Talk:Velarization

I don't remember Russian having any velarized consonants. I'm deleting Russian as an example here until someone proves me wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.21.163 (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The "hard" consonants of Russian are velarized. —Angr ^{If you've written a quality article...} 05:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Words ending with consonant use to be velarized and the “Ъ” was used to mark it, but it tended to disappear and in the 1918's orthography reform, the “Ъ” after consonant at the end of a word has been systematically suppressed, but the “Ъ” still mark what is called the “hard” consonants (as opposed to “soft” ones that are palatised and this palatisation is pronounced, that's a fact very well known), are they velarized to contrast with the palatisation, I don't know.

Moreover, there are a few Russian accents, so, some might velarized the “hard” consonants and some others might not. When you learn Russian, you learn (approximately) the accent from Moscow, some general things about other accents are said (the most common being that in a few accents, the “о” is pronounced the same in non accentuated part of words as it is in the accentuated parts of words in the Moscow's pronounciation), but, you can't know all about the Russian pronunciation… So, being a Russian student and linguistic enthusiast I would assume the first replay to have a certain truth, but I can't be sure of anything on that matter. ~2026-23818-98 (talk) 08:53, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Some examples perhaps?

Could some one add some examples to the artical? Im not the one to do this. Or maybe you could just give me some examples here.--Mollgaardm (talk) 01:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

There are some examples from English in the last paragraph, but if you speak a dialect that has only dark L or only light L in all positions, they probably won't mean much to you. —Angr ^{If you've written a quality article...} 05:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Some examples other than just 'l' would be nice, too. - sik0fewl (talk) 07:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

i thirdfourth these sentiments. to a non-linguist, this article is pretty much *whoosh*. a few nice "l as in the word x" examples would do wonders, and i've tagged the article appropriately. --Kaini (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

There are examples in the last paragraph. I've merged the 3rd-to-last paragraph into it to make clearer that they talk about the same case, and also added more examples. Too bad that they still all involve velarization of /l/ - making use of this feature is not common in the world's languages. The UCLA Phonological Segment Inventory Database includes only 13 languages with phonemic velarized consonants, and the only cases with something other than dark l are the alreddy listed Irish and Russian; a few of Khoisan languages, quite extraordinary even in other respects; an Athabaskan /tʰ/ ([tˣ]) example; secondary velarization in Yukaghir /r/; and one case of misplaced /w/. I don't recall offhand any languages missing in the sample, either.

/w/ and English /r/ could serve as phonetical examples, likewise retroflex consonants in a few languages (I've a paper on this I could cite), but without a contrast, it may be difficult to transmit the information correctly.--Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 11:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

some audio examples would be splendid if they could be found, when i think about it. there's a lot of spoken-word gaelic poetry in the public domain, for example --Kaini (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Voiceless velarization?

This article only seems to deal with voiced velarization (i.e. gamma superscript). Can we get some info about, for example, Lakhota voiceless velarization? Kielbasa1 (talk) 10:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

The symbol does not imply voicing, no more than ‹ʲ› or ‹ʷ› do. Something like "/tˣ/" is basically shorthand for /tʰˠ/ (as velarized aspiration is basically [x̞] & can also be realized as [x], much like how [hʲ] = [ç˕] ≈ [ç]). Lakhota would still probably make a good example of a language that has velarization of a voiceless segment in particular… --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 18:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Other languages that have this distinction in some form include

Include... what? Tell me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.13.238.92 (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

I will agree that the formatting was challenging to follow. I fixed it to the best of my ability, but it still is imperfect. Is it at least clearer?LakeKayak (talk) 14:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Can someone record a velarization?

I'm not really sure how it's pronounced, generally, article about pronunciation tied to the International Phonetic Alphabet have sound files as example, but there is non here, could someone do one? Thanks in advance. ~2026-23818-98 (talk) 08:56, 19 April 2026 (UTC)