Talk:Susan Swain

Article overhaul

Hi editors, I'm Robin and I work for Beutler Ink. I have a COI regarding this article so I am posting suggested changes to the Talk page per the guidelines for COI editing.

I propose replacing the article with this draft.

The current article has many inaccuracies, uses future looking language in violation of WP:CRYSTALBALL (e.g. "will stay on"), and does not abide by the requirements set out in WP:BLP. My version corrects these inaccuracies, adds appropriate sources, reformats the bibliography to meet Manual of Style requirements, swaps the infobox photo for a better one, and expands the infobox where possible. This diff shows the changes in detail.

Please let me know what you think. Cheers, BINK Robin (talk) 18:38, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Robin. Let me make some notes on your changes.

• Removing date of birth, replacing with "1954 or 1955". Possibly reasonable. The full date is uncited in our article, and the best source I can find for it after a brief search is https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1437107/000119312519083609/d722388ddef14a.htm which is a corporate board of directors listing; so on the one hand, clearly reliable, since I suspect there are legal consequences attached to it being wrong, but on the other hand, not really "widely published". WP:BLPPRIVACY encourages us to cut birthdate down to just the year if it's not widely published, the subject complains, and we have a good source; is she complaining and can she or you give us a good source? Honestly just a tweet or a blog post "I was born in 1954" that she clearly wrote would do fine.
• Removing honorary doctorate from U of Scranton in 1999 - actually, I think we should keep that one. Here are two good sources: https://nationalpress.org/judge/susan-swain/ https://news.scranton.edu/articles/2017/04/KSOM-Hall-of-Fame-2017.shtml
• ... more to come ... --GRuban (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Starting requested edit. I cropped the image you preferred to focus on her face, rather than the podium and curtain behind her. What a great image! I wonder who found and uploaded it? --GRuban (talk) 14:18, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@GRuban: Hi, thanks for all the changes you've made so far! I am looking into the birthday question. I hadn't noticed who uploaded that photo, haha. I think it's a big improvement, thank you for cropping it down. Cheers, BINK Robin (talk) 20:04, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

I, said the Sparrow... OK, I think I got most of what you suggested other than that. Please ping me if I missed something, or when you/she decide on the date/year thing. --GRuban (talk) 20:32, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

@GRuban: Just to follow up here, I have confirmed they are fine with the article including Swain's full birthdate. Thanks for all your help, I think the article is in good shape! Cheers BINK Robin (talk) 20:12, 21 February 2025 (UTC)