score a 100% on GPTZero, though they do not appear to contain WP:G15able signs. At User talk:Faraortho the user denies that these are LLM-generated, and the user has reverted a draftification and been removing maintenance templates from the articles, so I wanted to come here and ask for input on what should be done. The notability of the latter of the two seems potentially plausible, but I don't know anything about dentistry so I don't want to say definitively. Appreciate any advice on what the best path forward here is. Pings to involved @Faraortho, @GhostInTheMachine. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Both are obvious enough to AfD, in my opinion. I'll leave you the honours. In the meantime please ping if the user makes any other creations and I'll see if I can build a case of verifiability failures, but these two are obvious enough that I don't want to spend the tokens on it. Fermiboson (talk) 05:11, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Both articles at AfD now, thanks to Wasianpower. M kuhner (talk) 04:51, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- pretty sure start date was 1 August, waiting Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:21, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
User:DrMatzahBall
[edit]DrMatzahBall (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
AITALK in Talk:Fuad I of Egypt and AISUMM all around. On mobile and will investigate further. Fermiboson (talk) 11:26, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- Userpage also obviously written by AI too. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 12:19, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- not triggered relevant edit filters apart from citing Wikipedia and adding unsourced content , no Paste Check, newcomer tasks though. Looked at large edits back to 15 August, nothing jumped out but haven't done spotchecks, uses semi-colons, Special:Diff/1369594679 does a weird thing w the percentage Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:40, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
User:RETR0kiT
[edit]RETR0kiT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Edits make mistakes that no reasonable human would make and other edits are mostly solely minor grammar edits. I don't believe the user themselves is an agent but I believe they are very heavily relying on AI to make their edits, which is fine for translations' sake, like his clearly AI replies, however Retr0 has already had an AfC draft denied because of suspected AI use.
If you look at his recent contribs, you will see three reverted edits that I flagged. The edit summaries were very clearly AI, and the edits themselves were simple grammatical edits except for the fact that they removed nearly all other page content. I can excuse that once as human error, but three times and two warnings? No human in my opinion would make that same mistake over and over again and respond an hour later to the warnings (with a clearly AI response) while in the meantime actively editing very minor grammar issues (that seemed served to the editor back-to-back and were not marked as newcomer tasks).
In my opinion, RETR0kiT is misusing AI and may damage the project if he is allowed to continue. Shield \\ |T| - |C| - Solidarity \\ 18:30, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I apologize for these errors and for the inconvenience they caused. I intended to make minor corrections, but I accidentally worked from an incomplete copy of the article and failed to notice that a substantial section was missing before publishing. The deletions were unintentional. I understand the concern, and I will carefully review the preview and diff before submitting any future edit. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. RETR0kiT (talk) 18:43, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- @RETR0kiT: you're not in any trouble, it's just better for you to be honest: are you using AI tools for purposes other than translation (i.e. queueing copyedits and executing them automatically, generating edit summaries, etc.)? I understand that you are an English-second speaker (do the Maltese speak a common language, or is it named Maltese? I'm genuinely curious), and using AI for translation purposes is perfectly fine, but undisclosed AI use for other things is generally discouraged.
- By the way, sorry for not notifying you of this noticeboard listing; I received other notifications immediately after posting it and it slipped my mind.
Shield\\ |T| - |C| - Solidarity \\ 18:49, 18 September 2026 (UTC)- Thanks, and no worries about the noticeboard notification.
- The language question is a bit complicated, but English is actually my first language. Malta has two official languages, English and Maltese.
- On the AI point, the answer is also a bit more complicated than just yes or no. I use AI a lot generally, but for Wikipedia I am mostly using my own tools rather than having AI generate and post edits for me.
- I have built, and am still building, my own local stack. My spell and grammar checker uses a self-hosted Qwen model through Manifest LLM Router, so I am not using a paid LLM for that. I tend to be fairly obsessive about grammar anyway, so I normally make the edits myself and then use Qwen as a second check.
- I am also building a small tool for finding dead links. It is basically an automation script made in UBot Studio, which is pretty ancient technology now. Codex has helped me with parts of the code, but it is my own tool. It is still manual at the moment. I open a page, click "find", and it shows me the dead links. I also use Scrapebox for checking links.
- When I am on my Debian laptop, a lot of this is easier because I can use more of my own scripts and command-line tools.
- So the short version is that I am basically a human editor with a fairly advanced spell and grammar checker, plus some home-built tools for finding dead links. I am not queueing AI-generated edits and automatically posting them to Wikipedia.
- If I get the dead-link tool into a decent state, I will probably share it publicly here as well. RETR0kiT (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- ...so yes, you are using AI to generate at least part of your edits. For various reasons, AI usage is prohibited on Wikipedia. A dead-link tool is probably a good idea, but generating front-facing text is prohibited. guninvalid (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am now rewriting all tools so that it uses no AI at all. It is not a big change. I was mainly using AI because I had not bothered to finish the fully mechanical version.
- I am going to pause editing for now, finish the non-AI web app, and then return to manual editing using a browser tool that has no AI component.
- The tool will basically work like an assisted find-and-replace. It will identify the dead link, look for the corresponding Archive.org snapshot, and present the replacement for me to review manually.
- Before I start using it, would you be willing to have a look at it and confirm that you are comfortable with how it works? I should have it live tomorrow, and I can give you a guest login so you can see exactly what it is doing. RETR0kiT (talk) 20:10, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- ...there already exists a tool to do that, you don't need to reinvent the wheel. See InternetArchiveBot. msk 22:49, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yup, saw that, I have a spare server for the next 11 months so built one that can run 24/7 using the api finding all the repairs first, then exactly where the new link should be, then builds it into a webui queue for me to manually work through.
- I get a list to work through each day, its been a good project for me. RETR0kiT (talk) 14:48, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- ...there already exists a tool to do that, you don't need to reinvent the wheel. See InternetArchiveBot. msk 22:49, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- ...so yes, you are using AI to generate at least part of your edits. For various reasons, AI usage is prohibited on Wikipedia. A dead-link tool is probably a good idea, but generating front-facing text is prohibited. guninvalid (talk) 21:37, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
GenAI college course from Spring 2025
[edit]In Spring 2025, an English course from the LaGuardia Community College had students learning how to incorporate generative AI in their academic research. A series of assignments from that course had students using generative AI to contribute to Wikipedia.
Although the course was over year ago and I don't think the participants should be punished for contributions they made a year before Wikipedia banned WP:LLMs, I am concerned about AI-generated content potentially still on Wikipedia as a result of that course. Many of the students created AI-generated articles that are still up, those being African American film score composers, Food Freedom Acts, Football economics, Transnational cinema in India, Wellness guru (the only one currently tagged for AI content), and Witches in popular culture. Should we delete these articles? Lazman321 (talk) 01:07, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- CCs: instructor @Doctorxgc and Wiki Ed liaison @Brianda. I would note that this is before the 2026 guideline change that banned LLM use in article writing. That being said, do the articles identified as problematic qualify for LLMPROD? Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt) (talk) 02:54, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, they can (and should be) deleted via LLMPROD. No LLM-generated text is "grandfathered" in, and the NOLLM guideline does not have a start date. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:47, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. I know that LLM text isn't grandfathered in, just wanted to clarify that the editors themselves should not be penalized based on the guideline. Accessedgrant (Epicgenius mobile alt) (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, they can (and should be) deleted via LLMPROD. No LLM-generated text is "grandfathered" in, and the NOLLM guideline does not have a start date. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:47, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- LLMPRODs done, cleanup is done except for African American film score composers which is tagged. Content farm was edited as well and now clean. There was also Adaptive fashion which was BLAR'd Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:08, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- nvm, the only other edits to that article were by the instructors ... Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:11, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- I and the other instructors are significant contributors to these articles, have assumed responsibility for them, and already worked to review and rework them last year. As such, I have contested and removed the the PRODs. (Since when do instructors not count as significant contributors?)--Pharos (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, (just reasoning wrt the LLMPROD) IIRC that article was the only one that had lots of edits by you guys, but they were still pretty minimal and it wasn't at all clear that the articles had been reviewed (ik WP:LLMPRV says "significant contributors", but it should really say "significant contributions from others" to be inline w WP:BANREVERT). Does that mean there are little-to-no WP:V failures or other PAG vios in them?
- Tbh I've been meaning to contact you about Talk:Artwork title#Use of ChatGPT, I wanted to do it in the most collegial way I could and avoid any drama/illwill, but we're here now ig. While experimenting did you use LLMs for any other edits/articles, and could you please give a list of them? (ofc WP:CHOICE applies and you don't have to, it would just save us a lot of time and reduce the possibility that edits you wrote yourself get caught up in cleanup efforts) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:45, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've restored the LLMPRODs, we don't keep AI-generated articles. Don't think that there is all that much leeway here when this was some kind of a course that was having students farm slop into the encyclopaedia. Not cool. ‑‑gurkubondinn 06:46, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, the whole point of the course was an experiment to work in-depth with students to review and correct the content they generated. The instructors' contributions were not purely in the edit history - we spent many hours with the students, and a lot of their subsequent edits came directly in response to our classroom feedback. It was not necessarily the most efficient use of time, but we wanted to do it right, and indeed to ensure that there were little-to-no WP:V failures. So yes, I think we certainly had multiple "significant contributors" involved, which is what is in the actual guideline.
- No, I don't think I used LLMs for other edits/articles that I've written myself in the last 4 years since Artwork title, certainly not without disclosing it at the time on the talkpage. The goal of the initial article 4 years ago was to try something new in a transparent way, not to go on a mass editing campaign. Pharos (talk) 17:00, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, none of that sounds consistent with the WP:NOLLM guideline, which I'm sure you've read but I'll repeat anyway:
The use of large language models (LLMs) to generate or rewrite article content is prohibited
. LLMPROD does not provide a loophole that allows you to generate content with an LLM so long as you rework it later. In fact, it is the opposite: LLMPROD requires you to affirm that the content you are trying to salvage complies with guidelines, which definitionally includes the guideline that content not be LLM-generated. Are you going to affirm that this content was not LLM-generated? Einsof (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2026 (UTC)- The LLMPROD tag has been removed again. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:35, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Pharos - if you are going to take on a LLMPROD case then the process is shown in WP:LLMPRVOBJ. And it's clearly has not been done here (a) because you simply removed the tags without doing anything more and (b) because problems clearly remain. So the very first thing I checked was Food Freedom Acts where under Purpose there is the sentence runs:
Proponents argue that expanding the freedom for entrepreneurs to operate home-based food businesses fosters small businesses, innovation, and economic growth by providing opportunities for self-employment and flexible work.
, This is then sourced to Alec, a caucus of like minded free-market legislators, who presumably would argue exactly as you have suggested, however they have not done so on the source provided. Instead, that source is to the wording of the legislation itself, effectively a primary source, which includes wording similar to the green quote. It's pretty obviously unchecked. Had the quote said "the legislation argues that..." then it would have been fine. At the moment the source says one thing, Claude (it looks like) has said something else. One can get Claude to repeat this mistake quite easily. Now, challenge me on this, but there were 17 other discrepancies of this sort, the wording that particular article is very LLM style, and since WP:NOLLM was implemented it really should not be in Wikipedia in my view. And disclosing LLM usage on the Talk page is not covered by the guideline, it's just banned with two narrow exceptions. ChrysGalley (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2026 (UTC)- As I explained, we already did this review more than a year ago, both through giving extensive feedback to the participating students so they could correct their own work, and also through direct editing by multiple instructors. Check out the edit histories! (Also, if you had read the talk page, you would see it wasn't Claude used.) From years of experience with Wikipedia course assignments, nothing ever turns out perfect, but as I replied regarding Kowal2701's standard of "little-to-no WP:V failures", I believe we have met that. Yes, this took many hours of manual work, very likely more than if no GenAI was used at all. But the point of what we did last year was to try something innovative in as responsible a manner as possible. As to your example from Food Freedom Acts, you seem to misunderstand what the cited page from ALEC is; it is not a piece of law passed by any legislature, but a model act directly from proponents. Pharos (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Pharos - Since that time, WP:NOLLM has been introduced, that is what has changed. I take all you say at face value, but the rules changed and were effectively retrospective. So while what you did was quite possibly OK for the time, it's not now. There remains clear evidence of LLM language throughout certainly the FFA article, and there is a flat disconnect between source and text. The impact on you - when in terms of LLMPRVOBJ therefore changes. At that point there is a process laid down which is not voluntary if you are removing tags on LLMPROD. I think you are disagreeing that it should have been labelled LLMPROD in the first place, as opposed to "it's LLM but I've checked it". In which case you need to come here or a similar forum and get consensus for whatever you are trying to do, or go through DRV. Instead, what you have done (but didn't mention above)? You have reinstated the article again! Where I agree with you fully is that one of the big problems of LLM is that you end up way spending hours more time than on a draft compared to a standard write up without LLM. As this case is showing. ChrysGalley (talk) 06:39, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- As I explained, we already did this review more than a year ago, both through giving extensive feedback to the participating students so they could correct their own work, and also through direct editing by multiple instructors. Check out the edit histories! (Also, if you had read the talk page, you would see it wasn't Claude used.) From years of experience with Wikipedia course assignments, nothing ever turns out perfect, but as I replied regarding Kowal2701's standard of "little-to-no WP:V failures", I believe we have met that. Yes, this took many hours of manual work, very likely more than if no GenAI was used at all. But the point of what we did last year was to try something innovative in as responsible a manner as possible. As to your example from Food Freedom Acts, you seem to misunderstand what the cited page from ALEC is; it is not a piece of law passed by any legislature, but a model act directly from proponents. Pharos (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, none of that sounds consistent with the WP:NOLLM guideline, which I'm sure you've read but I'll repeat anyway:
- I and the other instructors are significant contributors to these articles, have assumed responsibility for them, and already worked to review and rework them last year. As such, I have contested and removed the the PRODs. (Since when do instructors not count as significant contributors?)--Pharos (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- nvm, the only other edits to that article were by the instructors ... Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:11, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
User:TinaLees-Jones
[edit]TinaLees-Jones (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · Edit filter search · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · blacklist hits · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Google · StopForumSpam) is a globally locked user by an WP:OA in early September 2026. Many of this user's page creations appear to be AI-generated (or at least AI-translated), and some of the more recent creations have since been deleted through WP:PROD (e.g., 1). Is an LLMPROD clean-up campaign required? - Amigao (talk) 01:24, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- They have 26K edits, so we would desperately need a start date. M kuhner (talk) 05:28, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah this is another longterm familiar name that keeps popping up in searches
- Best guess at start date is ~January 2025. Maybe earlier into 2024, but most articles from then that I checked seem to be non-LLM translations. Gnomingstuff (talk) 07:21, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Potentially ~1000 LLMPRODs. Special:AbuseLog/40142053 (March 2025) triggered filter 1325 for a very strong AI sign, otherwise no relevant logs. While doing an EIA w Bearcat , I found Lexicon Insight (talk · contribs) who authored Zhang Shuguang (general) w a redcat, at a glance they seem fine though (looking out for coordinators etc). Proper analysis of creations needed Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:27, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
Over 2K even with aggressive filtering. I made a creations-only tracker which is still fairly appalling. M kuhner (talk) 13:57, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
De-prodding issue
[edit]I went through and prodded a lot of these (as, I can see, did M kuhner, Somepinkdude, and DraconicDark). However, HelenAtkinson2002 has been de-prodding many of them, and also marking a lot of others as "Completed" or "Unnecessary".
