Talk:The Pandoras

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As Jennifer Finch went on to play in L7 and Kim Shattuck went on to play in the Muffs, both influential bands in Los Angeles, I think they meet the Wikipedia guidelines for importance. The Pandoras also were representative of a certain time in the 1980s Los Angeles music scene (the Paisley Underground era in particular). Unfortunately, because the Pandoras' existence predated the Web, there isn't much information on the Internet about them - an All Music Guide entry and a brief page on the Bomp! site as well as the link which I have listed in the main article.

h== The very beginning......... ==

I came across this Pandora page today, while working on my website. Being the first bass player for the Pandoras, (Deborah Mende or Menday, depending on what article or picture your looking at) had seen inaccurate info. on our beginnings before. I always put it down to all the chaos and fiasco of the Pandoras splitting in two, and the fighting over the Pandora name.....and hey, I had moved on, gotten back into my visual art, got married, had a kid, etc. So, today, I don't know what came over me. Maybe it was the stress of having made a big move of my home, and studio to Arizona...maybe it was the weird desert storm that passed through here a little while ago. Maybe, after seeing the Pandora article, and having not thought about them in so long, brought the memory back of Casey calling me in 1991, when I was pregnant with my son, about Paula's death. Whatever...it made me want to escape back some twenty six years ago to that little college, (Chaffey College, to be exact).....and write about Paula and I sitting in the women's bathroom, (yes, I said bathroom, lol, the acoustics, you know?), banging out songs on our guitars, and our only worry was how we were going to get our name out. Paula's idea was to graffiti our name all over the Hollywood nightclubs, even though we needed to get our shit together, and get a drummer and bass player-of which I ended up the bass player. Writing this kind of memoir, so to speak, brought back that sad feeling I had in 1991, when Casey called to tell me about Paula's death. After I left the band, I never spoke to Paula again....I wish I had. Anyway, with just one of us still here, thought I'd get the story straight. So, I guess, the rightful/legal name of the Pandoras, actually was Paula's. It's great that she's being remembered on that Pandora website, on the link of the Wik. page; because Paula ate, drank, slept, breathed music....it's what she lived for.

Peace..........

    Thanks for writing this Deborah. I was just listening to the Pandoras today and thought I'd take a look at the Wikipedia page.
    The Pandora's music will always live on. Rhinestone K (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Emergency Protection Request & Revert

{{admin help}}

== The Pandoras ==
* {{la|The Pandoras}}

**Protection level requested:** Semi-protection
**Reason:** Persistent edit warring, disruptive edits, and unsourced contentious claims added by anonymous IPs and accounts with a Conflict of Interest (WP:COI). 

**Target Revision:** Please revert/rollback the article to the clean revision from earlier today https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Pandoras&oldid=1372479792 and apply semi-protection to prevent further edit warring regarding living band members (WP:BLP). 

''Note: The active performing entity holds US Federal Trademark Serial No. 99156958.''

7833andsingle (talk) 02:06, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Twice in the last 24 hours, the TA Special:Contributions/~2026-47488-02 added unreferenced new material, concluding with the promotional "Stay tuned for more Pandora news." The above request is to restore one of these problematic versions. The biggest problem here is that the new material talks about 2026, but the most recent citation is from 2025. The new stuff is not from a published source, which is required. The second problem is its promotional tone. Binksternet (talk) 03:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

The updates regarding 2026 activities are factual live touring and release updates, supported by official trademark ownership (US Reg. No. 99156958). The phrase "Stay tuned" can easily be omitted to keep the tone strictly encyclopedic and neutral (WP:NPOV).

However, replacing recent activity with contentious edits or removing active entity status violates WP:BLP and WP:COI. We welcome neutral, secondary reliable sources to verify the 2026 tour dates and entity status, but reverting the article to an outdated version or allowing disruptive edit warring is not constructive.

We ask the reviewing administrator to evaluate the page history, restore the core factual updates without any promotional phrasing, and apply semi-protection to stabilize the page.

7833andsingle (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

There is no edit warring to justify protection. If this page were to be protected, it would probably be to stop anon users making promotional and poorly-referenced edits to it, but even that would be unwarranted and premature at this stage.

@7833andsingle: please respond to the conflict of interest (COI) query on your talk page.

@Binksternet: thank you for reverting the inappropriate edits, and for your helpful comments above.

As this requires no administrative action, I'm closing the help request. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:20, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I am officially disclosing a Conflict of Interest (WP:COI) as an authorized representative of the trademark holder for The Pandoras (US Reg. No. 99156958). In full compliance with Wikipedia policy, I will not make direct edits to the main article and will bring all proposed edits, references, and requests exclusively to the article's Talk page using the {{edit COI}}

template. 7833andsingle (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

@7833andsingle: okay.

I have neutered the {{edit COI}} template you added above. The live template adds this page to the pending edit requests list, and a patroller will come along at some point to review it. It's best not to add the template here until and unless there is an edit request being made.

