Talk:Timur

Death toll

Did Timur really kill 17 million people? That is, 5% of the world's population at the time? The source appears to be a 1999 Chicago Tribune article, but the figure seems very hard to believe. It's an incredible figure for 14th-century weapons. I am removing it. No precise figure should be added without a better source than that.

Once again requesting a name change to a more colloquially common translation

Simply naming this article "Timur" is ignorant of the conventionally used name for this individual (whom is often called either Timur-e Lang or Timurlane, either will suffice.) within modern English. I request that this page be renamed to one of the 2 formerly suggested names above. Sidd89 (talk) 23:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Or Tamerlane as Timurlane is actually less common my bad. Sidd89 (talk) 23:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I thought the most common name is Timur Lenk. But maybe the latter part is not used in English, since I didn't find it all in the article. 109.240.35.214 (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Timur Lenk is the article name in Danish, Dutch, Hungarian, Norwegian, Romanian, Swedish and Timurlenk in Slovenian. Apparently 'Tamer' corresponds to 'Timur' and 'lane' to 'Lenk'. I was very confused when the name Tamerlane was used in a movie. Googled it and found I know him better as Timur Lenk... 109.240.35.214 (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Birthdate

Why is the birthdate still 1336? From what I'm seeing, most sources seem to point toward it being far before 1336. The first citation in the lead: "The birthdate commonly ascribed to Tīmūr, 25 S̲h̲aʿbān 736/8 April 1336, is probably an invention from the time of his successor S̲h̲āh Ruk̲h̲ [q.v.], the day chosen for astrological meaning and the year to coincide with the death of the last Il-K̲h̲ān"

In his early life:

"Later Timurid dynastic histories claim that Timur was born on 8 April 1336, but most sources from his lifetime give ages that are consistent with a birthdate in the late 1320s. Historian Beatrice Forbes Manz suspects the 1336 date was designed to tie Timur to the legacy of Abu Sa'id Bahadur Khan, the last ruler of the Ilkhanate descended from Hulagu Khan, who died in that year." -- It seems rather clear, so I'm gonna be changing it. Noorullah (talk) 23:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Invention or not, it's the most common accepted date. Why would we move from well established date to vague 1320s? Beshogur (talk) 10:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Because it's wrong? On WP we go by what the high-quality, reliable sources say. 1320s is absolutely the correct date to put; I would even consider "c. 1327", in line with Peter Jackson's conclusion (From Genghis Khan to Tamerlane, 2023, p. 252). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, I’ll add 1327 in a bit (or if you want to, you can). Noorullah (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

What you don't understand is 1336 is well established. Similarly Atatürk wasn't born in 1881, but it is accepted like that way. Beshogur (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Atatürk is a great example! Like Timur, he later attributed a specific date for his birthday—19 May 1881. Turkey has officially accepted 19 May as his birthday. Has Wikipedia?No—which is why you find "c. 1881" in the lead, instead of "19 May 1881". Similarly, on this article, we go by what is correct, rather than what others would rather believe. We can start an RfC if you disagree. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:17, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean even if you ctrl+f, most sources say he was born in 1336. That's the most established date, not 1320s. Beshogur (talk) 22:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Tamerlanon, the sources are here, and unsurprisingly also cited in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:44, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I have no problem with listing the date as c.1320s or late 1320s or whatever, but as most articles elsewhere indicate a birthdate of 8 April 1336, it might be useful to present this information and why it is believed to be incorrect in the body of the article. AkilinaL (talk) 01:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

"boxed in against the east bank of the Volga River in the Orenburg region"

For the record -- the distance between Orenburg and Volga is around 400 km. You may want to rewrite that piece R Alexandrov (talk) 19:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Question

Gérard Chaliand Clearly Says He Comes From The Mongol Barlas Tribe Why Is There A Turk Expression? Tamerlanen Soldiers (talk) 13:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Read the word before "Mongol Barlas". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:46, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Timur's Full Name

His full name needs to be mentioned here properly which is "Mirza Shuja-ud-din Baig Mohammad Khan TIMUR"

This format was later continued by his direct descendants The MUGHALS who named themselves in the same way as "Mirza Zaheeruddin Baig Mohammad Khan BABUR" and so on... 103.103.43.195 (talk) 18:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Source? Beshogur (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

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The battles were all written

@AirshipJungleman29 Why are you doing this, why did you delete all the battles? If you are so smart, delete the battles of Nadir Shah and Mahmud of Ghaznavi too. More than half of Nadir Shah's battles are referenced in the articles on conquests and invasions. Then, did you read the article called the Siege of Ankara? Why did you delete it? Then, why are you cleaning up after me? Go and edit the other articles. Please read it. It is written in detail in the article I referenced that Timur conquered Sivash and Bursa. If I were to make a separate article about the conquest of Sivash or Bursa by Timur, please delete it too. I don't understand. Go and see the Nadir Shah article and say, "Hey, what are you doing to me?" What are you doing to Wikihound? Leave me alone. It's okay if someone else edits me, but you're just Wikihounding me like you're following me. I'll restore this illegal article to its original state. Don't try to edit it, you won't even let me make a single article, you're just deleting my edits instead of the half-written ones about Pir Muhammad (son of Jahangir). Wikihound is clearly leaving me alone, don't touch my edits. BBotirk (talk) 12:41, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

BBotirk, please either retract your accusations of WP:HOUNDing or open a section at WP:ANI. I have edited this topic area for several years, so it is natural that I should see and clean up the large amounts of poor-quality content you are adding to Wikipedia. In the case of this article, see MOS:INFOBOX: The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose. We should not be including duplicate links to the same articles under different names, otherwise you could have infinitely many minor actions and skirmishes listed. Comparisons to other articles are generally unhelpful, as there will always be other articles that need to be improved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:57, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

Of course, I don't intend to argue about the quality of the articles, but you always edit the articles I've added, so it's natural for any idea to spread this to Wikihounding. BBotirk (talk) 14:04, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

I think you made a mistake anyway. There is a separate article about the siege of Ankara. Please add it or I will do it myself. BBotirk (talk) 14:09, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

BBotirk, do you have a response regarding my above quote of the relevant style guideline? Your latest edit quotes WP:REDIRECT, which is irrelevant, and then seems to repeat the WP:OTHERCONTENT argument I noted to be flawed above. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:40, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

"He was undefeated in battle"

no he wasn't, although most times he would win ~2026-30291-40 (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Everyone loses , no one is so perfect enought to win every battle he is in. Every one has fails and successes in their whole life. ~2026-24278-38 (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

After 5 generations

Babur,the founder of the Mughal Dynasty,was the son of the grandson of the grandson of timur. ~2026-24278-38 (talk) 14:20, 23 May 2026 (UTC)