I have no objection in general to people invoking WP:LLMPRVOBJ, but I wonder if Helen is doing this with sufficient care. I am for instance concerned about this edit, in which Helen marks twenty-three articles as "Completed" without providing any reason or taking any action to clean up the articles. I am also not sure about the numerous cases in which Helen has deprodded an article (e.g. Zhou Jianmin) while removing material on the basis of "too much unnecessary material" (which seems not to address the essential problem: if the article is AI-generated, removing part of it doesn't make the remainder any less so...). I am also concerned about the cases in which Helen has deprodded an article on the basis of "seems like a translation of a zhwiki version", despite the fact that the two cases that I spot-checked (Gao Youzhen, Yuan Gujie) do not seem to be close translations of the Chinese versions but just AI-generated articles that are loosely similar.
Given this, I wonder if perhaps we should reach a consensus to revert all Helen's de-proddings and changes to the tracker. Dionysodorus (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support undoing the de-proddings. Noticed this separately in the edit filters, and I've asked the user in § AIN cleanup cases on their talk page. There's also some rather odd changes to the tracking pages. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:51, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, I read some articles with their contents and found that there was nothing serious about the LLMPROD issue. For each article, I wrote the evaluation and comments when handling it, such as "deleting some unnecessary info". Should I also need to rewrite such comments when "completed"? I did not find any other users need to re-write such comments again.
- Also would you make any comment on disambiguation pages such as Jiang Wei (disambiguation), Sun Qian (disambiguation), do you think such articles are relating to any LLMPROD issue?
- HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 11:54, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- If the articles created by this creator are deleted en masse, the disambiguation pages become redundant and so need to be deleted as well; so it seemed appropriate to prod them too. On the other hand, perhaps LLMPROD is the wrong process for that and I should have left the disambiguation pages and then tagged them under WP:G14 (where applicable) once the other pages created by this editor had been deleted. But in any case, disambiguation pages only represent a small portion of the articles that you have de-prodded or marked as approved, so this isn't the real issue here. Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 12:32, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also, I don't think it's beneficial to appeal hundreds of articles from LLMPROD simultaneously for their improvement. I did read and find that some articles have serious AI-malfunctions and should be deleted, such as some articles about Tibet (e.g. Nyingchi Urban Planning Exhibition Hall) and economy (e.g. Zhenjiang Economic and Technological Development Zone). But please give more time for user who know Chinese. HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 11:59, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- For sure, I'm very grateful for everyone's discussion on this issue. Moreover, previously, the efficiency of this user did indeed exceed the writing speed of Chinese users. And I don't think it's helpful to translate from Chinese wiki or other media into here under the current AI period. Besides, most of what she wrote actually came from reliable sources, mostly from Google Books. HelenAtkinson2002 (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ability to read Chinese is not necessary to know that these articles were AI-generated. We already know this: the problem with the articles has been identified. The solution is to delete the articles. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Fully rewriting the articles from their sources would be an alternative solution—but that’s not what you’ve been doing. This means that other volunteers on this board will have to go back through the articles you’ve marked as 'completed' and re-mark them for LLMPROD. Please don’t make more work for us. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- That is what I am doing now, and it is extremely tedious and boring. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:15, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Fully rewriting the articles from their sources would be an alternative solution—but that’s not what you’ve been doing. This means that other volunteers on this board will have to go back through the articles you’ve marked as 'completed' and re-mark them for LLMPROD. Please don’t make more work for us. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Also worth mentioning that this is not the only cleanup case that has been affected and may need LLMPRODs restored. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, I read some articles with their contents and found that there was nothing serious about the LLMPROD issue. For each article, I wrote the evaluation and comments when handling it, such as "deleting some unnecessary info". Should I also need to rewrite such comments when "completed"? I did not find any other users need to re-write such comments again.
- I have waded through most of the tracking page, restored a large amount of LLMPRODs and tagged dozens of pages that hadn't been tagged yet. Needed to stop now because the tediousness of trawling through this was getting to me. There's still ways to go, anything marked as "unnecessary" or "completed" unfortunately needs to be treated with skepticism. Som pages marked as "requested" have already been tagged for LLMPROD, but I think I've got most of them. Anything marked as ongoing should be pending LLMPROD deletion. Most of the remaining pages are down towards the bottom. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:57, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think I've now finished reverting Helen's marking of entries as unnecessary or completed: therefore, the tracker should no longer have entries that need to be treated with scepticism. The only rows that now need going through are the yellow rows in the bottom fifth or so of the page. Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 19:26, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Here is a list of the AIN tracker pages @HelenAtkinson2002 has been working through today. (I see @Gurkubondinn has already started taking a second look at these. Gurku or anyone else, feel free to edit this comment and check the pages off the list, if that's a useful workflow for you.)
Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-13 ColorProcessWikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-18 CountO-14Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-22 MoonLightAgrabah- Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-07-04 Filmman3000
- Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-21 1keyhole
Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-08-19 BytesDALWikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-20 FaraorthoWikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-08-28 SamAllrightWikipedia:AI noticeboard/2025-09-16 BookleoWikipedia:AI noticeboard/2025-12-12 WorldPeace888
- Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 16:32, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- 2026-09-18 CountO-14:
Done, restored one LLMPROD and reverted tracking page to last stable version. - 2026-09-13 ColorProcess:
Done, tracking page restored to last stable version. - 2026-09-22 MoonLightAgrabah:
Done, restored one ai-generated tag and manually reverted tracking page to last stable version.
- 2026-09-18 CountO-14:
- ‑‑gurkubondinn 17:12, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Have done Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2025-09-16 Bookleo (one article tagged) and Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2025-12-12 WorldPeace888 (Helen's assessment of one article was correct). Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 21:21, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Have also done Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-20 Faraortho (by actually cleaning up the article Helen marked as completed). Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 21:29, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Have done Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-08-19 BytesDAL (changed articles marked by Helen as completed to unnecessary, which is more applicable). Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 21:33, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Have done Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-08-28 SamAllright (Helen is correct that cleanup is unnecessary in the cases tagged). Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 21:41, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
Four more, in Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/2026-09-17 Anagabt. Three of them in an 18 minute period. I have looked at the articles: they are not blatant LLM, though they don't smell right either. Sources almost all offline. Helen changed some page numbers indicating that they (presumably) have access to the sources. They then bulk-updated the tracker. I have marked these as ongoing as it is difficult for me to evaluate them, though I have to say, in 18 minutes I doubt I could check all the page numbers and so forth for even one of them. M kuhner (talk) 03:38, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- You say "Helen" did this, but this is a different editor with a similar username isn't it - HazelAlbertSheriff? Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 10:48, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
Progress
[edit]I've just finished going through the tracker of article creations by this editor. Everything should now be marked as relevant, and all the articles that should be prodded should now be prodded. The only remaining "To-do" lines are disambiguation pages that need to be G14'd if and when the other deletions take place.
I suppose we could now create another tracker for pages edited but not created by this editor (which M kuhner previously left out of the tracker to make it more manageable), if we want to trawl through those as well. Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 21:05, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Maybe we could after the LLMPRODs complete, so those articles aren't interfering. The tracker can currently do created-only, but not noncreated-only; I could whump one up with Python code but I'd rather just wait.
- However it may still be too big. Around 1200 pages the tracker starts breaking down. (Tina has 26,000 edits, though many will, I hope, be before the LLM era, or tiny, or tagged in a way that allows them to be skipped.) For article creations we have sometimes used Xtools instead, but for regular edits I don't have a great solution. We could set the "only edits this large or larger" very high, but at some point you miss a substantial number of the problematic edits. M kuhner (talk) 00:04, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see – in that case, it definitely seems best to wait until the LLMPRODs are all deleted, as you say. Dionysodorus (talk | contribs) 00:07, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Persian Lad
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created Hui-Uyghur rivalry with user communication from a chatbot in AbuseLog/45160305, then immediately removed the chatbot communication in Diff/1375619515. Added the nonexistent Wikipedia:WikiProject ethnic groups to the talk page in Diff/1375619189 (AbuseLog/45160312).
Has edited since before free public access to chatbots, so it is unclear when the AI use began. ‑‑gurkubondinn 08:34, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- The correct Wikiproject name is Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups (capital 'E') so that may in itself not be a huge sign, but the chatbot communication (and the litany of other AISIGNS) is undeniable. ‑‑gurkubondinn 08:39, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/44658643 (July 2026) added a non-existent template. The other 2026 creation was Anti-Alevism in July which has AIDASH, AICONNECT (
...often historically associated with the Qizilbash groups...
), SUPERFICIAL (...Alevism has evolved to encompass diverse identities...
), redlink in a hatnote, a section startingThe Situation of Alevis Since the Formation of Turkey in 1923:
, AILEGACY (A pivotal blow..
), AIVOCAB (These events underscore a complex history
). In other words it's very obvious Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:37, 20 September 2026 (UTC)- What nonsense is this. I added that template myself shown in that link you provided. That addition had nothing to do with all with AI. I am a registered user, not an AI bot.--Persian Lad (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- we're not suggesting you're a bot, we're suggesting that you have used LLMs (eg. an AI chatbot) to write the content you then copy-pasted into your edits Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 22:53, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- What nonsense is this. I added that template myself shown in that link you provided. That addition had nothing to do with all with AI. I am a registered user, not an AI bot.--Persian Lad (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Sevageet
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
The usual, rapid article creations and large edits.
- Added markdown formatted links in Diff/1375662732 (AbuseLog/45161913) to Nita Ambani, four minutes after their previous edit to the same article.
- Created Hudo (Gujarati folk dance) in Diff/1375637099 (AbuseLog/45161084) with the ISBN 978-81-956774-3-6 that does not exist (and in violation of WP:CT/SA/CASTE).
- Created Garbi (Gujarati folk dance) in Diff/1375660532 (AbuseLog/45161832) in six minutes. Tagged it and sent it to draft space, where the
{{ai-generated}}tag was immediately removed in Diff/1375681385. - Created Mer Raas in Diff/1375660033 (AbuseLog/45161820) in four minutes. Sent to draft space and tagged.
- Created Dangi Nritya in Permalink/1375639588, with the ISBN 978-81-956774-0-5 in reference nr. 2 which does not exist.
- Produced the Diff/1374920821 edit (c. 2 kB) to Vaishali Harin Gohil in 29 seconds, which they created in Diff/1374920715 (AbuseLog/45123058) with a reference to a PDF file that returns an incomplete/wrong page instead.
- Created Indian Singers' and Musicians' Rights Association in Diff/1374668567 (AbuseLog/45110876) with an AITABLE, then added the paragraph in Diff/1374668926 in one minute, the paragraph in Diff/1374669173 in two minutes, and another paragraph in Diff/1374669547 was added in two minutes.
- Created Laxman Barot in Diff/1374511276 (AbuseLog/45104336) just 14 minutes after having created Maniraj Barot in Diff/1374509351 (AbuseLog/45104289), which has previously been deleted under A7.
- Created Lagan Geet in Diff/1374495487 (AbuseLog/45103737) with a CIRCULAR reference to Wikipedia (which is still in the current revision).
There is more, but there's so much of it that I can't list it all here. The user has made just over 150 edits, and some pretty substantial cleanup will be required. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:43, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing this out.
