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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 July 2026

Under the heading: Leader of Restore Britain

There is a grammar error within the below paragraph which I have highlighted in bold:

The Leader of Restore Britain is the most senior and highest position within Restore Britain. The current holder is party founder Rupert Lowe, who became leader on 30 June 2025 after founding the party as a pressure group. Lowe and Reform UK Leader Nigel Farage due to Lowe's criticism of Reform UK's leadership and criticism of Farage, which led to his departure from Reform UK in March 2025.[62] On 13 February 2026 Restore Britain became a political party.[63] Makethingsright7 (talk) 21:15, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Already done Day Creature (talk) 18:10, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Edit Request: Update No. of Councillors on 29 July 2026

Due to defection of Cornwall councillor Bruce Craze from Reform UK to Restore Britain.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/another-reform-uk-councillor-cornwall-11083417

Please change info box from 34 / 18,645 to 35 / 18,645 councillors.

Please change main section - Elected representatives > Councillors > Cornwall from 1/87 to 2/87

Finally change date from: As of 14 July 2026 to As of 29 July 2026 Makethingsright7 (talk) 20:11, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

forgot to say. You can see 25 councillors here: https://www.opencouncildata.co.uk/councillors.php?p=522&y=0

plus 10 here: https://www.opencouncildata.co.uk/councillors.php?p=530&y=0 Makethingsright7 (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Auspol4 can you help with the above edit request please as no one seems interested. Thanks Makethingsright7 (talk) 15:05, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

 Done Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:58, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. One thing you have forgotten though is to change the date from: As of 14 July 2026 to As of 29 July 2026 at the top of the councillors table Makethingsright7 (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

@Ollieisanerd @ Finfixer Please could you update "As of 14 July 2026" to "As of 29 July 2026". This article should be sufficient for clarifying the date: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/another-reform-uk-councillor-cornwall-11083417. Thanks Makethingsright7 (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

 Done sorry for missing that. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:25, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

no worries. Thanks Makethingsright7 (talk) 13:53, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Edit request: add a section on the proposal to form an alliance with Reform

Over the last week, it has been widely reported that Lowe was seeking a merger or pact with Reform, although Farage has turned down the offer citing antisemitism in Restore:

The i Paper... https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-deal-restore-off-insiders-4697168

The Daily Telegraph... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/08/09/restore-reform-charlie-charlie-downes-nigel-farage-lowe/

Politico... https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-reform-uk-rupert-lowe-restore-britain-rift/

The Guardian... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/aug/02/rupert-lowe-urges-nigel-farage-to-work-with-restore-britain

Therefore it would be due weight to include this information within the article. ~2026-41567-01 (talk) 01:52, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Antisemitism as part of ideology

many sources point towards Restore Britain being anti-semitic whether its banning kosher food or donors within the party supporting Hitler Openly

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/reform-uk-ruling-out-deal-with-restore-britain-over-antisemitism-row/ https://www.thejc.com/news/politics/restore-britain-donor-another-hitler-x6t4bdwu https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-905230 https://searchlightmagazine.com/2026/08/restores-charlie-downes-hands-farage-a-get-out-of-jail-free-card/ Cheeseboyprime (talk) 15:27, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

The criticism should definitely be included, but neither of those sources actually say that antisemitism is a official part of the party's policy. Personally, I don't think it should be included in the infobox. GnocchiFan (talk) 16:51, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

Political position: precision, attribution and the radical-right/extreme-right distinction

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I am a new editor and have read the previous RfC concerning Restore Britain's political-position classification. I understand that the RfC closed with consensus to use "far-right" in the lead and infobox. I am therefore not proposing simply to remove reliably sourced descriptions of Restore Britain as far-right or to disregard that earlier discussion.

I would, however, like to raise a narrower question which I think the previous RfC does not fully resolve: whether Wikipedia should present "far-right" as an unqualified categorical statement in Wikivoice when relevant political-science literature distinguishes materially between the radical right and the extreme right, and when reliable sources do not use identical classifications.

The issue is one of terminology and attribution, rather than an argument that Restore Britain should be portrayed as centrist or mainstream conservative.

