Talk:Super Mario RPG/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Modding

Should we say something about the Lazy Shell modding tool and the modding community using it? I don't see this mentioned in the article.98.101.136.218 (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard of this. What sourced information do you have on this? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Here, have a look around...

http://giangurgolo.home.att.net/smrpg/ 98.101.136.218 (talk) 03:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

So is this run on a standard computer rather than a SNES cartridge? Also, has this tool been mentioned by anyone besides the developer? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 07:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, using a ROM and an emulator. LazyShell modifies the ROM to do all sorts of things. There are videos of its capabilities floating around Youtube and I am working on a mod with it myself. It may be some time before anything major comes up that is worth mentioning in the article, but it is something to be watching. 98.101.136.218 (talk) 15:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

It's not really standard to include such a thing. Do any other articles mention it? I don't even see it in games that are actually known for having mods available. Maybe this article can be the one to start a trend, but, considering some of the militant editors out there, I doubt it would stick. usucdik 00:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

It would be hard, but that doesn't mean it'd be impossible. All we have to do is show that it's a big deal, and the easiest way to do that is to find a credible newspaper that talks about it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Tomato Adventure

Should this article mention this GBA title that was also done by Chihiro Fujioka? They play similar. Even the victory theme of Tomato Adventure sounds similar to Super Mario RPG's. Parrothead1983 (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Only if it's covered in reliable sources (WP:VG/RS) czar ♔ 19:56, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

RPGFan

Is RPGFan a reliable source? It's about section here makes it seem like a fan site as it's gone through several owners and operators without any serious business technique. Not to mention that it's staff seems to allow anyone to join. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

It was vetted as reliable at WP:VG/RS. czar ♔ 12:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Ummmm...

Closing discussion started by sockpuppet of TDFan2006. Binksternet (talk) 02:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC) The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This game must have been released in Europe. I live in UK and I had this game. When did it get released? 2.99.199.59 (talk) 08:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

No it was not. Maybe you had an import though. NathanWubs (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

VC in infobox

Re: @LaytonPuzzle27, Template:Infobox video game#platforms makes it very clear to not include emulated releases in the infobox. I said this in my edit summary. Please revert your edit. – czar 16:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Sources

• http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-an-unexpected-pairing-gave-super-mario-rpg-a-20-year-legacy
• http://www.usgamer.net/articles/usgamers-rpg-podcast-super-mario-rpg-axe-of-the-blood-god-55

czar 00:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Numerically this is a slight edge to moving, but Masem raised a very good point about different names in different regions, that was never addressed. This combined with Czar's argument about weighting the various parts of naming has a strong enough basis in policy for me to not be able to find a consensus to move. There is the option of the relist, but I don't think it appropriate here: there has already been substantial discussion in this listing period, and I don't think a relist would be likely to clarify the consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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Super Mario RPG → Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven StarsSuper Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars – Official name in tens of thousands of sources. ToThAc (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support move. I must again stress that we do not always use official names, but here the common name and official name are the same.  ONR  (talk)  18:30, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
• Support - The original move was done in a WP:RECKLESS manner._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. Title should be the best balance of what is recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify), per the naming criteria (article titles policy). Leaving off the subtitle in this case reflects the best balance of the criteria. (See also the subtitle naming convention.) The current version unambiguously and concisely identifies the subject recognizably and naturally. While some sources use the full title, it is also frequently shortened to just "Super Mario RPG". (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 07:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

• @Czar: Are you not worried that, w/r/t to the "preciseness" of the title, Super Mario RPG might refer to the genre (Mario role-playing games) and not just this one game? Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 13:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@Czar: Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars IS its most recognizable name. Check all the sources you'd like. ToThAc (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

No, are you? Which other "Mario RPG" is confusable with "Super Mario RPG"? If there were other Super Mario RPGs of which this one was the most prominent, I could ostensibly see a need for disambiguation, but as far as I can tell, this one is clearly the primary topic for the phrase.

@ToThAc, as I paraphrased, the naming criteria is a balance between the criteria. Game journalists often use the official name on first mention, but the question is how it is most often referenced in general texts. But even if, for whatever reason, you find the subtitle to be the most recognizable part of its name, I still don't see how "Legend of the Seven Stars" would be necessary by the other criteria. czar 16:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support, as there are other RPGs based upon Super Mario out there. Not a unambigous title. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 13:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose "Super Mario RPG" is a completely unique title, and there are no other "Super Mario" RPGs (there are plenty though of Mario RPGs). A hat-note to that list would be appropriate to help redirect people that might search on that, but there's no name conflict here to require the move. --MASEM (t) 17:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

  @Masem: Since when has being a "completely unique page" ever been grounds to keep a page title? ToThAc (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

  The arguments here boil down to whether we should be sticklers for the exact title used in some regions of release, over its more common title used in other regions, but also used as the shortcut name for the game in the forementioned regions, and where there is no other naming conflict getting in the way. If there was a naming conflict in that second option, then the first option makes logical sense to avoid it. But without the naming conflict, common naming takes precedence over exact/precise naming. --MASEM (t) 22:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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Newly translated interviews

See: http://shmuplations.com/supermariorpg/ TarkusAB^talk 02:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Geno in Smash Bros

@Smuckola: @Vinnylospo: So I'm seeing a little back and forth in regards to Geno's inclusion in Super Smash Bros, so I want to start a discussion here in hopes of avoiding an edit war. The current revision stands at:

Though Geno's only leading video game role is in Super Mario RPG, Masahiro Sakurai added the popularly requested character to the Super Smash Bros. fighting game series because of his projectile hand.

This is not entirely true. Geno was not "added" in any Smash game. In Wii U/3DS, a Geno skin for Mii Fighter was released, but he's not considered part of the roster, same as Cuphead or Sans. The first part of the sentence isn't really notable either, as many other Smash characters have only appeared in one game (like Duck Hunt or Ice Climbers).

The source makes clear that the character is a popular request; Sakurai wanted to include the character since Brawl but couldn't (whether or not it's due to licensing is speculation); the character was included as a skin in Wii U/3DS. All of these should be taken into account here. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Huh. I just noticed something.

The remake lacks the subtitle Serouj2000 (talk) 18:13, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Bad Sources in development section

I have read "Epic News" in Nintendo Power issue 77, pages 26-29, and so many citations pull from this article, that don't occur in the article at all. Citation 21, supposedly about a 60% completed game with turned based mario characters weilding weapons, cites this article, and this article says that they had a 70% completed game that played more like Zelda Link to the past.

This source was used correctly at other times in the article, but a large number of the citations all come from this Nintendo Power article, that does not cover what is stated. 64.33.139.18 (talk) 00:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Split request for the "Remake" section

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The result of this discussion was to keep and not split. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Support - The remake clearly has significant coverage from independent and reliable sources, as shown from this WP:VG/RS-oriented Google search. — Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Tell that to people like lazy TommyO. 2600:1017:B009:F8E5:EC3F:694D:9CDA:2EA3 (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

2600:1017:B009:F8E5:EC3F:694D:9CDA:2EA3, please do not make personal attacks towards other users. — Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 02:13, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - The Switch remake, aside from some extra content, is pretty much a faithful remake of the original SNES release. Everything about the remake could be talked about here on the article, much like how ProtoDrake did with his work on the Live A Live article. Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose for now. The right way to do this is to use the sources to expand the section in the existing article. If it gets to a point where there's a lot of good content and the section is getting big, then split the article. Popcornfud (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Metroid Prime: Remastered is a section within the original Metroid Prime article. - Richiekim (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

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