- Okay, understood. I’ll check the issues and sources properly and slow down with new pages for now. Sevageet (talk) 10:00, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- You need to stop using AI completely, it is not allowed on the English Wikipedia. It is prohibited by the WP:NOLLM guideline. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:04, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Edits to existing pages have been reverted. Do we have consensus to delete the created articles via LLMPROD? ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:43, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support LLMPROD cleanup. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Support. M kuhner (talk) 14:06, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- I've draftified their creations and left them a message. They've already reviewed a couple, which I've left in mainspace and need double checking (they're almost all stubs) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:50, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think that you forgot to update the tracking page? ‑‑gurkubondinn 08:45, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- tbh I usually wait until the mainspace redirects or LLMPRODs are deleted to update the tracker (other times I forget or leave it to whoever's going through the tracking page), should've done it for the ones needing re-review though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:15, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm Kowal's stalker, I follow him around documenting his destructive activities. :-)
- Want to point out that DVRTed just added "mark all red-linked articles as completed" to the Batch Edit mode of the tracker. Really helpful when LLMPRODs have been done en masse. M kuhner (talk) 17:34, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- tbh I usually wait until the mainspace redirects or LLMPRODs are deleted to update the tracker (other times I forget or leave it to whoever's going through the tracking page), should've done it for the ones needing re-review though Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:15, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- I think that you forgot to update the tracking page? ‑‑gurkubondinn 08:45, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
Suspicious paragraphs added to Ne Zha (2019 film)
[edit]All three accounts have only edited Ne Zha (2019 film) to add paragraphs exhibiting a few AISIGNS (see talk page) and haven't made any other edits since the day each account was registered. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:19, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Sajjadmrt
[edit]I haven't investigated AI use in articles, though @Joy has raised the concern on Sajjadmrt's talk page and draftified Draft:Nevenka Košutić Brozović for it. User responded with AI comments twice Special:diff/1375718750 and Special:diff/1375718750, and had previously responded with a suspiciously AI sounding comment -- Special:diff/1375176507 -- when I raised concern about unattributed translation in the article Maria Mayen, in which Sajjadmrt agrees profusely and says they understand. They've since created another unattributed translation: Krystyna Secomska, which even cite in his comment to Joy, while taking no steps to repair attribution in previous translations, of which there appear to be many. I think this raises the possibility that these articles could all be unverified LLM translations. —BrechtBro (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Regarding translation attribution: Maria Mayen has had a talk page attribution note since 16 September 2026, predating this report — "Translated content from German and French Wikipedia (July 2026); see de:Maria Mayen and fr:Maria Mayen for attribution." For Krystyna Secomska, I added the attribution note to the talk page once the concern was raised; I've since made this a standard practice for new translated articles and am happy to review older ones if specific gaps are identified. Saji • talk 09:51, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/44671751 (July 2026) had markdown. 77 creations since July (none before). I've given another warning and informed about LLMT and AITALK Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:49, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Regarding the July 2026 AbuseLog entry: this was disclosed and resolved at the time. I used an AI tool for the lead of one draft when I was new to Wikipedia, was asked about it directly by another editor, and admitted it immediately — see this conversation (17 July 2026). I was pointed to WP:NOLLM and have not used AI tools since. This was a single early incident from my first weeks on Wikipedia, already addressed and resolved two months ago, not an ongoing practice. Saji • talk 10:29, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
For the record, I was not notified on my talk page that this report was opened, as is standard practice for noticeboard reports. Saji • talk 11:27, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Violistic01
[edit]Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM. ~2026-51027-02 has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Violistic01, and Violistic01 has also been warned for editing while logged out.
Hi, I apologize if this is the wrong place to put this inquiry. On the Tico-Tico no Fubá page, I noticed a section (Tico-Tico no Fubá#Notable arrangements and performances) that struck me as potentially being AI-generated. The main tell is the "superficial analyses" ("highlighting", "offering", "emphasizing" etc.), as the Signs of AI writing policy page puts it. Looking at the editor who added it, Violistic01 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), I noticed other articles they created had similar tells. Examples of this include 12 Etudes for Viola and Havun Havun (medieval Armenian chant). I've linked to the first revision in both cases. The first sentence on 12 Etudes for Viola is nonstandard (explaining what the suite does rather than what it is) and the whole article seems to be "justifying" the suite's notability, with a "Legacy" section at the end that does so the most explicitly. The Havun Havun page is similar, using terms like "celebrated" and "praised" without citing them. Both pages also use curly quotes. Please correct me if I have done anything wrong. Serena Strawberry (talk) 21:58, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- They're blocked sitewide from iowiki for writing in esperanto (not the wiki's language), and from plwiki for creating content using machine translation when they don't speak the language. Special:AbuseLog/41117047 (June 2025) cited Wikipedia, but other than that they've triggered no relevant edit filters Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:36, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
- Serena Strawberry, you haven't done anything wrong: this is the right noticeboard and that's a nice clear report. I examined Tico Tico and certainly share your suspicions. I'll try to do a source analysis tonight. M kuhner (talk) 00:01, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Method for Viola followed by 25 Etudes (Bruni) (July 2025) had AIDASH, SUPERFICIAL/AITREND (
This aesthetic stance reflects a broader 19th-century sentiment that favored a more blended, lyrical sound and may also be attributed to the widespread use of small, poorly constructed violas at the time, often played by musicians with limited specialization
), AITITLECASE, AILEGACY + Pangram positive . They had an article G12'd for copyvio in Jan 2025. Special:Permalink/1237265743 (July 2024) reads human-written, La Catedral (composition) (April 2025, the next one after the copyvio) has lots of signs. Doing LLMPRODs and making a tracker Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:28, 21 September 2026 (UTC)- @Kowal2701: Is there a reason why an article created by this user - Marco Misciagna - hasn't been PROD'd yet? •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 19:56, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Requirements aren't met yet. The board is overloaded as usual, nobody has just gotten around to getting consensus for it yet. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:17, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. Which requirements? I also see the start date for this user set at 2025-04-01, but the edit which raised AI concerns (Tico-Tico no Fubá) was on 2025-04-07. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 12:07, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- The WP:LLMPRV § Requirements, either the user needs to be blocked or have stopped editing, or we can get consensus here for using LLMPRV for cleanup and deleting created articles via LLMPROD. Seems to have stopped for now, so a block is unlikely at this point. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:08, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. Which requirements? I also see the start date for this user set at 2025-04-01, but the edit which raised AI concerns (Tico-Tico no Fubá) was on 2025-04-07. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 12:07, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Requirements aren't met yet. The board is overloaded as usual, nobody has just gotten around to getting consensus for it yet. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:17, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Masterviol (talk · contribs) looks like a sock, the only 2026 edits are removing AI tags from Violistic's creations and attempting to fix them, same deal with ~2026-13234-35 (talk · contribs) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:38, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just reverted to your versions with LLMProds tags. I am sure the user will try to manually revert again. Is there anything that can be done to prevent this? •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 09:16, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- ~2026-51027-02 is the only TA on the /64, @Admins willing to patrol AINB: would it be possible to get a block of this TA? Thanks Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:53, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
Blocked ~2026-51027-02 as a sockpuppet of Violistic01, and warned Violistic01 for editing while logged out. — Newslinger talk 19:07, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- (btw we have Special:AbuseFilter/1408 which tracks llmprod removals and is normally patrolled, Special:AbuseFilter/1407 does the same but for AI tags and isn't patrolled) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:56, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's good! Hope the TA is banned. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 18:12, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Now removing LLMPROD tags while logged in and replacing the LLM-generated tect with other LLM-generated text, see AbuseLog/45193131 which added an AIREDCAT to the article.
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: I believe that a block would be appropriate to stop the disruption. ‑‑gurkubondinn 22:19, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Continued in Diff/1376288184 (added an AIREDCAT) and in Diff/1376288354. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:56, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- ~2026-51027-02 is the only TA on the /64, @Admins willing to patrol AINB: would it be possible to get a block of this TA? Thanks Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 15:53, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just reverted to your versions with LLMProds tags. I am sure the user will try to manually revert again. Is there anything that can be done to prevent this? •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 09:16, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701: Is there a reason why an article created by this user - Marco Misciagna - hasn't been PROD'd yet? •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 19:56, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
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- Violistic01 (talk) 21:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- This is obvious, obvious WP:AITALK. Somepinkdude (talk | contribs), in solidarity 21:20, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
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- Violistic01 (talk) 06:34, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: , @Newslinger:, this is getting a bit out of hand, please take appropriate actions. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 11:15, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Asked for a block yesterday. Let's see what happens. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I hear you and I am stopping all article edits immediately. I apologize for the high frequency of edits—I was trying to manually fix and rewrite these pages according to WP:NPOV and WP:V guidelines, but I realize I may have moved too quickly and caused disruption. I am stepping back from mainspace editing. I am fully open to feedback and I want to resolve all concerns properly. Please let me know how you would like me to proceed. thanks Violistic01 (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- just stop all contact with the site for a few days. Make that 6 months if you get blocked. | One Reaction was here. Got a complaint? 16:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Please don't increase the workload of other editors by disrupting the ongoing efforts to clean up your mess. Let us do what is required. You must realize the amount of time and effort that goes into this, the least you can do is stay put and thank the people helping. On another note, I do appreciate the type of content you are trying to add (classical music works) but using AI for it is the wrong approach. Please refrain in future. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 19:53, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi Violistic01, thank you for participating in this discussion. While the cleanup process is ongoing, could you please take some time to thoroughly read and understand the Wikipedia:Large language models page, the WP:LLM guideline, and the WP:AITALK guideline section? — Newslinger talk 00:33, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- I hear you and I am stopping all article edits immediately. I apologize for the high frequency of edits—I was trying to manually fix and rewrite these pages according to WP:NPOV and WP:V guidelines, but I realize I may have moved too quickly and caused disruption. I am stepping back from mainspace editing. I am fully open to feedback and I want to resolve all concerns properly. Please let me know how you would like me to proceed. thanks Violistic01 (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Asked for a block yesterday. Let's see what happens. ‑‑gurkubondinn 11:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: , @Newslinger:, this is getting a bit out of hand, please take appropriate actions. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 11:15, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Ticatsfan1999
[edit]User has been repeatedly warned about AI usage. Their latest creation New Orleans Hurricanes (currently tagged for CSD under WP:G15) exhibits multiple overt and blatant WP:LLMSIGNS. Needs some action at this point... Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:44, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- edits w markdown , most creations have been draftified (21 drafts), 1 live creations (PRODed), 600 edits and created a month ago. They've never made a manual edit to a talk page, have asked them to confirm they've read the final warning Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:46, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Avertcool and Hallucination article
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
A "major rewrite" which was reverted by Alenoach, contested, then tagged by Aitraintheeditorandgamer. With that back-and-forth, I think this warrants a closer look. —ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 03:02, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Worth giving a look at this edit as well (flagged by Pangram, unclear why half the article was removed in the rewrite). I reverted but it was reapplied by Avertcool. Other contributions by Avertcool don't seem concerning. Alenoach (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
Itsetsyoufree32 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I don't know whether their more recent article creations are AI, but their older stuff, e.g., Special:Diff/1207067237, absolutely is. (some of those older articles have subsequently been GAs, have not checked what proportion of the AI slop is in the GA version, but make no mistake, it started as slop) Gnomingstuff (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- No relevant edit filter hits. Their only creation started as Special:Permalink/1179675945 (Oct 2023), is that chatbot comms or just some tool I've never seen before? They've overwritten some redirects in Sept 2026 , Special:Permalink/1373810387 (8 Sept) has some errors. They've never been warned, so I've asked them Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:21, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's old wizard text Gnomingstuff (talk) 08:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have worked with AI agents in the past, but that was before March 2026, where I saw a guideline change was passed that people could be banned for generating articles using AI. Since that time I've avoided using it for generating text.
- The current state of the Washington DC Temple's GA is well written and backed by quality sources. During the review, the reviewer went through various sources that needed to be fixed and I corrected them by hand. If there are any mistakes in the article, I am happy to rectify them.
- I have been experimenting with letting AI find the sources for me, where I verify information from the sources before I post, (and where I type out the information it gives me by hand on a separate document), asking it to pull from articles to give details.
- Has the policy changed since March? Itsetsyoufree32 (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- That's old wizard text Gnomingstuff (talk) 08:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
AI sovereignty
[edit]Redwolf_Milkshake_Fox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Newish article from a user who seems to be posting a lot of LLM-generated comments on talk pages. Topics like this tend to draw proponents and are a little suspicious to begin with, but this one looks fishy to me. But it's short, so I wouldn't mind someone else taking a look. Thanks. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 05:11, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Same user posted WP:ANI § User:GeogSage, and Diff/1372928039 has two unicode characters 0xE63A from the Private Use Area unused block in the Basic Multilingual Plane. This user is definitely pasting AI-generated output. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:48, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- The content in the diff (which is a sandbox page) is copied from the source PDF (the link is at the top of the paragraph), so I can paraphrase it without switching windows. Redwolf Milkshake Fox 🦊 15:39, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Do you have a link to the PDF? I'm curious to see where these characters originate from so that I can understand it better. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:19, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, the link is on the top of the diff that you posted.
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/407164943_Structural_power_redux_geoeconomic_rivalry_in_a_networked_world
- If you are using automated tools to screen abnormal characters, I'd suggest manually checking other editors' work before making definite claims. Redwolf Milkshake Fox 🦊 19:38, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Do you have a link to the PDF? I'm curious to see where these characters originate from so that I can understand it better. ‑‑gurkubondinn 09:19, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- The content in the diff (which is a sandbox page) is copied from the source PDF (the link is at the top of the paragraph), so I can paraphrase it without switching windows. Redwolf Milkshake Fox 🦊 15:39, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:Diff/1370610075 (22 August) doesn't really have any signs other than title case, + Pangram negatives Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:41, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
Prodijal son
[edit]Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM.
Editor was given a notice about LLM use in March 2026 and warned in May 2026 but did not seem to respond to those notices and continued to create apparently LLM-generated articles. I would like help with evaluating whether there's a strong enough pattern to make some of the articles eligible for LLMPROD.
