Template talk:Nuclide

Seems that there is no talk page for this? There is a Tfm for {{nuclide}} and {{nuclide2}}. Does anyone here even notice? Since this one transcludes {{nuclide2}}, seems to me that instead of merging, we could just propose {{nuclide}} for deletion. That means that all the uses of this one should be change to {{nuclide2}} before the deletion. Putting the TFM notice in the templates really messes up tables that they are use in. That should encourage users of this one to change. Gah4 (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

In case anyone doesn't know, this template transcludes {{nuclide2}}. There is a merge proposal, but it doesn't seem to me what is really needed. There is nothing wrong with {{nuclide2}}, so it makes more sense just to delete this one. Before that can be done, someone (or someones) need to change all the articles that use this one. If a bot can do that, it should be pretty easy. It takes some work for a person. The tables I use {{nuclide2}} in are program generated, so it isn't so hard to change, but then again they don't need changing. I suppose there are some that really need merging, but in many cases it is more work than it is worth. Gah4 (talk) 22:35, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm the guy that created this template and Nuclide2. I created the later because this one had some problems that were hard to fix without changing the arguments, which would break existing use of the template. I had already use this template on too many pages to change it manually and I didn't have a bot to automatically change it. So, I created a new template and put a large notice on this, the old one, not to use it. I also asked this template to be deleted at some point, which now might finally be happening (yay!). I think it's almost ten years overdue...

There is no reason for the Nuclide2 template to have a "2" in its name other than the above history. Once Nuclide is gone, Nuclide2 should be renamed. For all intents and purposes, this is the same as merging them.

This page is not the right place for a discussion; the tfm page is where you should voice your opinion about it, as that's where the decision will be made. — SkyLined (talk) 23:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes I agree, and will continue there. I put this one here, just in case someone only reads it here. Gah4 (talk) 02:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Testing

Test of this template: ¹
₁H ⁴
₂He ⁷
₃Li ⁹
₄Be ¹¹
₅B ¹²
₆C ¹⁴
₇N ¹⁶
₈O ¹⁹
₉F ²⁰
₁₀Ne ²³
₁₁Na ²⁴
₁₂Mg ²⁷
₁₃Al ²⁸
₁₄Si ³¹
₁₅P ³³
₁₆S ³⁵
₁₇Cl ⁴⁰
₁₈Ar ³⁹
₁₉K ⁴⁰
₂₀Ca ⁴⁵
₂₁Sc ⁴⁸
₂₂Ti ⁵¹
₂₃V ⁵²
₂₄Cr ⁵⁵
₂₅Mn ⁵⁶
₂₆Fe ⁵⁹
₂₇Co ⁵⁸
₂₈Ni ⁶³
₂₉Cu ⁶⁴
₃₀Zn ⁶⁹
₃₁Ga ⁷⁴
₃₂Ge ⁷⁵
₃₃As ⁸⁰
₃₄Se ⁷⁹
₃₅Br ⁸⁴
₃₆Kr ⁸⁵
₃₇Rb ⁸⁸
₃₈Sr ⁸⁹
₃₉Y ⁹⁰
₄₀Zr ⁹³
₄₁Nb ⁹⁸
₄₂Mo ⁹⁹
₄₃Tc ¹⁰²
₄₄Ru ¹⁰³
₄₅Rh ¹⁰⁶
₄₆Pd ¹⁰⁷
₄₇Ag ¹¹⁴
₄₈Cd ¹¹⁵
₄₉In ¹¹⁸
₅₀Sn ¹²¹
₅₁Sb ¹³⁰
₅₂Te ¹²⁷
₅₃I ¹³²
₅₄Xe ¹³³
₅₅Cs ¹³⁸
₅₆Ba ¹³⁹
₅₇La ¹⁴⁰
₅₈Ce ¹⁴¹
₅₉Pr ¹⁴²
₆₀Nd ¹⁴⁵
₆₁Pm ¹⁵²
₆₂Sm ¹⁵³
₆₃Eu ¹⁵⁸
₆₄Gd ¹⁵⁹
₆₅Tb ¹⁶⁴
₆₆Dy ¹⁶⁵
₆₇Ho ¹⁶⁶
₆₈Er ¹⁶⁹
₆₉Tm ¹⁷⁴
₇₀Yb ¹⁷⁵
₇₁Lu ¹⁷⁸
₇₂Hf ¹⁸¹
₇₃Ta ¹⁸⁴
₇₄W ¹⁸⁷
₇₅Re ¹⁹²
₇₆Os ¹⁹³
₇₇Ir ¹⁹⁵
₇₈Pt ¹⁹⁷
₇₉Au ²⁰²
₈₀Hg ²⁰⁵
₈₁Tl ²⁰⁸
₈₂Pb ²⁰⁹
₈₃Bi ²¹⁰
₈₄Po ²¹⁰
₈₅At ²²²
₈₆Rn ²²³
₈₇Fr ²²⁶
₈₈Ra ²²⁷
₈₉Ac ²³²
₉₀Th ²³¹
₉₁Pa ²³⁸
₉₂U ²³⁷
₉₃Np ²⁴⁴
₉₄Pu ²⁴³
₉₅Am ²⁴⁷
₉₆Cm ²⁴⁷
₉₇Bk ²⁵¹
₉₈Cf ²⁵²
₉₉Es ²⁵⁷
₁₀₀Fm ²⁵⁸
₁₀₁Md ²⁵⁹
₁₀₂No ²⁶²
₁₀₃Lr ²⁶¹
₁₀₄Rf ²⁶²
₁₀₅Db ²⁶⁶
₁₀₆Sg ²⁶⁴
₁₀₇Bh ²⁷⁷
₁₀₈Hs ²⁶⁸
₁₀₉Mt ²⁸¹
₁₁₀Ds ²⁷²
₁₁₁Rg ²⁸⁵
₁₁₂Cn ²⁸⁹
₁₁₄Fl ²⁹²
₁₁₆Lv Gah4 (talk) 00:52, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

