Talk:Ramesses II

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2025

Please remove Ramesses II mummy image from infobox, it is already in the article in the section about his death. 129.89.234.111 (talk) 14:04, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.

I do not see why? The infobox is the front of the article. It's quite normal for those to contain images of the subject. Slomo666 (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Not every pharaoh infobox has the MUMMY of said pharaoh, it's usually only the statues or reliefs listed. Plus, who even wants to see a CORPSE as the first image when they open the page? 129.89.234.111 (talk) 14:22, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request - 23/12/25

Add ref in the Bibiography to this book - " Egyptian Mummies" by G Elliot Smith and Warren R Dawson, Dial Press Inc, New York .

Grafton Elliot Smith - Wikipedia which has early descriptions of the condition of the mummy and what was found during the unwrapping.

Here is book pdf free - #9 - Egyptian mummies / by G. Elliot Smith and Warren R. Dawson ; with ... - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

he also gives description of Ramses II here

Description of Rameses II mummy

Book Cover Egyptian Mummies G Elliot Smith & Warren Dawson

Yesihavereadit (talk) 11:02, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

So Grimal 256 is the source for saying Jerusalem was attacked in the Third Syrian Campaign.

But Grimal himself doesn't explain why he thinks that. I can't simple google is Jerusalem is mentioned in Egyptian records of Rameses II because all I'll get are clones of this Wikipedia page or people prompting Rohl's New Chronology which thinks Kadesh was Jerusalem.

Jerusalem was definitely still Canaanite at this time, but if it's mentioned by that name I am curious about things like the exact form of the name was used. KuudereHime 07:51, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Jerusalem existed then. Amarna Letter EA 287 is one of the ones from Abdi-Heba, local ruler of Jerusalem in the reign Akhenaten (a little earlier than Ramesses II). In it Jerusalem is rendered "U-ru-ša-lim" in cuneiform (line 25). Check out the ancient Egyptian section of Jerusalem's wiki page for earlier mentions and other renderings. Merytat3n (talk) 02:29, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

The existence of Jerusalem is not something I'm questioning. I just want to know if any Rameses II era records specifically mention it. How does does Grimal know so much about who was sent where during the Third Syrain Campaign? KuudereHime 08:55, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Grimal is less detailed than the other cited source, Kitchen (1982). Ancient Egyptians loved to depict their campaigns on temple walls so I assume they are getting their info from monuments but neither of them use footnotes to say which source exactly in-text. Kitchen has a big list here. I checked Brand's Ramesses II, Egypt's Ultimate Pharaoh (2023) but he's pretty light on detail saying:

"He returned to Canaan and Syria at least two more times.[21] As with his first campaign in year four, our sources for his later expeditions are sparser and much less detailed than the Kadesh chronicle. We are not even sure how many campaigns Ramesses led, and none of the records assign a number to these forays, such as a “third” or a “fourth campaign of victory.”[22]

The offensive in year eight is the best attested of these. A large triumphal inscription from the Ramesseum is our primary source for this expedition.[23] Battle scenes from various temples are undated and less informative than the Kadesh narrative.[24] Ramesses II also left three triumphal stelae at Nahr el-Kelb, the “Dog River,” in Lebanon north of Beirut.[25] Carved in chalky limestone cliffs, over the centuries all three inscriptions have weathered badly, and we can recover little of their hieroglyphic texts. One stela dates to year four, marking the king’s first campaign. Next to it a second is dated as regnal year ten, but its text has eroded beyond legibility. In the 1860s the soldiers of the Emperor Napoleon III engraved the third stela with a French text before anyone recorded its ancient inscriptions scientifically. It likely celebrated either the year five Kadesh campaign or his year eight expedition." (pp 185-6)

I looked up Breasted's Ancient Records of Egypt vol. III (1906) which says the reconquest of Palestine is recorded on the south wall of the hypostyle hall of Karnak temple and on the western side of the north tower of the first pylon of the Ramesseum (pp 158-9). The Ramesseum's wiki page says "more intriguingly, however, one block atop the first pylon records his pillaging, in the eighth year of his reign, a city called "Shalem", which may or may not have been Jerusalem." (citing Ania Skliar, Grosse kulturen der welt-Ägypten, 2005). Breasted mentions the city as "Sherem" (Sa-ra-m) which he translates as Salom (Shalom) (p 159).

That's all I've got, hope it helps Merytat3n (talk) 04:20, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

We have an article about the Names of Jerusalem. The city is mentioned as (U)Rušalim and Urusalim in Egyptian records, and uru-salim in Sumero-Akkadian records. The etymology of the term suggests that the city was sacred to the cult of the Canaanite god Shalim/Šalām/Shalem, the god or personification of the Evening Star (the planet Venus). Dimadick (talk) 05:42, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. KuudereHime 07:36, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Ramesses II Passport

I Honestly think there should be a section about him being the first dead person to have a official government issued passport, its a bit interesting Rafonsio74 (talk) 17:05, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

That has been discussed: Talk:Ramesses_II/Archive_2#A_mummy_with_a_passport_(redux). --Wrongfilter (talk) 18:06, 26 July 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2026

The dating for Ramses II's reign is outdated, it's now from 1288 BC to 1222 BC, this also means that Ramses would have been born in 1313 BC ~2026-40965-42 (talk) 17:15, 31 July 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: You haven't cited any sources for this dating. Moreover, the most recent source in my possession that deals with New Kingdom dates, Afterglow of Empire (rev. ed. 2019) by Aidan Dodson, says that the chronology for the Third Intermediate Period, and hence the New Kingdom before it, is in flux. Dodson himself argues that Ramesses' accession, which had a more or less consensus date of 1279 BC, should actually be moved later by at least 14 years, i.e., 1265 BC. I haven't changed the dates in this article, or in related articles, because I don't know how much Dodson's arguments are accepted in the Egyptological community. But I don't think you'll be able to argue that a movement in the opposite direction is the consensus view. A. Parrot (talk) 17:50, 31 July 2026 (UTC)