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Jan van Meer Music Lesson
[edit]Jan van Meer's "painting-withing-paintings" were usually of works by Utrecht Carravagists, of which Dirck van Baburen painted a Roman Charity. As you can see, it looks nothing like it.Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 23:47, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Completely false citation
[edit]The article previously included the sentence and citation
- A painting in the [[Temple of Pietas]] depicted the scene.<ref>Mary Beagon, ''The [[Pliny the Elder|Elder Pliny]] on the Human Animal:'' [[Natural History (Pliny)|Natural History]]'' Book 7'' (Oxford University Press, 2005), p. 314 [https://books.google.com/books?id=vrP5hEO5qCgC&dq=%22The+theme%2C+of+a+woman+giving+her+milk+to+an+aged+parent%22&pg=PA314 online.]</ref>
There is absolutely nothing in that source at that page about any painting, statue, or art of any kind in the Temple of Piety. It's possible the original editor just misread the text (it's very dense) or used their cite in the wrong place. Don't restore the "information" or source without correcting the problem and pointing to a valid wp:rs, though. — LlywelynII 06:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Similar issue
[edit]- While the guard does hesitate and wonder if perhaps what he saw was [[sexuality in ancient Rome#Female–female sex|against nature]] (an act of lesbianism), he concludes that in fact it is an example of the first law of nature, which is to love one's own parents.<ref>Jutta Sperling, [https://demeterpress.org/books/breastfeeding-culture-discourses-and-representations/ “Same-Sex Lactations in European Art and Literature (ca. 1300-1800): Allegory, Melancholy, Loss,”] in: Breastfeeding and Culture: Discourses and Representation, eds. Ann Marie A. Short, Abigail L. Palko, and Dionne.</ref>
I'm not removing this since Sperling may well say that but it will need to be removed or clarified. The current placement makes it sound like Pliny's account includes this sqeamishness, which it very much does not. Assuming it wasn't made up whole cloth (in which case yeah remove it), the actual source Sperling is supposedly pointing to needs to be explained, possibly involving moving it to another paragraph to avoid the current mistaken connection to Pliny's version. — LlywelynII 12:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Given 2 out of 2 examined sources were plausible but entirely mistaken as used so far, it might be worth someone checking more of these citations or at least throwing up some templates that this needs housekeeping by the people who do. — LlywelynII 12:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
origin of the story
[edit]Say, would anybody know if we have evidence of where Valerius Maximus got that story? Because one thing looks sure to me, it may be called "Roman Charity" nowadays, but the story as told is clearly not Roman. For one thing, the father doesn't have a Roman name, and his daughter does not follow Roman naming conventions (feminine version of the gentilitium or cognomen). I thought Greece might be the source (the names sound compatible to me) but I don't remember if the Greek lent as much importance to filial piety as the Romans did. Or it might come from somewhere else that I have no idea about. Svartalf (talk) 05:32, 10 May 2026 (UTC)