A particularly relevant source is Mattia Zulianello's 2025 research note, published in the Italian Political Science Review by Cambridge University Press:

Zulianello, Mattia (2025). "The "far right" label and the study of party systems: problems, limitations – and a way out". Italian Political Science Review. doi:10.1017/ipo.2025.10078.

Zulianello specifically challenges the usefulness of the undifferentiated label "far right" because it groups together the extreme right and the populist/radical right. His analysis argues that these are meaningfully different political families and expressly recommends that scholars use the most precise term whenever possible rather than vaguely referring to the "far right".

This distinction is particularly relevant here because Restore Britain's own article already refers to the "radical right", while other sources describe the party as "far-right".

The previous RfC itself also discussed Harrison and Brown's 2026 Political Insight article:

Harrison, Ed; Brown, Olivia (2026). "Listening to the Funhouse Mirror: How Social Media is Reshaping British Politics". Political Insight. 17 (1). doi:10.1177/20419058261436087.

That source distinguishes between different parts of the online right and places Rupert Lowe/Restore Britain in a "radical right" grouping, while identifying other actors separately within a "far-right" grouping. I appreciate that editors disagreed during the previous RfC about how far that article can be used to classify Restore Britain as a party. I am not suggesting that it alone settles the classification.

Rather, it demonstrates why assuming that "radical right" and "far-right" are automatically interchangeable risks introducing Wikipedia's own synthesis into an area where the terminology itself is disputed in political-science literature.

Likewise, Georgios Samaras's 2026 paper treats Restore Britain as part of the British far right:

Samaras, Georgios (2026). "Make Britain Great Again: The morphology of Restorationist Re-politics". Politics. doi:10.1177/02633957261455903.

That source should plainly be represented. My concern is not that it should be suppressed, but that its classification should be accurately attributed alongside other relevant political-science terminology rather than converted into an uncontested statement of fact.

This seems especially relevant to Wikipedia’s policies on neutrality, original research, synthesis of sources and contentious labels (WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, MOS:LABEL).

Wikipedia's Manual of Style advises caution with expressions that may introduce bias or lack precision and states that, where wording with less potential for misunderstanding is available, it should be preferred. That principle seems particularly important with a term such as "far-right", which can be understood by an ordinary reader to encompass political movements ranging from democratic radical-right parties to anti-democratic extreme-right organisations.

I therefore suggest that the lead should distinguish description from classification rather than state the disputed umbrella term categorically in Wikipedia's voice.

For example:

'Restore Britain is a British political party led by Rupert Lowe. Its stated programme includes low taxation and smaller government, secure borders, putting British interests first, traditional Christian principles, free speech, direct democracy, and restoring Britain’s social and cultural foundations. The party has been described as far-right by a number of media and academic sources, while political-science analysis has also placed Restore Britain and its leadership within the radical right."

The body of the article could then explain the different classifications, identify the sources supporting each, and distinguish clearly between the radical right and the extreme right. This would give readers a more balanced and analytically precise account.

This would not conceal or minimise Restore Britain's policies. Its restrictive immigration policies, law-and-order programme, emphasis on national identity, traditional social and cultural principles, and other political positions should continue to be described fully and sourced accurately.

I am also not suggesting that reliably sourced reporting about support for Restore Britain from individuals associated with extreme-right organisations should be removed. However, the political beliefs or affiliations of individual supporters are analytically different from evidence establishing the ideological classification of the party itself.

A simple analogy illustrates the distinction: I love football; that does not make me a football hooligan. I am Roman Catholic; that does not make me a member or supporter of the IRA. Association with, membership of, or support for a much broader community does not establish adherence to the beliefs or conduct of a particular extremist element within it.

Likewise, the fact that an individual with extreme-right views supports Restore Britain does not, by itself, demonstrate that Restore Britain shares that individual's ideology. The relevant question for classification should be the party's own policies, official statements, organisational conduct and credible independent analysis of those things.

Support from such individuals may certainly be relevant and worthy of reporting, but it should not be treated as interchangeable with evidence about the ideology of the party itself. Conflating those propositions risks synthesis.

The question I am therefore asking is:

Given that reliable political-science literature distinguishes the "radical right" from the "extreme right" and expressly cautions against imprecise use of the umbrella term "far right", would the propsed wording better satisfy Wikipedia's requirements for neutrality, precision and accurate representation of reliable sources than the current categorical statement in Wikivoice?