As for your COI disclosure, you need to make it either here on this page (at the top) using the {{connected contributor}} template, or on your userpage User:7833andsingle using the {{user COI}} template.

Note that if you are working for or with The Pandoras in any capacity (employment, contractual, agency, etc.) you will need to make the more specific WP:PAID disclosure instead, which is done using slightly different templates. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Proposed Text Update: 2026 Activity

• • Location to insert:** History section

• • Proposed Text:**

The Pandoras resumed active live touring in 2026, performing concert dates across Europe and the United States.

• • Reliable Sources for Verification:**
• US Federal Trademark Registration Serial No. 99156958
• https://www.americanbluesscene.com/2026/04/girls-gone-wild-women-rock-little-stevens-underground-garage-cruise-2/

• • Reason for change:** To update article history with verified, neutral info

7833andsingle (talk) 19:43, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Edit Request: Current Lineup and 2026 Activity

Update: Current Roster and 2026 Activity == **Location to insert:** Infobox (Current Members) and History section **Proposed Text:** The Pandoras resumed active live performances in 2026, touring across North America and Europe. The current active performing lineup features: * Karen Basset – lead guitar, vocals * Melanie Vammen – organ, keys * Sheri Weinstein – drums * Natalie Grace Sweet – bass, vocals **Reliable Sources for Verification:** * US Federal Trademark Registration Serial No. 99156958 * https://razibus.net/07-05-2026-the-pandoras-us-automatic-lovers-es-labo-arts-toulouse-35539.html* https://retroman65.blogspot.com/2026/05/the-pandoras-at-hope-anchor-islington.html?m=1 **Reason for change:** To accurately reflect the active performing lineup and recent 2026 tour activity using neutral, verified third-party references in compliance with WP:BLP and WP:COI. 7833andsingle (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

I don't see an author named at the razibus.net webpage. It is not reliable if it is not signed by the author. The retroman65.blogspot.com does not have a known music expert or career journalist writing it, which means it doesn't rise above the usual blog milieu. You would need to name the blogger and show that they are a subject-matter expert. See WP:SELFPUB. The trademark filing is not a reliable source for the current band members. It names Vammen and Weinstein only, not Basset and not Sweet. The trademark doesn't talk about the activities of the band. Binksternet (talk) 23:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you for the detailed feedback on sourcing criteria under WP:RS and WP:SELFPUB. To satisfy Wikipedia's third-party reliability requirements regarding the active performing roster and recent/upcoming performance history, please see the following published music press articles, interviews, and verified concert index listings: 1. **Dying Scene Interview (January 2026):** https://dyingscene.com/ds-interview-the-pandoras-on-their-past-and-their-future/ * *Verifies:* An in-depth interview featuring active members Melanie Vammen, Karen Basset, Sheri Weinstein, and Natalie Grace Sweet discussing the band's history, current roster, and May 2026 European tour. 2. **American Blues Scene Coverage (April 2026):** https://www.americanbluesscene.com/2026/04/girls-gone-wild-women-rock-little-stevens-underground-garage-cruise-2/ * *Verifies:* Published coverage of Little Steven's Underground Garage Cruise 2, reviewing live performances by the active lineup of The Pandoras. 3. **JamBase Event Index (Gold-Diggers, September 24, 2026):** https://www.jambase.com/show/the-pandoras-gold-diggers-20260924 * *Verifies:* Published concert index for the active lineup's upcoming performance at Gold Diggers in Los Angeles with Jesika Von Rabbit and Vanessa Silberman. These independent secondary sources and venue listings explicitly document the active performing roster and ongoing concert activity. Thank you for taking the time to review! 7833andsingle (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

Proposed Text Update: Neutrality Fix (Reunions Section)

• • Location to update:** Reunions section

• • Current Text:**

"In 2025, members who recorded the album "It’s About Time" with Paula Pierce... call themselves 'The Original Pandoras' since they were the band members on the Pandoras’ most famous album, "It’s About Time," while the other long-running Pandoras featuring Melanie Vammen, Karen Blankfeld, Sheri Kaplan Weinstein use the name 'The Pandoras,' as they are the bandmates Paula chose to tour with 'It's About Time.'"

• • Proposed Replacement Text:**

"In 2025, former members Gwynne Kahn, Bambi Conway, and Casey Gomez—who performed on the 1984 debut album *It's About Time*—formed a separate group called 'The Original Pandoras', joined by Lisa Black, Liza Dean, and Anna Vinton. Meanwhile, long-running members including Melanie Vammen, Karen Basset, and Sheri Weinstein continued performing under the name 'The Pandoras'."

• • Reason for change:** To eliminate non-encyclopedic, subjective phrasing ("most famous album") per WP:NPOV and present the distinct active groups neutrally and concisely.

7833andsingle (talk) 20:14, 1 September 2026 (UTC)