Talk:Sbai

Unreliable source

This book makes extensive references to one source: Thai Clothing: Sabai, Thai-Style Dresses, Phra Kiao, Thai Fisherman Pants (Books LLC, ISBN: 9781158488735). This source is, at best, questionable, and appears to be an extract of Wikipedia articles. (I.e. this article is using an external copy of itself as a reference.) Are better sources available?? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

I've just done a rewrite of the article, and it appears the book does plagiarise from Wikipedia, so I've treated it as an unreliable source and removed it as part of the larger reorganisation and clean-up effort. I hope it looks better now. Epistulae ad Familiares (talk) 06:53, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd be careful of the use of the term "plagiarise". It is well within the Wikipedia terms of use to copy sections of the encyclopedia for independent publication, as long as the original Wikipedia articles are acknowledged within the book. Books LLC has apparently made a business of this. That said, I appreciate your efforts to clean up the article from more reliable sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice! I take back the part about plagiarism. I will be more cautious and precise about my choice of words. Epistulae ad Familiares (talk) 07:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Move request

I think the Sbai article should be moved to Shawl-like garments. I feel that the current Sbai article places too much emphasis on its connection to Cambodia, and I also found the sources in the Cambodia section to be unreliable.Tmaoa492s (talk) 13:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

The concern, that the title following the Cambodian term does not reflect the international scope of the article, is a valid one. A neutral English-language term should be preferred if one exists and is commonly used by reliable sources, but "Shawl-like garment" is neither recognisable nor specific enough. Museum collections seem to either use "breast cloth" or "shoulder cloth", but neither of these are specific to the form found in Mainland Southeast Asia. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Disagree, it should remain as is. The terminology 'sbai' can be compared to 'sari', and is deserving of its own page, just as sari has it's own. Sbai and variants of the word are the majority pronunciation for the garment. Shawl-like garments is too broad and removes the historical importance of sbai in Southeast Asia. MosheeYoshee (talk) 22:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Woman with sbai

The woman with sbai in gallery

topic

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Femme-serail.jpg

Was Siamese referring to book Siam, Land und volk by DR. Von karl Siegfried dohring, architector, historian in 1909

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-royal-asiatic-society/article/abs/siam-by-karl-dohring-band-i-land-und-volk-band-ii-die-bildende-kunst-mit-ausnahme-der-plastik-munich-georg-muller-verlag-der-indische-kulturkreis-in-einzeldarstellungen-1923/64685EA5EA6B8A3595BE3D1D3E21CE7E

Maijimizio (talk) 02:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Ang Mey pic was in "1866".

First Khmer woman wearing sbai's pic is Ang mey's pic which was photographed by Emile Gsell in 1866. While First Siamese woman wearing sbai was Rama IV's wife photographed by Pierre Joseph Rossier in 1861. MTha8456 (talk) 14:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Origin of Sbai word

Add root of Sbai word from Austronesian Comparative Dictionary https://www.trussel2.com/ACD/acd-s_s1.htm#9620 Rui.orfao (talk) 05:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Further examination of the roots of the term sabai found that the term originates from the Austronesian languages, which contracted from the terms sapay (Formosan), sebai (Malay), and sabai, respectively. Your proposal backed by the most reliable source from the Proto-Austronesian Phonology of Cornell University Southeast Asia Program (SEAP). Quantplinus (talk) 09:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

All fake information on this article

cambodian on the internet nowadays always created the false history and fake information they need to claim and wanted be exciting. Patcharapongratta (talk) 11:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Fake information from Cambodia

The wedding dress from Cambodia is Sombot not in this picture. the fake information claim after watching Thai Drama in 2018 HistoricBatman (talk) 14:56, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The unfound reference

The reference Hauser, A. G. (2019). Textiles and Identity in Cambodia: Weaving Histories. Honolulu: University of Hawai‘i Press appears to have never existed as a real publication. It only shows up in a few citations (two on Wikipedia and one on Facebook), with no ISBN, cover, or library record. There is also a link to this reference inside the article content. Could you please review, and if appropriate, remove or revise the material that depends on this questionable source? Rainy1992 (talk) 00:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Rainy1992 asked on my talk page. I've reverted ShalaylayPumpano's edit, which introduced the fake reference. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Sbai is a Khmer loanword in Thai language

สไบ TRANSLITERATION sà-bai THAI PHONETIC [ สะ-ไบ ] [ Noun, of Khmer origin ] breast cloth

https://www.thai2english.com/?q=%E0%B8%AA%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%9A%0A ~2026-20956-47 (talk) 01:28, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

This word belongs to the Austronesian language family. ~2026-29387-90 (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2026

I request permission to edit this article because it contains false evidence intended to mislead readers and potentially lead to endless debate. Furthermore, some people are misusing this article, which can create contradictions, and those who are unaware might be misled by this information. ~2026-29387-90 (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

A 'Mon' section instead?

The Mon are an ethnic group distinct from Burmese and Siamese, and are also stateless people. It doesn't make much sense to have them split between Myanmar and Thailand, and both the 'Myanmar' and the 'Thailand' sections use nearly the exact same sentence for the same unsourced claim about Dvaravati artifacts.

Why can't there just be a section for the Mon people instead? MoonsMoon (talk) 20:25, 15 July 2026 (UTC)