- Evaluated and tagged
- Not evaluated or tagged
There are many more earthquake articles, but my hands are tired. Dreamyshade (talk) 05:32, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- markdown in The Doll Master (2023 film) (Sept 2025) (the earliest potential LLMPROD), the next creation was in Feb 2026 which got G15'd. The article you draftified (Draft:Turborealism) was August 2026. Along with the analysis you've already done wrt the tagging, it seems safe to assume all post-2022 creations were AI-generated, doing LLMPRODs now, will create tracking page as well Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:49, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you, I appreciate it. I'll help with cleanup for articles not eligible for LLMPROD. Dreamyshade (talk) 16:57, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Done, sounds good! Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:09, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you, I appreciate it. I'll help with cleanup for articles not eligible for LLMPROD. Dreamyshade (talk) 16:57, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ladies and gentlemen, I am responsible for writing the articles in question. I assure you that every cited source has been verified and all statements are supported by publications. I state with full responsibility that no Wikipedia rules have been violated; all articles have been proofread, and the information is worthy of inclusion.--Prodijal son (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- So can you explain the blatant synthesis that I removed from Slava Veder, and the bogus references that led to Vitaliya Korniyenko's deletion? Rand Freeman (talk ⬩ in solidarity) 06:50, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you actually write all the text yourself, with no use of LLMs? Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 11:03, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Looks like you were warned twice on your talk page about LLM use, in March and May. I went through several of the articles and annotated specific potential signs of LLM use, including links to scans. WP:NOLLM includes not generating article text with LLMs, even if you check the sources. Could you also answer my question at Talk:Iakov Goldovskiy? Dreamyshade (talk) 06:17, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dear Sir, please watch your language. Wikipedia is supposed to be a space for friendly interaction. I have no intention of justifying myself to anyone. My only "sin" is that English is not my native language. Everything I did was done to make Wikipedia better. Moving an article to draft space is easy. Why don't you try improving it instead? Oh, right, that wouldn't make you a god in your own eyes. Anyway, all the best to you all, friends. Prodijal son (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Discussion about editor ItsMeGabeProductions split to § ItsMeGabeProductions. — Newslinger talk 02:10, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- Dear Sir, please watch your language. Wikipedia is supposed to be a space for friendly interaction. I have no intention of justifying myself to anyone. My only "sin" is that English is not my native language. Everything I did was done to make Wikipedia better. Moving an article to draft space is easy. Why don't you try improving it instead? Oh, right, that wouldn't make you a god in your own eyes. Anyway, all the best to you all, friends. Prodijal son (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
This issue is currently under review.
- ProjectAutomate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Same old same old, AI edit summaries, markdown, etc. out the wazoo; the pattern of editing has not changed since I pointed this out on their talk page and they said they used "a tool." (Why does no one ever specify what "tool" they are using? Why do people say stuff like "clearly I used a tool" as if they are stunned to discover their own actions?) Gnomingstuff (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for raising this. Yes I have been using AI to help with some edits. I honestly didn't see any harm in using it for things like finding grammar mistakes, checking sources and helping with wording, and I wasn't trying to hide that. I just didn't realise Wikipedia had become this strict about how AI could be used.
- I understand the issue now though and I'll change how I'm using it. I'll keep it to helping with research and checking things and write the actual article changes myself. Im happy to go back and look at any of my past work, or if people think i should stop contributing I'll stop contributing. As an Engineer for many decades I do appreciate good engineering and scientifically accurate data on this platform and do want it to stay that way. ProjectAutomate (talk) 18:40, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding. There's no need to stop contributing completely, just be aware that Wikipedia's guidelines don't allow the use of AI for wikitext; other edits are perfectly welcome. Gnomingstuff (talk) 23:42, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- We could really use an idea around what date you started using LLM. This allows better focused cleanup efforts and would be very much appreciated. M kuhner (talk) 23:51, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
Vasyatka1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I noticed many large, unnatural-sounding edits. All were sourced to obscure magazines, with no URL link. However, this edit to Psycho City included this URL, and little of what this editor included was sourced. I'm concerned that many of their large edits are AI. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:02, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
- no relevant edit filters of Paste Check triggered, needs a closer look. They've ~60k edits at ruwiki and commons, I would've thought it unlikely, but they have admitted to using AI for help w writing in English Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:14, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701: This edit was not supported by the source cited. I found a similar one yesterday, where the AI edit had little relation to the source cited. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- took a break on enwiki from May to Dec 2025, probably worth looking at edits from that time (they're all pretty small and adding reviews etc.) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:57, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Kowal2701: This edit was not supported by the source cited. I found a similar one yesterday, where the AI edit had little relation to the source cited. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Japem - cleanup needed
[edit]- Japem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I've issued them an (only and final) warning, so no action needed sanctions-wise, just damage control. For evidence, see contribution history but notably this unreviewed LLM instruction in edit summary, which explains the more recent formulaic edit summaries that appear to be copy-pasted from LLM output. Also explains this reference to "named refs" in an edit summary that is arguably deceptive: they're talking about replacing a source (Voice of Europe) as being a disinformation outlet (which is true); however they replaced it as a source with AmCham Bulgaria, which the LLM calls "independent". That's a HUGE stretch, ignoring that AmCham is the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the single largest business lobbying group in the U.S. and one that is directly represented by the State Department (something an LLM would likely not know because it's poorly covered; but I know because I literally used to represent them at the State Department). That's exactly the kind of error an LLM would make. Stylistically, their user talk also reveals interesting comparisons between clearly human-editing vs. clearly LLM-editing: compared to article space, their own user talk page lacks obvious stylistic hallmarks (en-dashes, rule of threes, etc), and shows significant disparity in usage of proper grammar + punctuation: all user talk page responses are single-word or short responses without capitalization or punctuation, e.g. "fixed"; and only on the seemingly human edits do they use hyphens vs. em-dashes everywhere else. Could use some help cleaning up after this user. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 00:14, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- What would you do about the Voice of Europe/AmCham edit? Both versions seem bad.... M kuhner (talk) 21:44, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah. Remove the whole sentence (or paragraph in this case), I guess? ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 23:01, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
Made a tracker: it's a massive number of articles for someone who joined in August! M kuhner (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- User blocked for continuing to edit with LLMs after final warning. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 20:55, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
Editor has been blocked from editing the mainspace (articles only) for AI/LLM violations.
- MoonLightAgrabah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The usual. Warned in May 2026 for AI use, replied with this clearly AI-generated response in which their chatbot stated that I have been using assistance
(why do people never say what tool it is?) and promised to ensure my editing process relies strictly on my own manual phrasing
. Then went right back to the AI usage, as recently as this month.
@Admins willing to patrol AINB: Probably at this point a block is advised Gnomingstuff (talk) 04:17, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I am not seeing a blatantly obvious example in the contribution history. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 06:58, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I quickly checked the references in this edit and found three that are nonsense: Seppala2014, Bayley2022 and Korkmaz2024. (Seppala2020 is okay.) The user’s userpage also looks generated to my eye, fwiw. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 08:32, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Art of Living Foundation indeed looks an AI assisted production. In addition to the obviously duff DOI on Bayley et al 2022, the whole framing is the typical way that LLM will attempt to meet notability / verification via selling the independent / peer review sources. Whole tone looks to have come very close to the organisation itself. I am tagging it as LLM. ChrysGalley (talk) 08:55, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- The edit summary of this diff on Gayatri Mantra names nonexistent policy:
Revised lead section for WP:NPOV and WP:SANSKRIT
- The actual pronunciation key for Sanskrit is located at Help:IPA/Sanskrit. — Gnome sort (talk | contribs) 10:53, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- That plus most edits have AI edit summaries, the World Meditation Day edits are a pile of WP:SUPERFICIAL, WP:AIVOCAB (the 2025 stuff), title casing, promotionality, the gamut. Even something as small as Special:Diff/1374196424, "revises tone" by inserting WP:AITREND (
contribute to the estate's overall landscape design
). This is not really an unusual case, plus, y'know, they outright said they were using AI Gnomingstuff (talk) 11:35, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
Blocked from mainspace. Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 12:05, 21 September 2026 (UTC)- Thanks. I needed some details to establish a record before blocking, but Chaotic Enby beat me to it. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Educatedblkman1914
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Inserted a chatbot block to one of their sandbox pages in Diff/1375994375 today, with AI use going back to at least 2025 when UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use were added to a sanbox page in AbuseLog/41191196. The AI-generated User:Educatedblkman1914/sandbox3 seems to outline where upcoming AI-generated are destined for. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:22, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I used AI to help me analyze and organize my 31 Sandboxes so that i could identify what materials i already had could later become articles, what needed to be developed further and what sandboxes were junk...Wasn't aware that it couldn't be used in Userspaces. Im just trying to work more efficiently. Im open to guidance and advisement Educatedblkman1914 (talk) 10:56, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi! The main thing to keep in mind is that you shouldn't be using AI to generate content destined for mainspace, even if it is currently in user sandboxes. Some elements of the "Mission Control" sandbox (such as
DO NOT turn Mission Control into another dumping ground.
) give the impression that it is part of an agentic workflow – if you are using semi-automated agentic assistance, I invite you to read Wikipedia:AI agents and the bot policy.However, while I wouldn't recommend trusting AI on which sandboxes could potentially become articles in the future, the main question here is how much AI was involved in drafting/writing the article sandboxes themselves. Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 13:15, 21 September 2026 (UTC)- Thank you for the clarification. My original response was specifically regarding blanking Sandbox 1 and turning it into “Mission Control.” Because I want credibility to matter, I want to clarify that AI did assist me with researching, organizing sources, and drafting/revising wording in some sandboxes, particularly #23 – the James Martin II biography.
- Knowing what you all have brought to my attention, I can see where things fell off the rails. I didn't have a clear understanding that AI-generated/revised article wording intended for mainspace was also an issue while it was still being developed in sandboxes/userspace. I see that now and understand that moving forward.
- Additionally, because I want to do things the right way, I am willing to review the drafts in question, their sources, and correct any missteps before anything makes it to mainspace. This is an embarrassing moment, but I'm willing to do the work to address any issues. Educatedblkman1914 (talk) 17:23, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Was the above reply performed using LLM? The English style is quite different to your first reply. ChrysGalley (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response, I wanted to make sure that I specifically addressed what Chaotic Enby asked. My original response was quicker than a professional response that i would use say at work. I did consult AI to get better clarification and explicitly ask "did our work cross the line based on the provided policy?" the response was yes, but the words are mine and they are sincere. At the end of the day, I just want to write about topics I care about, this is my outlet from the day-to-day grind and I'm willing to do the work to correct the mistakes made. Educatedblkman1914 (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- It comes across that you are relying on LLM to do things of which the human brain is quite capable. I greatly value your first reply, the second reply is not you and obviously so. Thank you for being candid, that is helpful, but except in 2 narrow exceptions (which clearly do not apply to you) LLM is flat out banned. The phrase "Our work" is separately troubling - are you a human? More than one human? the Royal We? Or is this really agentic workflow? Try to get a human to reply. ChrysGalley (talk) 18:10, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- editor to editor, I understand where you are coming from. In my professional, day to day life, I use professional language to write Employee memos, and Customer-facing emails all the time. I want to be here and I want to correct the mistakes that have been made. In my narrow-sighted view of trying to write a GA quality article, lines were crossed. I'm human, I made an unintentional mistake and let things get out of hand, BUT I WANT TO BE HERE...this is passionate educatedblkman1914. No Bot, no AI, just a wikipedian who made a mistake. Forgive me and let me be better going forward. Educatedblkman1914 (talk) 18:48, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well I'm not the right editor for doling out forgiveness, or indulgences for that matter. I cheerfully leave editor behaviour issues to the lovely administrators. My focus is eliminating robotic text, which is what you appear to be to be doing in a somewhat unclear, unexplained and odd way over multiple sandboxes. This is ultimately a project for humans, by humans, not robots. Now the good news is that you are clearly capable of communicating and writing clearly, so if you are able to do that in the project with zero LLM then that's good. Don't worry about the odd typo or syntax error, plenty of copyeditors will do that for you, and faster than a robot. But it would also be good if you could commit to never using LLM again and tidying up the previous robotic text, but that's your call, not mine. You may find this slows you down (but I am not convinced about that either) and more focus on smaller text changes, rather than great slabs of LLM-speak, but that, I hope, is a more rewarding editing experience for you. ChrysGalley (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- editor to editor, I understand where you are coming from. In my professional, day to day life, I use professional language to write Employee memos, and Customer-facing emails all the time. I want to be here and I want to correct the mistakes that have been made. In my narrow-sighted view of trying to write a GA quality article, lines were crossed. I'm human, I made an unintentional mistake and let things get out of hand, BUT I WANT TO BE HERE...this is passionate educatedblkman1914. No Bot, no AI, just a wikipedian who made a mistake. Forgive me and let me be better going forward. Educatedblkman1914 (talk) 18:48, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- It comes across that you are relying on LLM to do things of which the human brain is quite capable. I greatly value your first reply, the second reply is not you and obviously so. Thank you for being candid, that is helpful, but except in 2 narrow exceptions (which clearly do not apply to you) LLM is flat out banned. The phrase "Our work" is separately troubling - are you a human? More than one human? the Royal We? Or is this really agentic workflow? Try to get a human to reply. ChrysGalley (talk) 18:10, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response, I wanted to make sure that I specifically addressed what Chaotic Enby asked. My original response was quicker than a professional response that i would use say at work. I did consult AI to get better clarification and explicitly ask "did our work cross the line based on the provided policy?" the response was yes, but the words are mine and they are sincere. At the end of the day, I just want to write about topics I care about, this is my outlet from the day-to-day grind and I'm willing to do the work to correct the mistakes made. Educatedblkman1914 (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Was the above reply performed using LLM? The English style is quite different to your first reply. ChrysGalley (talk) 17:33, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi! The main thing to keep in mind is that you shouldn't be using AI to generate content destined for mainspace, even if it is currently in user sandboxes. Some elements of the "Mission Control" sandbox (such as
User:Harold9595959
[edit]Editor has been blocked site-wide for AI/LLM policy violations. Blocked for persistently adding unsourced material.