Such an approach would also seem consistent with Wikipedia's longstanding strength as an encyclopaedia: presenting significant sourced viewpoints transparently whilst allowing readers to understand where genuine questions of interpretation or classification exist, rather than conflating distinct political categories under a single umbrella label.

This proposal would retain every significant sourced viewpoint while allowing readers to understand the political classification, rather than leaving the impression that "radical right", "far-right" and "extreme right" are simply synonymous or acceptable to be conflated. LogicUK (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 August 2026

change far-right to right ~2026-47213-07 (talk) 16:46, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before posting an edit request. TarnishedPath^talk 23:05, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

Request from BeanVoyager

Hello,

I noticed that the page was edited last night to describe Restore Britain as “ethnonationalist” in several places. I have notified Restore Britain of the change, and I believe the classification should be removed unless it can be supported by reliable, independent sources.

Rather than immediately reverting the changes myself, I thought it was appropriate to raise the issue here first and explain why I believe the new wording is inaccurate.

The sources currently being used to support the “ethnonationalist” description appear to establish, at most, that some individuals have characterised Restore Britain in this way. That is not necessarily sufficient to establish that “ethnonationalist” is an accurate description of the organisation itself.

There is also contrary evidence from Restore Britain's own published material. In its document *Restore Britain's Philosophy of National Belonging*, the party explicitly states:

> “But I reject the two extremes. I reject the proposition that Britishness is exclusively racial.”

That would appear to be directly relevant to the question of whether the organisation advocates an ethnonationalist conception of British identity.

Rupert Lowe has also publicly stated that he detests the “far right” and “ethnonationalists”, which is further evidence that the organisation's stated position is not straightforwardly one of ethnonationalism.

I am aware that individuals who describe themselves as ethnonationalists have supported, joined, or attempted to associate themselves with Restore Britain. However, the presence of such individuals does not in itself establish that Restore Britain as an organisation holds an ethnonationalist ideology. The distinction seems particularly important when making a categorical statement in Wikipedia's voice.

I would therefore suggest that the burden should be on those wishing to retain the description to provide reliable, independent sources demonstrating that “ethnonationalist” is an established and accurate characterisation of Restore Britain's ideology, rather than simply evidence that particular commentators have described it that way.

I would make the same point regarding the repeated description of Restore Britain as “far-right”. Political classifications should be based on reliable sources and established definitions rather than being presented as objective fact simply because individual commentators or contributors consider the label appropriate. Like the person above has stated, 'Right' is right, 'far-right' is wrong.

I'm happy to discuss the wording and look at the sources being cited. My intention here is not to sanitise criticism of Restore Britain, but to ensure that contentious political classifications are actually supported by the evidence.

P.S I have not contributed to Wikipedia for many years and can't remember how to use it properly so forgive me if this is formatted incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeanVoyager (talk • contribs) 14:45, 3 September 2026 (UTC) --BeanVoyager (talk) 14:46, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

Sorry but no. We literally just had an RfC close that assessed the consensus on this issue. That's why those edits were made. Because a formal consensus was found. This is a non-starter at this time. Simonm223 (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

+1 to what Simon said. Ps, around here, we go with what independent, reliable secondary sources say, not with organisations' spin. TarnishedPath^talk 14:54, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

"Reliable" lol. ~2026-48482-16 (talk) 10:36, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

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== Response to the points above ==

I appreciate that an RfC has recently closed, although I don't think the existence of a consensus makes the underlying sourcing immune from scrutiny.

Firstly, I am puzzled by the suggestion that Restore Britain's own published material is “spin”. It is primary evidence of what that organisation actually says it believes.

Apparently, from the horse's mouth, Rupert Lowe's own words and Restore Britain's own published statement are “spin”, whereas a questionable political characterisation written by “an academic” is apparently “fair and independent”.

The truth does not become the truth simply because someone at a university wrote it down.

Restore Britain's own stated position

RB's published Philosophy of National Belonging explicitly states:

I reject the two extremes. I reject the proposition that Britishness is exclusively racial.

That seems rather directly relevant when deciding whether the organisation should be described as ethnonationalist.

