Talk:Tolkien: Man and Myth

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The result was: promoted by TarnishedPath (talk) 11:24, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

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• ... that Tolkien: Man and Myth is a biography of Tolkien recognized as particularly valuable for readers interested in the religious dimensions of his work? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/45296776
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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 580 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:07, 18 January 2026 (UTC).

• I will review this. TompaDompa (talk) 18:59, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - See below.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - See below.
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article created on 17 January, and meets the length requirement. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no outright copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing—though it gets a bit close at times, as summarizing book reviews is wont to. The hook is interesting (enough), but I don't think it quite conveys the same thing the source does ("Tolkien : Man and Myth makes an important contribution to the literature regarding Tolkien, especially for those who seek to understand Tolkien from a religious perspective."—the person rather than his work). I also don't think "recognized" is an appropriate word to use like this in the hook; "described" or similar would be fine. QPQ has been done. Some comments about the content:

• This may be a bit indelicate to ask, but did you use an LLM to help write/copyedit this? Some of the phrasings feel sort of AI-typical (e.g. Pearce’s book is thus seen as highlighting Tolkien’s role in reaffirming the cultural and spiritual importance of myth, suggesting that without myths and legends, modern humanity risks losing a sense of meaning, origin, and direction.).
• especially for readers interested in the religious dimensions of Tolkien’s work – as noted above, what the source says is "especially for those who seek to understand Tolkien from a religious perspective". It is of course common to use the name of an author metonymically to refer to their work, but that seems too much of an WP:INTERPRETATION here since the review notes that the book is both about Tolkien the person and his literary work.
• Wojciech Chudziński the Polish translation of the book – there seems to be a word missing here.
• Bradley J. Birzer writes in The J. R. R. Tolkien Encyclopedia that scholars had hardly discussed Tolkien's Catholicism until Pearce's Tolkien: Man and Myth – not quite what the source says ("Between 1984 and 1998, very little appeared specifically discussing Tolkien's Catholicism or the religious symbolism within his legendarium"). It might work to describe Birzer's point as similar to Caldecott's rather than the other way round, depending on the exact phrasing.
• it is focused on several aspects of Tolkien's life, such as his religiosity – I don't quite get this from the cited source ("with lively enthusiasm it evoked the spirit of the man, justified the popular poll that made him the “author of the century” and revealed the central importance of his faith").

Ping Piotrus. TompaDompa (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

• @TompaDompa: In order. First. Since I am not a native speaker, I use tools to refine my prose - Grammarly until recently, trying various AI tools these days. Second. I am afraid I fail to see the difference - I think my text is an accurate summary, but I am happy to consider alternatives if you have ideas on better phrasing. Upon rereading this several times, I got the point, I think, and replaced the phrasing with quotation. Third - missing word - yes, fixed. Just like in my second point, I am unsure how it is inaccurate or can be improved, outside of verbatim quotation and adding the "religious symbolism within his legendarium". Fourth. Likewise. I think this is a good if simplified summary, albeit yes, focusing on the last segment "evealed the central importance of his faith". Again, I am happy to consider and likely apply an specific fixes you have in mind, but I am not sure how to fix them myself. PS. I am proposing ALT0a with "described" instead of "recognized", per your suggestion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:14, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
• ALT0a... that a biography of Tolkien, Tolkien: Man and Myth, was described as particularly valuable for readers interested in the religious dimensions of his work? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/45296776
  • ALT0a is better, though it still says "interested in the religious dimensions of his work" where the source says "understand Tolkien from a religious perspective". Again, it's possible to interpret the source as talking specifically about Tolkien's work, but it is equally possible to interpret it as talking about Tolkien as a person, and we shouldn't be making an editorial decision to interpret it either way.
  • Birzer does not say that there was a lack of discussion before this book, only that there was a lack of such discussion between 1984 and 1998. Birzer brings up Jared Lobdell's England and Always: Tolkien's World of the Rings (1981) as an earlier example. On the other hand, Caldecott writes that "Tolkien's Catholicism had been largely ignored as somehow irrelevant to an understanding of the great novel" until this book and Pearce's later Tolkien: A Celebration.
  • I don't think "it is focused on several aspects of Tolkien's life" is an accurate summary of "it evoked the spirit of the man". I think it would be fine to write, for instance, "Caldecott noted that Peace's work is not intended to be a comprehensive biography, rather, among other things, it gives focus to Tolkien's religiosity." TompaDompa (talk) 18:16, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
  • @TompaDompa: Thank you; I c/e-ed the article to address your concerns, and how about ALT0b below, using a direct quote? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:18, 1 February 2026 (UTC)
• ALT0b... that a biography of Tolkien, Tolkien: Man and Myth, was described as particularly valuable for readers interested in "understand[ing] Tolkien from a religious perspective"? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/45296776
  • ALT0b ready. TompaDompa (talk) 20:41, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
• The nomination has been pulled per this discussion, which raised DYKCOMPLETE concerns. This will be re-approved once that is addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
  • @TompaDompa: Per above; note I've added the requested summary (based on my reading of the book). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
    • Should be fine. I'll have to take your word for it that it's an accurate reflection of the contents. I have fixed some typos and whatnot. TompaDompa (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2026 (UTC)