There's a chatbot block in Diff/1376003727 (AbuseLog/45179159) to Qamar Adegoke and in Diff/1376006404. Ignored my warning and continued editing the same article.
Created Lymore Gardens F.C. in Diff/1332787617 (AbuseLog/43165387) and Chay Tilt in Diff/1354703100 (AbuseLog/44233787), both with UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use. More UTM parameteres in Diff/1339467807, Diff/1345177164, Diff/1364150681, Diff/1364153216, Diff/1369977981, Diff/1369978247, Diff/1370926681, Diff/1370930726, and Diff/1370951270.
There is a gamut of warnings on their talk page about unsourced content in §§ January 2025, February 2025, May 2025, June 2025, November 2025, January 2026, April 2026, and June 2026, adding something called § Micronesia Football Federation Tournament to existing articles that doesn't seem to have been supported by any sources, copyvio notices, etc.
Denied AI usage in § LLM use on their talk page in May 2026. ‑‑gurkubondinn 12:48, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Blocked by ScottishFinnishRadish for persistently adding unsourced material. Not sure if the block was in response to this AIN post or if this user was reported somewhere else as well. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:08, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- That was fast, thanks a lot! WP:LLMPROD it is then? Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 13:17, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah.. This was a quite prolific user, there's over 3000 pages (got it down to ~2000 by filtering out anything smaller than 100 bytes) and 162 created pages. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:26, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- During recent NPP backlog work, I found and nominated two of User:Harold9595959's creations (Edward Hatt, George Lock) for deletion, and began looking at others in their history (latest AfDs today: Toby Holmes, Chay Tilt, for example; and I also draftified Adam Moseley), and am now thinking that many/all of their creations might need reviewing. Is there a process for cleaning-up such user's contributions? Cheers. Paul W (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- We tag all of them with WP:LLMPROD and delete them, more or less. If you think some of them could be saved you could draftify them, but from experience you will quickly get exhausted. Fermiboson (talk) 13:28, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- During recent NPP backlog work, I found and nominated two of User:Harold9595959's creations (Edward Hatt, George Lock) for deletion, and began looking at others in their history (latest AfDs today: Toby Holmes, Chay Tilt, for example; and I also draftified Adam Moseley), and am now thinking that many/all of their creations might need reviewing. Is there a process for cleaning-up such user's contributions? Cheers. Paul W (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah.. This was a quite prolific user, there's over 3000 pages (got it down to ~2000 by filtering out anything smaller than 100 bytes) and 162 created pages. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:26, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I didn't look terribly deeply into verifying widespread LLM use, the unsourced content after two blocks was enough for me to action without getting into the hairy edges around blocks for LLM use. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:50, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- That was fast, thanks a lot! WP:LLMPROD it is then? Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 13:17, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Lukeino Formation (Feb 2024) had AIREDCATs but no other signs. Palaeochersis (March 2025) had AIREDCAT but is a stub. Ernst Jean-Baptiste (June 2025) had a red cat, but is a sports bio so nothing else. So did Participation of non-top flight clubs in UEFA club competitions (July 2025), it's a table. Special:Permalink/1313887172 (Sept 2025) has citations like
[5]
w no link, but isn't a translation from anywhere AFAICT. First chatgpt param was Jan 2026. Spotchecks are probably needed to determine the start date unfortunately Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:44, 21 September 2026 (UTC)- Not sure 2024 is the start point, Special:PermanentLink/1266218693 (late 2024) fairly clearly not AI, grammatical errors + not doing stuff AI species articles virtually always did at that point in time
- Special:PermanentLink/1280998653 (March 2025), at least the last part of it, seems fairly clearly AI
- to further confuse matters, copyvio may also be in the mix in some places, like Special:Diff/1280408666 (also March 2025, outright admits it) Gnomingstuff (talk) 03:17, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
User:VirtualStoic
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Added markdown to The Three Little Pigs in Diff/1376003067. When notified of NOLLM in § September 2026 on their talk page, wanted to know specifically what part of that sentence or external-link addition [I believed] was AI-generated
and then claimed to have been editing for years, created pages, and made numerous edits
. The user has made 11 edits and created exactly 0 pages.
This might be a bad case of AITALK with hallucinations, which should probably be stopped before it gets out of hand. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:37, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- My suspicion is that VirtualStoic is not a native English speaker and is using AI translation software. They may not even be aware that the software in question is LLM-based, nor that this is the reason their edits introduce errors, especially to external links in citations. Their contention that they are a prolific long-term editor is probably because they are at the Slovak Wikipedia — see sk:Špeciálne:Príspevky/VirtualStoic. They are likely unaware that their history at another project has no bearing on their history on this one. • a frantic turtle 🐢 solidarity 15:33, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- It’s quite impressive that, while nobody has managed to create a reliable AI detector, @Gurkubondinngurkubondinn can apparently determine with 100% certainty from a single sentence that AI was used,lol. Also, when I said I had been editing for years and created pages, I was referring to my Wikipedia activity generally, especially on Slovak Wikipedia and not claiming I had created pages on English Wikipedia.English is not my native language, so yes, I may use language or translation assistance. That is not the same as inventing facts or sources with AI.
- If there is a concrete issue with the edit itself, I’m happy to discuss it. Otherwise, I don’t see much value in continuing speculation about how my English sentences were written... Guys, you’re wasting both your time and mine here when you could be dealing with actual bots on Wikipedia. VirtualStoic (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- The issue is that the AI translation software you’re using is introducing errors to public-facing pages. We’d like you to stop using that software for that reason alone, but we also have policies that prohibit LLM-based editing in general — and your translation software would seem to qualify. If your English proficiency isn’t up to editing directly in English and you feel you have to use AI translation software, then you shouldn’t be editing the English-language Wikipedia. • a frantic turtle 🐢 solidarity 16:14, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- I would strongly suggest that VirtualStoic be less blasé and more honest about their LLM usage. Whether you "see much value" in following our policies or not is irrelevant -- either you're going to follow them, or we will show you the door. Snarky comments and personal attacks directed at editors trying to clean up after you, is absolutely not going to help you here. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 23:07, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Tiny Particle
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Chatbot blocks in Diff/1376016651 to 1969–70 Aston Villa F.C. season and Diff/1376013706 to 1966–67 Aston Villa F.C. season. This user is the main contributor to these articles, so I didn't know how far back to revert without knowing when the AI-usage started.
There are UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use in f.ex. AbuseLog/44542081, AbuseLog/41938007, and AbuseLog/40543667. Have not read through all filter log entries yet. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:55, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/39999333 (Feb 2025) triggered filter 1325 for "rich history", in August 2025 they had a series of articles deleted for OR/GNG, a chatgpt-derived link was found. First chatgpt param was Special:AbuseLog/40543667 (April 2025), there're a ton of them since Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 17:53, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- Seems to be ongoing. There is an UTM parameter showing use of ChatGPT in AbuseLog/45190126 today, before the page was copypaste moved into article space. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:45, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I would posit that you are picking up a lot of false positives. How do I get the boiler plates removed from these articles. Tiny Particle (talk) 20:54, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you, or did you not, use any LLMs in the process of your edits? Fermiboson (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- My usage was in accordance with Wikipedia:Writing articles with large language models. Every single line of data has been manually checked and referenced to the match report.Tiny Particle (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- So I take it that's a yes, which means it was not a false positive. How did you use LLMs in your edits? Fermiboson (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- This would be an example of a false Positive. I get thousands of links from ChaGPT. That I used one of thousands as a valid reference is incidental. The reference is valid and at the time I would not have perceived it was an issue. I have been editing since 2007 so I've written a ton of material before ChatGPT and I think my edit history shows I have sufficient pride in my contributions to encyclopedic content to not want it polluted by AI slop.Here I asked it to reformat the table as there was no place to put a link to the match report. Now each match has a match report and each line of results has been manually edited to a reliable source. Tiny Particle (talk) 19:37, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- creations appear human-written to me (I looked back to mid-2025 and recent ones, there's some overbolding, but no other signs and several signs of human writing), I think what they mean is it's a false positive wrt to finding AI-generated content. I think this can probably be closed and archived if no-one objects? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:46, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- So I take it that's a yes, which means it was not a false positive. How did you use LLMs in your edits? Fermiboson (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- My usage was in accordance with Wikipedia:Writing articles with large language models. Every single line of data has been manually checked and referenced to the match report.Tiny Particle (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you, or did you not, use any LLMs in the process of your edits? Fermiboson (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I would posit that you are picking up a lot of false positives. How do I get the boiler plates removed from these articles. Tiny Particle (talk) 20:54, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Seems to be ongoing. There is an UTM parameter showing use of ChatGPT in AbuseLog/45190126 today, before the page was copypaste moved into article space. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:45, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Bwoart (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The usual: AI edits going back to 2025, complete with the usual AI edit summaries, filter log full of hallucinated templates, circular refs and such, a lot of typical deflections and silent removal of AI tags including one just yesterday. They have been previously warned for this and do not appear to care. Gnomingstuff (talk) 19:54, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
- notified them Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:43, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Did you use AI to determine if I used AI? It's a tool to speed up research and find sources. The information is all reviewed and sourced properly. Please refrain from throwing a blanket tag on the articles without verifying accuracy. If the references are repeated that article can always be edited later. I removed the tag because I go back and check to see if there may be "hallucinated" information. If the sources support the claim I remove the tag. If there is an easy way to find templates in Wikipedia let me know otherwise I use similar articles. Bwoart (talk) 14:42, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Bwoart, AI-generated content is prohibited on Wikipedia, it doesn't matter if the content is reviewed. And no, we detect such content manually. You can use AI to help with finding sources and research (WP:LLMRESP), but not for generating content Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 16:09, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
Please refrain from throwing a blanket tag on the articles without verifying accuracy.
- You're the one who needs to "verify accuracy" by giving a yes-or-no answer as to whether you used AI, which so far you have not done. Gnomingstuff (talk) 02:35, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yeshu972 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Special:Diff/1375385357 has one of the most blatant AI edit summaries I've seen in a year, and that's recent; the filter log is full of various hits for nonexistent templates, possible AI text, etc. Most of their recent edits are small/NOLLM-compliant copyediting, but not all are, they are being made minutes apart, and it's hard to tell at a glance the difference without going in and checking every one. Gnomingstuff (talk) 04:32, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- only relevant filter hit was Special:AbuseLog/43098688 in Jan 2026 but it's for a sign that gives high false positives (the others were actual false positives), non-existent templates are also from Jan 2026 onwards. No creations so ordinary edits need analysis Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 13:51, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Lanceloth345 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Editor has been blocked from editing the mainspace (articles only) for AI/LLM violations.
The usual. LLM edits (almost certainly AI translations) going back to 2025, which track the changes in LLM output perfectly over time -- compare AIATTR pileup in Special:Diff/1332360354 to AIASSOCIATION/database pedantry in Special:Diff/1375905137. Markdown Special:Diff/1295231943 (maybe elsewhere as a lot of this predates the filter), lots of filter log hits, canned AI userpage, their writing style elsewhere is quite different, e.g., Special:Diff/1293425628: created new page that was as redirect for a politician that it's not living, and not atached since gears before to Party that was create redirection
Claimed they are not using AI to translate in User_talk:Lanceloth345#August_2025 but I think this is clearly false. I also think that, even if they were, based on the evidence here it seems doubtful they have the level of fluency in English required to follow WP:LLMTRANSLATE.