Similarly, Rupert Lowe has explicitly stated that he detests “far right” “ethnonationalists”. I provided both sources. That is certainly relevant evidence and should not simply be dismissed as “spin” because it comes from the person leading the organisation.

Source 1: Abbas & Akhtar

The first source is Abbas and Akhtar's Manufacturing Consent: Faragism and the Hegemonic Struggle for Britain.

The paper is primarily an analysis of Faragism and Reform UK. Restore Britain gets mentioned briefly in one paragraph, where the authors describe the party as “adopting an openly ethno-nationalist register”.

That is the authors' characterisation, not an established fact. I cannot see any substantive analysis in that paper which establishes why Restore Britain itself should be classified in this way.

The apparent connection seems to relate, at least in part, to Steve Laws and his small group of “openly racist” associates having previously been members of the party. He had no official involvement with Restore Britain beyond paying for membership and subsequently complaining publicly on X that the party was not “hardline” enough.

I have witnessed this over the past six months and can provide considerable evidence if necessary.

Furthermore, this change to the Wikipedia article appears to have come at a rather interesting time, with Laws cancelling his Restore Britain membership in the same week. That is worth noting when considering the timing and context of this characterisation.

Most importantly, a few ethnonationalists joinng a political party does not make that party ethnonationalist.

If a serial killer joined the Labour Party, you wouldn't subsequently describe Labour as a “serial-killer party” throughout its Wikipedia article. Membership by an individual does not establish the ideology of the organisation itself.

Source 2: Jeremy Gilbert

The second source is Jeremy Gilbert's A party system collapses: The 2026 local election results in England.

Again, I cannot see how this source establishes the claim being made. The article is behind a paywall, and I cannot find Restore Britain, “ethnonationalist” or “nationalist” in the accessible text.

If this is one of the principal sources being relied upon for describing Restore Britain as ethnonationalist, then I would have to question the merit of that citation.

“Independent reliable sources”

I don't think this can simply be settled with “independent reliable sources say so”.

Since we're discussing “independent” sources, I would also be interested in whether that standard is being applied consistently.

For example, material from organisations such as Hope not Hate is regularly used to characterise political organisations and individuals, despite having an obvious political perspective of its own.

It seems that on one side we have the organisation itself explicitly stating its position, and its leader explicitly rejecting ethnonationalism, both of which are dismissed as “spin”.

On the other side, we have political characterisations from external sources, with God knows what agendas, which are apparently considered sufficiently “fair and independent” to define the organisation.

If the principle is that sources should be assessed for reliability and independence rather than simply accepting their characterisation, surely that standard has to work both ways.

“Far right”

I also previously suggested that Restore Britain were not even far right. Indeed, on this very page JJARichardson correctly, in my opinion, suggested that the infobox should say “British nationalism and social conservatism”. That is a sensible and considerably more descriptive formulation.

As far as I can see, the changes that have subsequently been made to the main article have become less and less sensible, and increasingly more of a “hatchet job”.

It is almost as if far-left activists, or those with an agenda, have taken over the article and decided to build the most negative possible narrative around the party.

Under the “Far-right support” section we now have a rather dramatic black box about the “Far Right”, associating RB with “British Fascism”, “National Front” and “Blood & Honour”.

This is a complete mischaracterisation of Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain, and potentially defamatory.

Other claims

There are also a few other obvious clangers in this article, such as:

The party echos the Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory

Quite apart from the spelling mistake, there is no source for that assertion either, yet it has apparently made its way into the article without difficulty.

It is also rather striking that there appears to be nothing positive whatsoever said about Mr Lowe or Restore Britain.

Nothing about Lowe donating his MP salary to various charities, for example, or the considerable work he has done in support of victims of the grooming gangs.

Obviously Wikipedia is not obliged to write flattering material about a political party, but let's compare this to socialist Andy Burnham's article for a moment.

His article reads like a list of his great achievements. The contrast is rather striking.

Back to the Restore Britain page: when virtually every subsequent revision appears to add another negative characterisation, another association with an extreme group, or another assertion presented as fact, it is difficult not to question the direction this article is being taken in, and Wikipedia's apparent bias more generally.

