Talk:Transvestigation

Those boxers at the 2024 Olympics/Practitioners' "identifying" techniques

Given just how high-profile the incidents are, I feel like the transvestigations and consequences thereof of Imane Khelif and Yuting Lin are noteworthy enough to deserve subheadings, or at least some sort of mention, should reputable enough sources be available. Special notice could go towards how in Khelif's case her opponent Luca Hámori fully bought into the conspiracy theories surrounding her and how in Lin's case there was significant socio-political fallout among the populace and government of Taiwan towards Robert Gilbraith for her large role in the proliferation of the disinformation campaign against her. Speculation about the motives for the deprecated IBA's actions towards the two athletes is probably outside the scope of the article proper, but their decision being the inciting incident is probably important enough.

Less on the topic of specific people and more on the phenomenon more generally, I believe the pseudoscientific methodologies used to determine who is/is not an "invert" should be given more prominence in the article's text (for example, the assumption of an exaggerated Q-angle that is visible to the naked eye through clothes in photographs and videos, usually of the subject mid-step, as well as the unreliable nature of the Adam's apple as a secondary sex characteristic). There likely isn't much literature to cite on the reasoning these people use and how they rationalize it to themselves, but hopefully the coming years can fill that gap in the field of sociology. 71.186.128.168 (talk) 23:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Etymology

I think that a more appropriate etymology for "transvestigation" would be more likely a portmanteau of "transvestite" and "investigation" rather than "transgender". I know that it means "Investigating a person and claiming they are transgender", but I see it as using "transvestite" as a pejorative term for transgender people. SecondBAR (talk) 11:53, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

I don't disagree, but I will argue that this fails to meet the criteria laid out in WP:NOR. If you are looking to include this content about the etymology, I recommend you find and cite a reliable source that directly makes such a conclusion. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:44, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Listing every celebrity that is subject to transvestigation conspiracy might be a BLP vio?

Thinking about this, but is it really necessary to list every celebrity? it could be a possible blpvio, right? User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 19:53, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

Yes, per WP:VICTIMIZE among other things. Probably the Macron and Obama conspiracies have accumulated enough secondary coverage that they might be due for inclusion, but many of the others are simply aggregations of Twitter bullshit from D-list public figures or complete randos. As a rule of thumb I would delete any name that is just thrown in as a transvestigation example and does not illustrate some deeper point or consequence of the phenomenon. Khelif might also be retained because that affair generated so much of its own weather, and the lede of her article in fact links to this one. Einsof (talk) 00:08, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

There are some examples of posthumous transvestigation. Using those as examples could be a good way to illustrate the matter without drawing unnecessary attention to malicious, stupid and false claims about living people. Idiots were trying to transvestigate Marilyn Monroe a while back.(1) That might be a good example. --DanielRigal (talk) 02:10, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

WP:BLP applies to recently dead per WP:BDP, though Marilyn Monroe is supposedly no longer recently dead. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 02:35, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

(necroposting) There could be at least one example of trans man-related transvestigation. And while the concept didn't have this name at the time, Lady Gaga example was highly debated and she even answered recently about that , but afaik the claim was that she is intersex (using the h slur), specifically. ~2026-37883-46 (talk) 19:44, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

Be careful with athletes

the sentiments around celebrities listed are conflated against sry gene concerns in sports. This is not the same situation and it's generating a POVFORK against sex verification in sports.

I recommend excluding athletes from this page if there are sry gene concerns involved. Otherwise this article is at risk of deletion nomination. SmolBrane (talk) 17:17, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Any such deletion nomination would be in blatant bad faith and would almost certainly WP:BOOMERANG on the nominator. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:57, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I appreciate the collaborative tone! I must be over the target. WP:VICTIMIZE as mentioned above would also be grounds for deletion if the athlete content is removed, and this article and term is very poorly sourced generally. SmolBrane (talk) 18:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I think this is settled quite simply by the fact that the only named mentions of athletes here carry citations to RSs saying they were the subject of transvestigation. We could make things more explicit in the article text, since the industrialist, children's author, and politician all frontally asserted that Khelif was a man posing as a woman, which is exactly the kernel of transvestigation. Einsof (talk) 01:24, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree. Any entry may be challenged for lack of good sources supporting its inclusion but a blanket ban on including athletes, when the sources support their inclusion, would be arbitrary and completely unacceptable. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2026 (UTC)