Gnomingstuff (talk) 06:37, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry for this, but i have contributed in en Wikipedia as i have claimed at my talk page for different topics mostly covering Albania politics, biographies, ect, as per writing style, of course it differs it is not the same, is logically, as per AI writing before it happend two times and i have corrected and i stated. I don't understand this as long as i am one of the main contributors specially in Albanian politics area. Your claims discourages me to contribute further! As per politician that has passed away , he is notable enough and was important in Albania, anyway i respect yor concern. Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:42, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- P.S : You have a lot of warnings by other editors at you talk page for similar topics, you have to separate good faith edits and totally AI generated content. Thank you Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- AI-generated content is not allowed on Wikipedia regardless of good or bad faith. Gnomingstuff (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I say another thing if you read carefully not this. Lanceloth345 (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, it is you who have to answer questions, as it was not made at all clear whether you have or have not used LLMs and to what extent in the above reply. I understand that you denied AI use a year ago, in a period of time where your contributions were interspersed with near-certain signs of LLM use, so you were lying then, which is disruptive. In the interest of minimising the time wasted by all of us here, could you please be honest about the extent and timeframe of your LLM use and commit to cleaning them up without the use of an LLM. Fermiboson (talk) 13:17, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest i don't remember excately time when i use AI or in ehich articles, but i know for sure after i have warned by editor at my talk page, i haven't use AI anymore since than. Lanceloth345 (talk) 14:03, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have no intention to lie, as long as is my passion to contribute further in Wikipedia. Lanceloth345 (talk) 14:05, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, I clicked on one (1) article of yours and I'm already certain you're lying. Sounds like we'll be here for a while, then... (sigh) Source analysis incoming. (Also it's not LLMT, the corresponding Albanian articles are much shorter.) Fermiboson (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I repeat i have no ittention to lie...,i don't deny using AI,but i am pretty sure AI not used by me after that period, as per Albanian article are shorter is becouse in en wiki articles have more interest (in my opinion) that's why at en wiki are more longer as articles. Lanceloth345 (talk) 15:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- You are free to analyse sources for sure, and i repeat again i have no reason to lie, and i dont understand this method by you with (meanings) with no good faith discussion here, i am one of the main editors in Wikipedia regarding Albanian main topics, and i have no reason or itention rather than contributing here with passion. Lanceloth345 (talk) 15:27, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I repeat i have no ittention to lie...,i don't deny using AI,but i am pretty sure AI not used by me after that period, as per Albanian article are shorter is becouse in en wiki articles have more interest (in my opinion) that's why at en wiki are more longer as articles. Lanceloth345 (talk) 15:19, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, I clicked on one (1) article of yours and I'm already certain you're lying. Sounds like we'll be here for a while, then... (sigh) Source analysis incoming. (Also it's not LLMT, the corresponding Albanian articles are much shorter.) Fermiboson (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have no intention to lie, as long as is my passion to contribute further in Wikipedia. Lanceloth345 (talk) 14:05, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest i don't remember excately time when i use AI or in ehich articles, but i know for sure after i have warned by editor at my talk page, i haven't use AI anymore since than. Lanceloth345 (talk) 14:03, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- No, it is you who have to answer questions, as it was not made at all clear whether you have or have not used LLMs and to what extent in the above reply. I understand that you denied AI use a year ago, in a period of time where your contributions were interspersed with near-certain signs of LLM use, so you were lying then, which is disruptive. In the interest of minimising the time wasted by all of us here, could you please be honest about the extent and timeframe of your LLM use and commit to cleaning them up without the use of an LLM. Fermiboson (talk) 13:17, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I say another thing if you read carefully not this. Lanceloth345 (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- AI-generated content is not allowed on Wikipedia regardless of good or bad faith. Gnomingstuff (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- Indent. Now, a lot of these edits are inherently suspicious by formatting and timing alone - a lot of new article creations take half an hour, which I know I personally couldn't translate even a short article from zhwiki in half an hour, but also not so implausibly fast that it's an immediate gotcha. Some of them are also implausibly fast even with use of a chatbot, so timing is not the most reliable indicator here. And the formatting is of course never a definite sign. The sources, however - (and I've checked every single Albanian Wikipedia article and the ones in this list are the ones not sufficiently close for LLMT to be plausible so we're eliminating all possibility of errors originating from the Albanian versions of the articles, though that would also be a problem) paint a very different, or maybe similar, story.
- Bejkovë
- Sources in lede don't support the alternative naming "Bejkova".
- The geography section isn't actually cited to a source with geographical information.
- Whatever the cultural heritage section is. The sources do say what the article says in the strictest sense of the castle being there, but I would hesitate to call it supported in the encyclopaedic sense...
- Tatzat
- Sources check out actually, but I would be shocked if they managed not to here. The bolding speaks for itself, and the source choice is highly nonideal. Not a big issue if found alone.
- Ilva Tare
- Director of information and political nature of talk show not supported by source 4.
- None of the stuff about Euronews Albania is supported by source 5. The way the award is cited in the article technically corresponds to the report, although that may just be my layperson's eye, and it is definitely AI paraphrasing.
- Mr Selami is explicitly a cohabitation partner rather than married, according to source 8 (well, a gtrans of source 8 - the article goes on to say that
Also, no details are known about their marriage, whether legal celebration or wedding organization.
and I'm not really sure what this means).
- Marjana Koçeku
- Source 1 has a title paraphrase (
Neomalësorja, Europa dhe rrënjët
vs“Neomalsorja” që la Evropën për rrënjët e saj
) - I would hesitate to call what is described in source 1 "local development".
- Source 1 has a title paraphrase (
- Arbër Gashi
- Unsourced birth date (but we'll leave that to the side for now)
- 16 July 2024 date unsupported anywhere I can find.
- Source 2 is a 404. Wayback shows nothing archived at that url. Article does exist, though.
- Rita Petro
- Source 7's ISBN is wrong. It has the right checksum but wrong prefix for Albania, and gbooks gives no results.
- Source 12 has another title paraphrase:
Rita Petro rrëfen dashurinë me Latif Ajrullai
vsRita Petro tregon historinë me partnerin e ndjerë: Kapërcenim kufijtë për t’u takuar, prandaj është dashuri filmash
- Bejkovë
- Other notes: smells LLMTALK. Who the hell writes it out like that? Also some attempts to hide AISIGNs along the way if you look at edit histories.
- @Admins willing to patrol AINB: I don't know if this is enough for a mainspace block. I have more and worse if need be (the earlier it gets the worse it is), including v1 of the Flamingo Revolution article, but I'm not touching that in fear of trodding on unknown political toes. Fermiboson (talk) 04:57, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Articles are written not by an hour, are writtten in a timeline , saved in my notes than published, as per your concerns below i donr want to argue detailly about this, you have touched even Flamingo Revolution part! (most important topic in Albania).Personally i don't like this "judice" method by you, i ca mention you a lot of articles +,- by other editors that are not perfect even "smell" like AI or not notable enough here, but i don't function this way. Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:25, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Tatzat shows every sign of AI use, and a very different English from the sort you are using above. It was pushed into mainspace at the end of AUgust, when it would have been better, perhaps, to go through AFC. Did you, or did you not get AI assistance with that article? ChrysGalley (talk) 09:40, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ref #4 in Bejkovë leads to a 404 for me—does it work for you, @Fermiboson? I found that removing "site/" from the path fixed it, so maybe a website update moved the file, but since the ref was allegedly accessed on 20 September, this seems fishy to me.
- In , the language in that comment isn’t even the most suspicious thing—what’s more interesting is the contrast with Lanceloth345's comment just above it. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 09:43, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Good catch, didn't even check that. The URL definitely used to exist if you check on Wayback Machine. The Sept 21 snapshot shows a 404, so I think it'd be safe to assume it was also a 404 on Sept 20. Fermiboson (talk) 09:51, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
Blocked Lanceloth345 from article space for LLM misuse. See also invalid citation URL (including at time of edit) in first revision of Marjana Koçeku article. — Newslinger talk 01:13, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- Articles are written not by an hour, are writtten in a timeline , saved in my notes than published, as per your concerns below i donr want to argue detailly about this, you have touched even Flamingo Revolution part! (most important topic in Albania).Personally i don't like this "judice" method by you, i ca mention you a lot of articles +,- by other editors that are not perfect even "smell" like AI or not notable enough here, but i don't function this way. Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:25, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- P.S : You have a lot of warnings by other editors at you talk page for similar topics, you have to separate good faith edits and totally AI generated content. Thank you Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- TheBirdsShedTears (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
High-volume AI use at least since 2025; ChatGPT params in Special:Diff/1305991611; appears to be still editing, a lot probably could use LLMPRV Gnomingstuff (talk) 15:22, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- glancing at some creations, not seeing obvious signs, they don't appear to have been warned for AI use, I've asked them Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:23, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't see any of the usual AI issue stuff in their things, did a quick check. AFAIK using AI to research is also not a problem as long as you actually read through the whole source and use it only to support what's actually in it and not what chatgpt claims. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 00:43, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- I mean just to take a few examples of many:
- Special:PermanentLink/1355214892: Disclaimer on lack of sourcing, canned emphasis on association
- Special:PermanentLink/1355981327: Disclaimer on lack of sourcing, AIATTR, overgeneralization (
Contemporary accounts suggest that he served as a minister responsible for Border and Tribal Affairs in the early PDPA cabinet
cited to only one document that incidentally also does not mention that he was responsible for the border)
- Gnomingstuff (talk) 01:23, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- BLTSandwicher (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
This user is writing single shot articles at a high clip. The subjects largely seem notable; however, at least one has been flagged with an AI-generated template: Draft:NBA Entertainment League, Draft:Maryland Mustangs, Draft:New Jersey Swamp Dragons, Draft:Washington Justice (basketball), Draft:Washington Metros (WBL). - Wil540 art (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- I reverted their edits and declined the drafts, worth keeping an eye on Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 19:37, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- responded on their talk w AI Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:42, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
Nicky nella and Nick nella 2.0
[edit]Nicky nella (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Nick nella 2.0 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
See WP:ANI#Copyvios and LLM usage on Proposed acquisition of Warner Bros. Discovery by Paramount Skydance. Both blocked for persistent LLM use. WP:DUCK says they are the same editor though this was not checkusered. M kuhner (talk) 18:33, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
- This is so obvious that I don't think a CU is needed tbh. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:00, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm sure that was ANI's conclusion. M kuhner (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have led a lot of the cleanup efforts on the section of the article where LLM edits were most predominant, even before I formally made ANI aware of it. ViperSnake151 Talk 17:39, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- hey, sorry i may ask but did I missed something here cuz what happened? ~2026-51424-30 (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Nicky nella and Nick nella 2.0 were blocked for LLM use; this is a cleanup case which will find any remaining LLM edits and hopefully remove them. For the case that led to the block, see the ANI link above.
- If you are the editor who used those accounts, please be aware that blocks are on the person, not the account, so you should not be editing. If you want to be unblocked, file an unblock request (instructions are on the Talk pages of the blocked accounts). Posting elsewhere just makes things worse. M kuhner (talk) 07:15, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- hey, sorry i may ask but did I missed something here cuz what happened? ~2026-51424-30 (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have led a lot of the cleanup efforts on the section of the article where LLM edits were most predominant, even before I formally made ANI aware of it. ViperSnake151 Talk 17:39, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm sure that was ANI's conclusion. M kuhner (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Should ban the user for sockpuppetry. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 19:03, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Found another account that likely is avoiding the blocks: here. Laredo312-Oviedo512 (talk) 13:04, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, I only make human-created edits, I'm so sorry for what I did. Nicky nella 2.0 (talk) 13:06, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Found another account that likely is avoiding the blocks: here. Laredo312-Oviedo512 (talk) 13:04, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
Stockton High School (Illinois) signs of AI use
[edit]- signs of AI use Stockton High School (Illinois) by @Issac I Navarro
- LLM phrasing "highlights its importance" and Potential notes published in text reference/citation:[6][7]
- First edit 2024-08-23 23:20
- Total edits 12,038
- Unique pages edited 6,059
~2026-51227-54 (talk) 00:27, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- The line
"highlights its importance"
was added in Old revision of Stockton High School (Illinois). Issac I Navarro (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2026 (UTC)- 2024's still in range for AI (and that phrasing is more typical of 2024 than 2026), looks like it was added by User:Dfsjlk1 as part of a spree of article expansions (Newcomer Tasks strikes again!), several of which (e.g. Special:Diff/1241459378) also seem like AI Gnomingstuff (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Gnomingstuff, I am looking at that history section, and while this may bring the article down to a stub class, I think most if not all of it could be WP:RMV. Issac I Navarro (talk) 03:18, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Somehow I missed that Dfsjlk1's userpage outright says "edits are ai-assisted" so yeah Gnomingstuff (talk) 05:00, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Gnomingstuff, I am looking at that history section, and while this may bring the article down to a stub class, I think most if not all of it could be WP:RMV. Issac I Navarro (talk) 03:18, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- 2024's still in range for AI (and that phrasing is more typical of 2024 than 2026), looks like it was added by User:Dfsjlk1 as part of a spree of article expansions (Newcomer Tasks strikes again!), several of which (e.g. Special:Diff/1241459378) also seem like AI Gnomingstuff (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Special:AbuseLog/39693065 and Special:AbuseLog/44139977 triggered filter 1325. Special:Permalink/1258533023 (Nov 2024) had markdown link and red cat. LLM use appears to stop early- to mid-2025, @Issac I Navarro?
- For Dfsjlk1 Special:AbuseLog/38521674 (August 2024) cited Wikipedia, only live creation is Leif Erickson Park (Sept 2024) which had a category that was deleted 6 years ago, AITITLECASE, AILIST, mostly unsourced, AITREND (
as part of the City of Saskatoon’s broader efforts to revitalize local parks
), AIVOCAB ("highlights"), AI-tagged by Gnoming in Jan; LLMPRODed. Active from March 2024 to Jan 2025, see Special:Diff/1241078886 (their first large edit) Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:49, 23 September 2026 (UTC)- @Kowal2701, I joined in February 2024, and if you look at many of my earliest of edits, you’ll see that they contain quite a mountain of mistakes. All me, trying and failing to contribute.
- Of course that is no longer the case, I have since tried to go back and rectify many mistakes I made when I was WP:NOOB. That is partly why I joined WikiProject Schools, since many of my first edits were related to schools articles that I unfortunately mucked up because I really didn't know what I was doing. And probably gave too many overly kind editors a headache.
- That is why, I always assume good faith with others as there was a time when I had no clue but wanted to contribute. It is just unfortunate that many of my earliest ones are kinda of nonsense; looking back.
- There is also: https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Issac%20I%20Navarro/all and Issac I Navarro (talk) 12:15, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- HistorianSemiAmateur (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Markdown in Special:Diff/1369663455 (the links), paste check flags, and AISIGNS consistent with date, small sampling:
- Special:Diff/1322623633 - canned emphasis on significance/superficial analyses, AIVOCAB density (2024-25)
- these edits - disclaimer on lack of sourcing, canned emphasis on broader trends
(Note: According to their user talk page their account got hacked at some point, I don't know what's going on with that, but it appears unrelated.) Gnomingstuff (talk) 02:42, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- earliest Paste Check is 22 July, on 2 Feb they removed a tag you added (Special:Diff/1336156314) to an article they wrote in Nov 2025 Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:31, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi guys,
- No AI has been used in any content editing.
