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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I will review this right away --K. Peake 09:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good!
• Add a comma after Surfaces in the first sentence and mention it is from the deluxe edition of the group's fourth studio album, Pacifico (2021)
  • O.K.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Make the first sentence one with the composer credits, then add a second sentence about the song being recorded at a place fitted with music production equipment
  • Done-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "The song was debuted" → "It was debuted"
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:29, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "in 2021 and was released a" → "on July 31, 2021, and was released as a single" to be more specific
  • Thx.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "and as a viral" → "and a viral"
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:39, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Before the commercial usage sentence, add one about the song's appearance on the New Zealand Hot Singles Chart
  • Done--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "in a variety of ways including" → "in a variety of ways, including"
  • Done--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Background

• "use of the phrase spiked as" → "the phrase spiked as"
  • Ok.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "often in humorous," → "This was often in humorous," as a new sentence to avoid a run-on
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pipe ad-lib to Ad libitum
  • Ok.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Remove the Central Texas newspaper introduction since that is not needed
  • Surfaces is a band with roots at Texas A&M University, which is in Central Texas. We are pesenting the only major newspaper in the country that even gave a cursory reveiw of the song, so we probably should clarify this connection.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
    • Another editor edited this section to remove the newspaper, I moved the Central Texas link to the other section of the article where the newspaper was mentioned.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
    • P.S. I am thinking that I could add a phrase Although based in College Station, Texas or Although based in Central Texas to the beginning of the "Production and release" section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• "describes the song's use of" → "described the song's use of"
  • I did this as well.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Recording and live performance

• Maybe think of a better title since this also deals with release?
  • Is "Production and release" better?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:36, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Mention when the two weeks session was
  • I am unable to determine if it was in 2020 or 2021. We know it was at some point before they released the original Pacifico in June 2021. Any advice?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "They performed at" → "The group performed at"
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pipe Universal Music to Universal Music Group
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Remove the comma before Pacifico
  • Comma belongs where it is.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:10, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• "have music composition credits for the song." → "have composer credits."
  • sort of.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:15, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pipe mixer to Audio mixing (recorded music)
  • Wow. Thx for paying such close attention to the links.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:19, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Reception and charts

• Would you be able to add the info for a comp section above/merged with this?
  • I don't know what you are asking about?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Retitle to Reception since commercial is also a form of reception
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:21, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Wikilink NZ Hot Singles Chart per MOS:LINK2SECT
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• "note that Verdes contributes" → "noted that Verdes contributes"
  • Thx.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pipe pop to Pop music
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:32, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pipe hip-hop to Hip hop music
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:35, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Use in television

• "on January 24, 2022 and" → "on January 24, 2022, and"
  • I think MOS is trumping grammar there, but I went with it.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• "audiences as well as" → "audiences, as well as"
  • thx.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• "TikTok, Snapchat, Twitch" → "TikTok, Snapchat, and Twitch"
  • OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio score looks fab at 5.7%!!!!
  • !!-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
• Refs 2 and 5 are basically duplicates
  • merged.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:41, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
• Onairwithryan.iheart.com → On Air With Ryan iHeart on ref 3
  • OK--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:50, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
• Elitedaily.com → Elite Daily on ref 4 with the wikilink and fix MOS:QWQ issues
  • Don't understand QWQ issue. Which quote?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:12, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 6
  • Again, don't understand QWQ issue. Which quote?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:22, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
• Beyondthestagemagazine.com → Beyond The Stage Magazine on ref 8
  • OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 11 and cite Universal Music Canada as publisher instead, piping to Universal Music Group
  • Again, don't understand QWQ issue. Which quote?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
• Remove wikilink on Universal Music for ref 12
  • Fixed-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
• Ref 13 only has an editorial team of three; why is it a reliable source?
  • Not. In fact several sources have release dates earlier than 9/6. A few sources mention 9/3 (including https://musicboard.app/album/246675591/reviews?order_by=helpful). SoundCloud uses an August 31 date. They are probably reliable.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Allmusic → AllMusic on ref 14 with the wikilink
  • Someone has already done this.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Cite Pitchfork as work/website instead on ref 16
  • OK (website).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Remove or replace ref 17 per WP:SELFPUB
  • Hmm. OK. (reluctantly).TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• TheDrum.com → The Drum on ref 20
  • Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:28, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Formatting of Ispot.tv needs to be consistent for refs 18 and 21
  • Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:31, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Pipe Channel3000 to WISC-TV on ref 22
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:36, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

• OK. So I need feedback on about a half dozen issues above.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:36, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

• On hold until all of the issues are fixed! --K. Peake 21:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
• Thx for the extensive review.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• User:Kyle Peake, I have a few questions.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

• TonyTheTiger Regarding incomplete points, the composers should be mentioned in the lead's recording sentence rather than the first one, comma is not needed before Pacifco since that is not the lead, adding info for a section meant composition of the song and QWQ issues refers to when you have used double speech marks ("") in ref titles. --K. Peake 20:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

• User:Kyle Peake

What about the first two issues in the "Recording and live performance" section?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Also in that section, I am using the comma to set off a parenthetical phrase.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:14, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

In the background section, I discussed Central Texas. feedback awaited.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:15, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Further needed on first topic of "Reception and charts" section.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

WP:QWQ handled.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

• TonyTheTiger I left those points unanswered because I felt they were fine so needed no further response; apologies if you found this rude. Also, I already replied to the reception and charts query by mentioning that you should add info for a composition section; this is almost good to go now. --K. Peake 08:51, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake:, OK. I just added a Texas point to add meaning to the Central Texas element. What type of content would go in a composition section?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• TonyTheTiger Composition section would be meant for music and lyrics, or only one if you cannot add both with the info available. --K. Peake 11:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake:, I have pretty much milked all available sourced info on the song. I would not know where to find additional content. Would you prefer that I carve out a composition section from the content currently in Production and release. You are free to make this adjustment as well.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

•  Pass now, it is acceptable with the background and production/release sections including some comp info! --K. Peake 15:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)