Talk:Unification Church

Heaven and democracy

There's an oft-cited misquotation about "automatic theocracy" in the section on political viewpoints.

• Note that the phrase "automatic theocracy" is seen within the church as a translation error. Mrs. Won Pok Choi, while translating the extemporaneous speech, compressed several minutes of Rev. Moon's exposition about the process by which the world would become transformed into the kingdom of heaven into this two-word phrase. Critics used to use this quote to "prove" their claim that Rev. Moon was dictatorial and anti-democratic, but Andrew Wilson had the recorded speech re-translated and exposed the discrepancy. Here is the word-for-word re-translation:

  What? Separate religion from politics? Why separate religion from politics? Why separate politics from religion? Can you separate God from politics? God is active in the realization of all human affairs. Therefore, when the democracies produce a succession of many uncorrupted politicians, it will become heaven on earth. Don't you agree that this is the way it should be?

Uncle Ed (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

That seems to be saying that a democracy will naturally become an autocracy under uncorrupted politicians, no? Heaven is an absolute autocracy after all, not a democracy. Remember that beyond this specific quote the consensus is that Rev. Moon was dictatorial and anti-democratic, he certainly didn't tolerate any democratic dissent within the Church and I don't remember his position within the Unification Church being an elected one. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

@Horse Eye's Back I think the correlation between God and politics inferred in the quote alluded here, is a political system built on a moral framework where divine authority/insight influences political decisions, but where humans remain free to decide their own destiny. That was my understanding from a precariously superficial speed-reading of the Divine Principle. Saussure4661 (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Holy days

True God's Day (하나님의 날, established January 1, 1968) – always January 1 until 2009, then according to the lunar calendar – January 23, 2012

What does that even mean? From the perspective of a lunuar calendar that seems obvious nonsense since lunar and solar calendars usually don't match in consecutive years, and does the weird wording mean that 2012-01-23 was the last day this holiday was celebrated or what else? ~2025-43070-45 (talk) 07:06, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

list of prominent members?

it seems like it would be worth including a list of prominent members, considering that the "political influence" of this organization is one aspect that is consistently discussed. Pixor (talk) 17:23, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

"Assembly for the World's Religions" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Assembly for the World's Religions has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 May 12 § Assembly for the World's Religions until a consensus is reached. Suonii180 (talk) 12:18, 12 May 2026 (UTC)