- I grew up in Somerset East, went to Gill College. Its a small town in the middle of the eastern cape province of south africa, the wikipedia entry is important for the local townsfolk, and a lot of the information comes from either personal experiences or from that of the inhabitants. HistorianSemiAmateur (talk) 11:20, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- @HistorianSemiAmateur - thanks for joining up here, but are you aware that writing up information from personal experiences, as opposed to reliably sourced, is not permitted? ChrysGalley (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Highlight where I wrote up on personal experiences? The article covers the formation of Somerset East some 200 years ago. I am 60. There is hardly any overlap, is there?! But, for example, the publication by Jakes Gerwel on Nojoli is mentioned nowhere on the web and is hidden obscurely on the Foundations website. . Yet, folk who lived through the recent namechange, contributed to it.
- So please dont try and be a smart Alec, its not cool and not warranted. HistorianSemiAmateur (talk) 11:48, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well you did say
and a lot of the information comes from either personal experiences or from that of the inhabitants.
I am not trying to outsmart you, we are just trying to ensure Wikipedia's articles are clean of AI, and conform the policies and guidelines. A lot of people here are seemingly unaware of them, specifically the near-total bar on AI usage. Plus I am older than you. ChrysGalley (talk) 11:56, 24 September 2026 (UTC)- What has your age got to do with the price of anything?
- And of course, certain entries like recent news on the town (see Challenges post name change) wrt service delivery, the collapse of the aerodrome etc is based on the personal experiences of the townsfolk, captured by reporters in local news outlets and appropriately referenced in the Wikipedia entry. Wikipedia entries are alive, not limited to the history of an encyclopedia that was updated decades ago.
- Can we move on to more pleasant things please?! HistorianSemiAmateur (talk) 12:17, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how pleasant you may find reading Wikipedia:Verifiability, but you probably should:
In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means that people can check that facts or claims correspond to reliable sources. Wikipedia's content is determined by published information rather than editors' beliefs, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been published in a reliable source before you can add it...
AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2026 (UTC)- AndyTheGrump, thank you for the recommendation. I will be sure to read it and refresh my knowledge base. .
- However, can you point to any of my entries that cannot be verified ? And in many cases, what is a reliable source? HistorianSemiAmateur (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- So for example in Gill College you recently added some text in respect of Jan Pieter de Lange. The entire paragraph is unsourced, as is much of the rest of the article. Normally one would want to see reliable sources, where WP:RSP can guide you (more on what is not a reliable source). Anything without a reliable source can/should be deleted, and in the case of that particular article it would be quite a lot of it. ChrysGalley (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how pleasant you may find reading Wikipedia:Verifiability, but you probably should:
- Well you did say
- @HistorianSemiAmateur - thanks for joining up here, but are you aware that writing up information from personal experiences, as opposed to reliably sourced, is not permitted? ChrysGalley (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- JL 09 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Editor has been warned about the use of AI/LLM content and WP:NOLLM. User's autopatrolled permission has been removed.
Isn't it great when someone who's been an editor since 2009 suddenly starts using AI? (no, no it is not)
The usual, spate of high-volume articles created minutes apart, AI signs in prose that match the date of creation (and, accordingly, do not read much like one another stylistically), sample:
- Special:Diff/1374507297: September 2026, WP:AISIGNS including the "X identifies him as Y" AIATTR variation that's really popping off in recent AI text (plus several related variations)
- Special:Diff/1345638445: March 2026, indicators including superficial analyses, AITREND, AILIST/AIBOLD combo, etc.
- Special:Diff/1307588168: August 2025, indicators including treating article title as proper name, superficial analyses, 2025-era AIVOCAB, etc
Cutoff date appears to be May 2025, this is when the high-volume article creation/expansions started and also the filter log started filling up with a whole lot of things that if you have been around since 2009 you probably would know better than to do. Gnomingstuff (talk) 04:58, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- adding old {{lang}} templates back to 8 August Special:AbuseLog/44831193. These aren't translations. Start date looks to be May 2025 for creations (more analysis on that needed though). @Admins willing to patrol AINB: can autopatrolled please be removed? Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:24, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Autopatrolled revoked. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 06:24, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Avi8tor
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Claims in User talk:Avi8tor § September 2026 to using Google Translate to produce machine translations from frwiki, but Diff/1375998370 to Bourg-Charente and Diff/1376000280 to Chaniers are full of markdown. Somehow Diff/1375584832 to Mussidan has both markdown and valid wikitext syntax for italics, and Diff/1374656536 to Trois-Palis was produced in four minutes and has markdown. Attribution is lacking on most of these machine translation edits. ‑‑gurkubondinn 10:47, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- a lot of non-existent templates Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 11:17, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- At the top of the page for the above edit on Bourg-Charente is the following text:
- View a machine-translated version of the French article.
- Machine translation, like DeepL or Google Translate, is a useful starting point for translations, but translators must follow the LLM translation guideline, revise errors as necessary and confirm that the translation is accurate, rather than simply copy-pasting machine-translated text into the English Wikipedia.
- Do not translate text that appears unreliable or low-quality. If possible, verify the text with references provided in the foreign-language article.
- You must provide copyright attribution in the edit summary accompanying your translation by providing an interlanguage link to the source of your translation. A model attribution edit summary is Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Bourg-Charente; see its history for attribution.
- You may also add the template {{Translated|fr|Bourg-Charente}} to the talk page.
- For more guidance, see Wikipedia:Translation.
- This would suggest Google Translate is good for translating articles as long as the translation is checked. This is the first time I've seen the attribution sentence. Avi8tor (talk) 12:54, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- This does not address the concerns for wider AI use. Fermiboson (talk) 13:06, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Is google Translate classified as AI? It's been around for years probably since around 2014. Please explain why pages that state you can improve an article by using the French article translation using Google translate. Avi8tor (talk) 07:52, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Firstly Google Translate is powered by an LLM backend because people can prompt-inject it, yes, but that's besides the point. The point is that we don't believe you're only using Google Translate. Fermiboson (talk) 08:14, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Google translate is all I'm using. Avi8tor (talk) 10:54, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Google Translate isn't typically capable of outputting markdown Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 10:57, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- What is prompt-inject it? Why not try it yourself. Avi8tor (talk) 10:56, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I'm also not familiar with markdown, if you could please explain. Avi8tor (talk) 11:00, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- The English comprehension level displayed here, which is borderline unable-to-communicate, and the prose written in articles are also irreconcilably different. For your future reference, your LLM is probably not translating our comments to you faithfully, especially if you're using Gemini, based on my experience. (Ton IA, notamment si tu utilises Gemini, ne traduit sans doute pas nos commentaires de manière exacte et vice-versa.) @Admins willing to patrol AINB: can we get a duck mainspace block or do I need to do a source analysis? Fermiboson (talk) 11:05, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, you're on another wavelength to me, I'm not using any Large Language Model. Are you talking about this conversation or the article on Boourg-Charente? I'm not a computer geek, I'm a retired pilot who tries to improve Wikipedia. It looks like I've been blocked from editing for doing what was suggested on the Wikipedia page I edited, which suggested I use Google Translate. If this is not acceptable then tell me what it acceptable. Avi8tor (talk) 11:18, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- We are saying that there are technical signs in your edits that are more indicative of an AI chatbot like ChatGPT being used than Google Translate. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:05, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Fermiboson, Gurkubondinn, and Kowal2701: Google Translate has apparently made some recent changes to incorporate its Gemini LLM even more extensively than it used to. I just translated the current revision of the Chaniers article on the French Wikipedia to English with Google Translate, and it does indeed match Avi8tor's edit, including the addition of Markdown and extra em dashes. Based on this, I do not believe a block is not warranted at this time.I see that the latest version of the Google Translate mobile app has a "Choose text translation model" toggle, with the Gemini-based "Advanced" option selected by default, and the "Classic" option available only if you explicitly choose it. (This toggle has been reported since November 2025.) Unfortunately, I don't see this toggle on the Google Translate website, so I believe Google is opting users into Gemini-based translations in certain situations without disclosure or a way to opt out. — Newslinger talk 01:31, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- What the actual ...? I had no idea, I only use Google Translate in a browser so had not seen this. That is annoying, they've just made it worse then.
- I still don't see the point in saving static copies of machine translations that anyone can produce themselves, but that explains this. ‑‑gurkubondinn 01:43, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, you're on another wavelength to me, I'm not using any Large Language Model. Are you talking about this conversation or the article on Boourg-Charente? I'm not a computer geek, I'm a retired pilot who tries to improve Wikipedia. It looks like I've been blocked from editing for doing what was suggested on the Wikipedia page I edited, which suggested I use Google Translate. If this is not acceptable then tell me what it acceptable. Avi8tor (talk) 11:18, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Google translate is all I'm using. Avi8tor (talk) 10:54, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Firstly Google Translate is powered by an LLM backend because people can prompt-inject it, yes, but that's besides the point. The point is that we don't believe you're only using Google Translate. Fermiboson (talk) 08:14, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Is google Translate classified as AI? It's been around for years probably since around 2014. Please explain why pages that state you can improve an article by using the French article translation using Google translate. Avi8tor (talk) 07:52, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- This does not address the concerns for wider AI use. Fermiboson (talk) 13:06, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Daksh121
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
DOA 404s, AIATTR, AIREDCAT, 100k of edits in ~2 hours today. I reverted Vajrai Waterfall to the last good revision, List of waterfalls in India by height, Harishchandragad, Kalsubai, Aadrai Jungle Trail, and Kalu Waterfall are their other contributions as of my post. ~ A412 talk! 15:32, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have draftified draft:Trekkers Tribe, it's basically an AI written advertisement. ChrysGalley (talk) 15:51, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Was just about to post this. One of their recent edits had clear WP:AISIGNS including markdown formatting. Jdcomix (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Just requested G15 deletion of Aadrai Jungle Trail before I saw this. Very clearly AI-generated. ‑‑gurkubondinn 18:35, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- renamed to Dakshv (talk · contribs), they responded w an AI-generated comment, everything reverted/draftified/deleted for now Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:29, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Coe-pjb
[edit]Editor has created 9 largish 20k-30k articles from starting on 11:39, July 23, 2026 to 14:26, July 23, 2026. They only have 112 edits, which looks really odd. I'll inform them. scope_creepTalk 20:01, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- The user explained in July how they created these articles. They admitted using ChatGPT for copyediting, which probably accounted for some cosmetic AISIGNS factors, but it is not a problem to write pages offline, and the articles do not read like LLM output. I reviewed several of these pages during New Page Review and did several source spot checks, and while I did leave a warning on missing citations, I didn't find any of the failed verification issues I'd have expected to with the typical LLM use we see on this page. Not sure this user is an issue for this noticeboard. Pinging @YuniToumei, who left the original question about LLM use, to see if their concerns were satisfied. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:16, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- I tend to follow the approach of asking and informing about the LLM guidelines in the same query in order not to bite, and they seemed communicative at the time, so I didn't dig deeper. Seems like they stopped editing after July 23 though... And with the stuff Kowal2701 found below it's not looking too great. Would have hoped to see them continue editing without AI. YuniToumei (talk) 07:50, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- not triggered any relevant edit filters, but loads of AI signs in creations, Special:Permalink/1365605075 has red-linked See also entry and red cats, not something that happens if just using AI for copyediting. In Special:Permalink/1365607313 the last ISBN in the Further reading section goes to a completely different book Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:39, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ugh. I didn't look at older versions when reviewing. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
Wang Yaqiao and The Axe Gang
[edit]- Kawakenkuni (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Hi everyone, a couple weeks ago I reported these two articles to the NOR noticeboard, and another user there recommended I bring it up here. You can read my full report there, but I'll summarise it briefly here. Basically, these two articles were expanded by the same user, and I noticed that the citations did not include page numbers, which made it hard to verify. I then looked into the sources and found several don't appear to mention the subject, while the ones that did didn't appear to verify the specific text they're cited to. Worried that it might have been AI generated, I put the articles into Pangram, which gave differing results, saying the Wang Yaqiao article was 100% human written, while the Axe Gang article was 50/50 human/AI written; this is why I didn't immediately bring it here. Could someone else have a look at these two articles? If they're not clearly AI generated, then I'll bounce this back to the NOR noticeboard. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, it does read AI generated, quite apparently so. Pangram has a very low false positive rate but fairly high false negative rate. Thanks for bringing it up here. Are there any other contribs by the user we should be paying specific attention to? (would be useful if you could put a userlinks on top of the section) Fermiboson (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- @Fermiboson: Ok, I've notified the user. Other than these two articles, it seems their only substantial contributions have been these edits to the Shina (word) article, these edits to the Anti-Chinese sentiment article and these edits to the Singapore–Taiwan relations article. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:02, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:MatSallehSesat
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Large rapid edits and article creations. Already requested G15 for Datu Patinggi Abdul Gapur and Datus of Sarawak, both had references that returned 404 not found errors and invalid ISBN identifiers.
Large rewrites of articles, done within hours of each other and have AIREDCATS and Markdown:
- Diff/1376446705 (AbuseLog/45205102): Datu Patinggi Ali
- Diff/1376425461 (AbuseLog/45204167): Charles Cameron Lees (colonial administrator)
- Diff/1376409572 (AbuseLog/45203718): Syarif Masahor
Recently created articles since yesterday:
- Peter Leys in Diff/1376420029 (AbuseLog/45204074, c. 16 kB), also with markdown and AIREDCAT.
- Arthur Shirley Hamilton in Diff/1376429701 (c. 6 kB)), has an AIREDCAT and the only online source slightly contradicts the article. The source claims that he was "acting lieutenant governor", but the article calls him "the final crown administrator". This might not be a contradiction but just a different term.
