Talk:Welsh English

Vowel charts

I've fixed them as much as I could (see and ). The previous versions (see and ) do not match what the sources say about the vowels (see pages 93–95 and 136).

Abercrave /a, aː, ɒ, ɒː/ were all way too close (well, at least the first two) and there was no /ɜː/ on the chart. The source says that the latter is an ordinary mid central vowel that isn't different from its RP counterpart, so I saw no reason not to add it to the chart. I also merged /ɛ/ with /ɛː/ as well as /ɒ/ with /ɒː/. I did it for the sake of simplicity - the chart still matches the source in that regard (see below).

Cardiff /a/ was also way too close, but on the other hand /iː/ and /uː/ were too open. I think that /ɛː/ and /øː/ are somewhat too open as well and I'll move them upwards (not all the way to the close-mid line, but closer to it).

The reason for these mistakes is that vowel charts in the source give allophonic ranges of the vowels rather than precise realizations thereof, which means that the circles/squares representing the vowels are considerably bigger than what we normally use on Wikipedia charts. This misled me to think that if I just put our dots in the middle of these circles/squares then that'd be an accurate representation of all main allophones of WE vowels. Well, in the majority of cases, it probably is. In the case of Abercrave /a, aː, ɒ, ɒː/ and Cardiff /a, iː, uː/ (and probably also /ɛː, øː/), it's clearly not. Mr KEBAB (talk) 06:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

ewe/you/yew distinction

The sources above and below don't seem to corroborate that Welsh English has this distinction, and the claim itself doesn't have any citation—should this be removed? Determinerteeth (talk) 00:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Do the Welsh people write an European instead of a European? If so, this is an evidence. --64.226.93.37 (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Also, "an university", "an union", etc.? 西城東路 (talk) 07:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

OK. 212.2.244.161 (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

IETF code

I guess that the IETF language code is en-u-sd-gbwls, since ISO_3166-2:GB#Countries_and_province has:

GB-WLS Wales [Cymru GB-CYM] country

but https://github.com/unicode-org/cldr/blob/main/common/subdivisions/en.xml says

<subdivision type="gbwls">Wales</subdivision>

Is there a current subdivision code for all Wales? -- Error (talk) 11:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Messy

The text has inconsistent lexical examples. Lexical Set headwords would be more useful. ~2025-35336-24 (talk) 11:28, 21 November 2025 (UTC)