What Links Here

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Nuclide Gah4 (talk) 05:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

DigitsInNumber

Template {{DigitsInNumber}} is used but does not exist. --Obsuser (talk) 05:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

FWIW it was deleted 03:16, 27 May 2008, so this does not appear to cause much problems. - SkyLined — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.45.178.169 (talk)

Expected behavior for periodic table abbreviations?

In terms of generating the wikitext, things seem to work fine when just using "U" or "Pu" instead of writing out the full element name, but there's a weird issue when I do this:

{{Nuclide|Uranium|239|link=yes}} which emits ²³⁹
₉₂U.

vs.

{{Nuclide|U|239|link=yes}} which emits ²³⁹
₉₂U.

Note that the second case links to a disambiguation page for U-239 because there was a German World War II submarine with that designation. Arguably the page on the submarine, German submarine U-239, should be aliased to "U-239 (German submarine)" so it shows in the search dropdown and the need for the probably rare case of it being searched for on here is clarified via the actual page rather than a 2 item disambiguation entry, but the fact that it works this way sort of begs the question of exactly what Template:LinkForElement is supposed to be doing... It appears that it should be doing a lookup of the name from either the lowercase abbreviation or full name and then returning the full name if I'm reading the documentation for #switch correctly but the result of {{LinkForElement|U|239}} does return u-239 which seems like the opposite of what the code is trying to accomplish... Looking at that code it seems the issue is that it doesn't bother attempting to expand the first parameter if there's a 2nd parameter; {{LinkForElement|U}} returns "uranium" as expected.

I posted this here because this is the template returning the bad link and depending on where else LinkForElement is used it might be better to only pass that template one parameter to get the element's full name if it was entered as the abbreviation (which reads more clearly in source pages since that's what this template produces as output) then concatenate the two together with a dash to form the link here. That also avoids breaking anything that was relying on the current behavior of LinkForElement for some reason (does the chem template use it?) and adds a minimal amount of code to this.

I would attempt to do it but wiki's template system is something of an abomination to me which is saying something since I used to deal with C++ template metaprogramming along with assembly languages for 5 different processor architectures and 2-3 ABIs for each for a living.  ;-) A Shortfall Of Gravitas (talk) 14:58, 23 April 2026 (UTC)