- George Warren Edwardes in Diff/1376411264 (c. 16 kB), with three AIREDCATS and created 14 minutes after the user's previous edit. Reference nr. 10 is a book Rajahs and Rebels: The Ibans of Sarawak Under Brooke Rule using ISBN 0-333-10499-4, but that ISBN is assigned to New penny wise: a practical guide to decimal money, a completely different book. The citation says that the Rajahs and Rebels book was published in 1941, so it should not have an ISBN assigned to it, unless it is citing a later publication or print.
- Arthur Crookshank in Diff/1376305599 (c. 9 kB), with two AIREDCATS and created in less than an hour. Removed the red cats in Diff/1376311001 and then added them back in Diff/1376396600 a couple of hours later.
- Rainbow (1859 ship) in Diff/1330230173 (c. 8 kB) with an AIREDCAT and an infobox in a wikitable? Reference nr. 3 returns a 400 Bad request error.
- Datu Patinggi Abdul Gapur, deleted under G15. Wikisource in AbuseLog/45204859 from a rewrite, nonexistent ISBN and references that returned 404 errors.
- Datus of Sarawak, deleted under G15. Had nonexistent ISBN and references returned 404 not found errors.
Markdown formatted URLs added to references in Diff/1376267231 (AbuseLog/45195626). Has edited since before public access to LLMs and chatbots, so hard to know when the AI use began. ‑‑gurkubondinn 13:54, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry didn't realise any use of AI was so forbidden - I am a serious editor and I was editing topics I know intimately and I was taking break from other work. I've been studying Sarawak history non-stop for 5 years now. I was using AI to help my grammar and to help me incorporate the pre-existing material that was correct. I find it hard to write around other styles. The intent was to preserve other people's work. I have also used AI to help me understand some of the coding issues - i'm just not gifted that way.
- Leys - not sure what the problem is - I do rely on archives a little too much for Wikipedia's tastes - I was going to update with general histories like those of Treacher and Tregonning
- Hamilton - He was the last crown administrator of Labuan - after him the governorship goes to the North Borneo Chartered Company
- Edwardes - The ISBN warning was for the same book used on both Edwardes & Datus of Sarawak
- It's published in 1970. The 1841-1941 date you see is part of the title, those are the dates of Brooke rule. The ISBN should be 0801405521 - i will fix it, if i'm allowed to
- Crookshank - you're right the categories got added back in - and I didn't want them
- Rainbow - I didn't use AI at all on that - so I don't know what's being flagged - I had a lot of trouble getting the infobox to show multiple owners - whatever I did or the other user did seemed to fix it - #3 is a working archive.org link - don't know why you're getting a 400 Bad request - if 100% up time of archive.org is your basis to kill an article then I'll stop providing urls
- Datu Patinggi Abdul Gapur - I translated the article - then made my edits - the bad link you're talking about is actually from the original article, If I had to guess the bad ISBN will be the same Pringle book as before - he deals primarily with the Iban and the conflict in the Rejang and the chaos they brought after Masahor was pushed out to Igan between 1856-1858.
- But the Datus of Sarawak page and the Abdul Gapur pages are the ones that really depresses me - I tried getting that page up years ago - and it was rejected for sounding like a textbook - so I let it cool - then I tried again today with AI helping my tone and now it's taken down again - it's a sorely needed aspect of Sarawak history that has been completely ignored and forgotten - I've been trying to fight the Euro-centric archives and restore agency to the local people - but I can't get the info up without others taking it back down.
- Very frustrating and depressing.
- Sorry for my infractions. I won't use AI again. MatSallehSesat (talk) 14:45, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I can confirm that ref #3 in the Rainbow article is working for me currently and displays the expected reference, containing the "Hope in the clouds" quote. The problem that was flagged with that diff is that it was created with a red category link, Category:Screw steamers. This is very common in pages that have been generated with AI.
- The issue in the Leys article is that, in one paragraph, it uses markdown formatting instead of wikitext—another perennial issue with AI. Other editors have found that even if all you tell an LLM to do is check spelling and grammar, this kind of error is frequently inserted into the text. And worse!
- I'm sorry you've had this depressing experience while trying to get these important articles published, and I really hope it won't stop you from trying again. Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 15:18, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- and it seems to be unfortunate timing for me to be on trial - the nla.gov.au site seems to be down right now - so those links aren't working either - but it's definitely their site - not the links
- I use Trove extensively for any FO docs and also for records of the S.P.G. (Church) MatSallehSesat (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- You are not on trial, and this is not a conduct board. We just want you to stop using AI for your submissions on enwiki and to find out which the articles and edits you have submitted are AI-generated, so that we can remove them. You are only "in trouble" if you are dishonest or continue using AI despite knowing that it isn't allowed. ‑‑gurkubondinn 17:01, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- well i used ai in the last 2 days - i believed it was in a responsible manner - but there appears to be a zero tolerance approach, so delete away. MatSallehSesat (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- You are not on trial, and this is not a conduct board. We just want you to stop using AI for your submissions on enwiki and to find out which the articles and edits you have submitted are AI-generated, so that we can remove them. You are only "in trouble" if you are dishonest or continue using AI despite knowing that it isn't allowed. ‑‑gurkubondinn 17:01, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Divnanoc
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Created Tatyana Alexandrovna Nozhkina, which I have just nominated for G15 speedy deletion:
references nr. 2, nr. 6, nr 9, nr. 11, and nr. 13 return 404 not found. ref nr. 12 returns a 500 error and does not work. reference nr. 21 returns a 403 error.
Responded to a PROD of the same article with Diff/1376341070, which seems like AITALK and denies LLM use. The first revision Diff/1376133782 suggests that the page was moved to Draft:Vadim Asoskov, which has two references returning 404 errors and seems to have first been moved into article space in Diff/1376133749. Not really sure what was going on there?
Attempted to cite Wikipedia in AbuseLog/45192711 on Byblos (fashion brand) before it was created in Diff/1376218486 with an AIREDCAT. There are UTM parameters showing ChatGPT use in AbuseLog/42228721 and AbuseLog/40449475.
Created Chen Jiagang in Diff/1284749776 (AbuseLog/40474611), reference nr. 11 returns 404 and reference nr. 7 does not work. This was really just a spot check though. ‑‑gurkubondinn 14:39, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Comments/history at Talk:Rada Krivokapić-Radonjić look like someone using AI to talk and then re-editing the text to sound less AI, article itself is currently A7'd and has red categories. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 14:54, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- When something merely looks “like” something, I prefer not to comment. Especially when it comes to hidden flaws, dwelling on which could be considered abusive.
- I have explained before. Article was created after the subj was found in Requested Articles, than checked media coverage and found it sufficient to write about. Also the serbian wikipedia article covered the subj. [1]. And serbian article about Rada Krivokapić-Radonjić was started and created by Gorana Gomirac, an exectutive of Wikimedia Serbia (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Gorana_Gomirac_(VMRS)). I`ve came full circle. Divnanoc (talk) 17:02, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- In response of:
- (I) Nozhkina:
- (i.A) The draft was living in a draft space like within year or so. Some links were broken or migrated since the latest draft edition. Could be fixed easily, but looks that article is currently frozen for any edition. Since you have accused me of using an abstract large language model to write the article (responded on subj page), the very first thing such a model would have done (if it had been used) would have been to check for broken links and replace it. As I can see, that is not the case.
- (i.B) Highly possible, it was my fault with Special:MovePage. I simply mixed up the drat article titles when moving them.
- (II) Byblos (AbuseLog/45192711)
- I have no idea what it means. The only activity I did after creation is linked the page with Prada Group (which was once acquired the trademark in 2001) to avoid an Orphan status for subj.
- (III) Davalos (AbuseLog/42228721):
- There were 2 (two) UTM-marks in reference links list. Arisen after the usage of "deep search prompt" of subj.`s media coverage in Argentina Check the first edition to verify.
- (IV) Birch (AbuseLog/40449475):
- I have no idea where and why it came from. Editor rejected to confirm which text was suspicious. Primarily, the article was written by me for Russian Wikipedia than translated and place here.
- (B) Chen (AbuseLog/40474611):
- Number 7 is working properly. Number 11 last checked almost two years ago, I suppose that relations between artist and gallery could be slightly changed. Divnanoc (talk) 16:41, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- This response is AI generated. We want to talk to a human, not a chatbot. If you continue posting LLM comments you will likely be blocked. Jdcomix (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ah? Do I need to record own voice or use the obscene wording in at least of 4 languages which I`m speaking more or less, instead of being polite and explaining position in not a "srach style", but step by step algorithmically. It makes me feel that I`m corresponding with LLMs or smh.
- NB. It was my handwritten text without any copy. Did you deleted it? No comments at all... Divnanoc (talk) 18:58, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- I really don't think this response is AI. It reads very much like comms of people I know who speak Slavic languages as their primary, down to the grammar: IE "in a draft space like within year or so", "looks that article is currently frozen", "Editor rejected to confirm"
- Also, there's a misspelling which AI wouldn't do - "exectutive of Wikimedia Serbia".
- No comment or opinion about the rest of it Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 20:36, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for spotting that: Divnanoc means "Wonderful Night" in ex-Yugoslavian languages. There are "Easter eggs" like this in almost every first edition of my articles here in the English version. Some have already been corrected by other editors, whilst others are still exists. But who actually read this? It’s easier just to destroy down the article, because of 6 archived links out of 23. Not made-up ones, no, but simply ones that were moved to different URLs at the same websites in over a half year period. It’s a malicious LLM that’s messed up. Undoubtedly. Divnanoc (talk) 21:31, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- This response is AI generated. We want to talk to a human, not a chatbot. If you continue posting LLM comments you will likely be blocked. Jdcomix (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- My analysis of the evidence: Both of the Jiagang links that are down now absolutely did exist - and in fact were both archived by the Wayback Machine on the same day, April 9, 2025. That day also happens to be the day the Jiagang article was created by Divnanoc. See links to the archived version here and here.
- Chatgpt for finding sources is, to the best of my knowledge, not forbidden as long as you read the entire source and don't take Chatgpt's word for its existence or statements. And the category is a reasonable one that I was honestly shocked to see doesn't exist - especially as it was added at draft creation, that isn't really strong evidence by any means.
- I can't really talk about Nozhkina because it's deleted so i can't see what sources were red flags.
- As for the comments on the Rada, it's again got very standard Slavic grammar that doesn't really make much sense as being from AI (in particular "2019? Seriously? 2026 is on the ground", which i'm pretty sure is a literal translation of 2026 год на дворе, which is used to mean nowadays is 2026 but на дворе literally means yard), so I'd buy it as being more likely to be someone thinking through their arguments and grammar-checking before posting, especially when it's something as serious as contesting a proposed page speedy deletion of an article they created, than being AI.
- Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 00:38, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
References
User:Vncdengc
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Lots of large and rapid edits, talk page full of dab notices. For example Diff/1376453081 is c. 2 kB and was produced in two minutes, Diff/1376433676 is c. 10 kB and was produced in eight minutes, and Diff/1376428243 is c. 5 kB produced in six minutes. Lots of election boxes and tables. There is a lot to go through, not many filter log entries, no markdown. Could use more eyes. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:13, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
~2026-49615-10
[edit]~2026-49615-10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Added a chatbot block to Ashok Chavan in Diff/1374883587 (AbuseLog/45121092) and then edit warred to reinstate it in Diff/1376528798 and Diff/1376536271 after being reverted. Has also made other large and rapid edits, a block is probably needed. ‑‑gurkubondinn 20:19, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:Hrvatskaeditor
[edit]Editor has been notified and asked to discuss AI/LLM editing concerns.
Creating several LLM-assisted articles. On Croatian Party of Kosovo: "The European Centre for Minority Issues Kosovo described HSK as the political party representing the interests of Kosovo's Croats and recorded its participation in the 2013 municipal elections". On Draft:Church of St. Catherine, Peja: "The church and its surrounding complex are also the subject of cultural heritage and conservation concerns in Peja".
More context at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#21:06, 24 September 2026 review of submission by Hrvatskaeditor. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:38, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
User:ItsMeGabeProductions
[edit]Editor has been blocked site-wide for AI/LLM policy violations.
Discussion split from § Prodijal son. — Newslinger talk 02:12, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hi all, on the topic of AI-generated articles related to earthquakes, a recently published article, 1924 Davao earthquake, created ItsMeGabeProductions, is written with a similar format that I suspect is also AI-generated. Like the articles listed here, this one also contains a certain "generic" or redundant language, some attribution to earthquake catalogs, full coordinates in prose, and close paraphrasing.
- I have not gone deeper into this yet due to my time constraints so I am speculating based on what I have seen in Prodijal son's articles, but I thought you should look at this as well before reaching out to ItsMeGabeProductions. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 16:01, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks @Dora the Axe-plorer, they were previously reported here (Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/Archive 16#User:ItsMeGabeProductions), I remember being unconvinced at their explanation but unable to prove it at the time. Corruption in Wales (21 Sept) had a red-linked See also entry, overreliance on primary sources, a Pangram positive . They're making 20kb articles almost daily. @Admins willing to patrol AINB: sorry but I think a sitewide block is appropriate here. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:14, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
Blocked ItsMeGabeProductions sitewide for LLM misuse after previous noticeboard discussion. — Newslinger talk 02:24, 25 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks @Dora the Axe-plorer, they were previously reported here (Wikipedia:AI noticeboard/Archive 16#User:ItsMeGabeProductions), I remember being unconvinced at their explanation but unable to prove it at the time. Corruption in Wales (21 Sept) had a red-linked See also entry, overreliance on primary sources, a Pangram positive . They're making 20kb articles almost daily. @Admins willing to patrol AINB: sorry but I think a sitewide block is appropriate here. Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:14, 24 September 2026 (UTC)