Final point

Apologies for the lengthy reply, but when I read assertions like these presented as established fact when I know the underlying reality to be something quite different, I feel quite strongly about setting the record straight.

What, exactly, would it take to correct material that is inaccurate?

No offence, but a consensus does not make an inaccurate claim accurate, and neither do questionable sources. So, frankly, I found the replies above rather disappointing.

Given the increasingly serious and potentially defamatory nature of some of the assertions now appearing in the article, I hope Restore Britain itself will consider whether the article accurately reflects the evidence and, if necessary, take whatever steps it considers appropriate.

--BeanVoyager (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2026

Change any mention of Ethnic-nationalist to Civic Nationalist.

Rupert Lowe, leader of Restore Britain, has publicly disavowed ethno-nationalism many times. One of their policies is to remove the red tape and financial cost of bringing a foreign born spouse into the country regardless of their ethnicity. Hardly an ethno-nationalist party. It's simply a label given by intellectually lazy people who can not be bothered to actually research and discuss the true issues they actually have with the party.

Please remove the Ethno-nationalist slur as it does not represent the policies or the ideology of the leader Mr Lowe but it does instantly discourage any centrist who may be interested in learning more. S.charltonoconnor (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: see above RFC. Also see WP:PRIMARY Cannolis (talk) 21:40, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict)  Not done: See the extensive discussion above which saw consensus for the inclusion of "ethno-nationalism". We are also more interested in how independent, secondary sources have described the party, rather than what they have said about themselves – Lowe's denial is fully in WP:MANDY territory. In solidarity, nil ^nz 21:43, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Yes, that lengthy discussion seems to be rational people pointing two weak sources citing ethno-nationalism and a suggestion that it’s more poignant to describe some ideas discussed by the party as ethnic nationalist leaning in the main article body, but certainly to describe the whole parties ideology as ethno national clearly shows a strong anti-restore bias from whoever holds the Power here.

It’s indicative of the left wing capture and decline of this platform and has directly resulted in its financial struggles and the ridicule of anyone using Wikipedia as a serious source.

I hope for redemption of this platform. given the above discussion and the “holier than thou” silencing of any one who wishes to make this edit, it doesn’t look very likely ~2026-48470-08 (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

I see more people calling for option B in that discussion, but it seems the ruling went for C because one person came in at the end with a bunch of cherrypicked sources and somehow that is "consensus". There's really no point in using Wikipedia for anything to do with politics or history. ~2026-48900-12 (talk) 13:08, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

I know it seems somewhat counterintuitive (and when I first started editing took me a while to wrap my head around), but "consensus" isn't determined by a straight vote count, but rather by the strength of policy-based arguments and sourcing brought into discussions – see WP:Wikipedia is not a democracy. In this instance, 8 editors !voted B, and 8 editors !voted for C; the reason why C became consensus is because of the sourcing, and none of the editors who !voted for B challenged that sourcing (and in fact, one editor changed their position because of it). If anyone unhappy with the way that discussion went believes that the sources were "cherrypicked", then the solution would have been to introduce additional sources. In solidarity, nil ^nz 00:04, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

If you genuinely have a serious problem with using Wikipedia as a serious source, just because they describe a political party in a way that you don't like (per WP:IDONTLIKEIT), then there's one simple solution to that: just don't use Wikipedia as a serious source. Seriously. That simple. No one is forcing you to use Wikipedia. You are free to use some other site that describes Restore Britain in a way you see fit, but Wikipedia is not the place for that. ~2026-49446-33 (talk) 21:18, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 September 2026

Update number of Councillors - change 35 to 37 in the info box and main page to reflect recent defections of Andrew Crumplin and Mark Hadfield in Plymouth from Reform UK. (https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/plymouth-reform-chaos-three-councillors-11143233)

Main page - Membership > Councillors Create New table row for Plymouth Add 2/57 and link to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_City_Council

Finally, update date at head of table above from 'As of 29 July 2026' to '4 Sept 2026' Makethingsright7 (talk) 08:52, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Source data: https://www.opencouncildata.co.uk/councillors.php?p=522&y=0 Makethingsright7 (talk) 08:53, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for your request! In solidarity, nil ^nz 00:05, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you ~2026-49276-15 (talk) 19:46, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Makethingsright7 (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2026 (UTC)