Talk:Yue (state)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

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State of Yue → Yue (state) — Move to Yue (state) in consistency with all other Spring and Autumn and Warring States articles, which all uses (state), but this article use "state of".--Balthazarduju (talk) 04:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Comment I think either name is somewhat confusing, with some Americans and Australians thinking provinces are states, and that China has two that are abbreviated as Yue... Perhaps it should be Yue (Warring States era) 65.94.252.195 (talk) 05:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
• Support move. Although not perfect, state is enough for disambiguation purpose. By the way, the State of Yue is also a state during the Spring and Autumn Period. Adding Warring States era is also not perfect. --Pengyanan (talk) 07:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

WP:ERA

Some inconsistency, so worth noting that this edit established the usage of the page as BC/AD. Per WP:ERA, kindly maintain it. — LlywelynII 08:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources for article expansion

Ruler list for Yue here. — LlywelynII 15:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The reliability of that source is suspect. The Yue history is poorly documented and the names of most rulers and the periods of their reigns are disputed. -Zanhe (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: Then list it here or at a kings of Yue subpage and caveat it properly with your reliable sources about why it's suspect. — LlywelynII 11:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Also:

• Brindley, Erica Fox (2003), "Barbarians or Not? Ethnicity and Changing Conceptions of the Ancient Yue (Viet) Peoples, ca. 400-50 BC" (PDF), Asia Major, 3rd Series, vol. 16, Academia Sinica, pp. 1–32, JSTOR 41649870.
• Brindley, Erica Fox (2015), Ancient China and the Yue, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-1-107-08478-0.

 — LlywelynII 11:44, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Hatnote

@Zahne, I did not add this hatnote , you were perfectly fine with it before when it was using {{hatnote}} instead of {{about}}  ; Further "Yueyu" and "Yuyue" and Yuyu and Yueyue would seem to be things that would have a hatnote, since they can be pronounced the same way by different people. And if you call him Prince Charles Windsor instead of Prince Charles per your given name thing, then hats off to you. -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 07:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

One of Zhengzhang Shangfang's works on Wu-Yue language is accessible online

"Some Kam-Tai Words in Place Names of the Ancient Wu and Yue States" [古吴越地名中的侗台语成份] by Zhengzhang Shangfang (1990) is accessible online. From here , browse to this link http://hanhandou.ys168.com/ , then click on 吴语与其它方言, then 《古吴越地名中的侗台语成份》郑张尚芳. Gustmeister (talk) 14:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Another paper related to ancient Yue language by Zhengzhang: 句践“维甲”令中之古越语的解读 , . Gustmeister (talk) 01:39, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Gustmeister, thanks, although (a) those links are dead or spam; (b) you should've just linked the final URL for the resource instead of 'click here, search here, click this'; and (c) these should both be on the talk pages of Wu (state) and Kam-Tai languages, as well as the articles on China's modern Wu and Zhejiang dialects. (d) Any discussion of Wu or Yue having been Kam–Tai languages should also mention the high likelihood Chu was a similar language as well.

Mostly, yeah, it's great that you share this at all (thanks!) but the most helpful way to present additional scholarly articles is to leave a correctly formatted {{citation}} template that people can just cut/paste directly into the article once they see how best to do that. In this case, you'd start off with

• Zhengzhang Shangfang (1990), 《古吴越地名中的侗台语成份》 [Some Kam–Tai Words in Place Names of the Ancient Wu and Yue States] (in Chinese).
• Zhengzhang Shangfang, 《句践“维甲”令中之古越语的解读》 (in Chinese).

leaving the other fields to be filled in by the editors later or getting the info to fill them in yourself as you go. If they were journal articles they would look like this:

• Zhengzhang Shangfang (1990), 〈古吴越地名中的侗台语成份〉 [Some Kam–Tai Words in Place Names of the Ancient Wu and Yue States], 《?》 [?] (in Chinese).
• Zhengzhang Shangfang, 〈句践“维甲”令中之古越语的解读〉, 《?》 [?] (in Chinese).

That's better, but of course the most important thing is to have the information at all. Thanks again! — LlywelynII 02:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

He's currently missing an article

but something should be done to our current king list if there are other entirely established names these people go by. Goujian's name is entirely established but his son that we call Luying King of Yue (越王鹿郢) is solely called Zhezhi Yuyi (者旨於睗) by the Hangzhou museum that has the guy's sword. One online site glosses the museum name as "Zhuji Shiyu (諸稽鼫與) i.e. King Luying" but that just adds yet another unexplained name to deal with.

Alternatively, maybe links should be made and stub articles created just to create a better place to store and explain the alt names. — LlywelynII 16:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)