Talk:Preseli Mountains

Waun Mawn

This gives a grid ref SN08393403 which should be useful.SovalValtos (talk) 04:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've added it. There's a programme about it tonight. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

This has been added overnight User:Tony Holkham.SovalValtos (talk) 10:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Intestine war

Re Samuel Lewis quote: It seems there is such a thing as intestine war, though the expression is now obsolete. It means war within borders, or civil war. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

This was the link I tried to include in my edit summary a few moments ago to show that 'intestine' was not a transcription error by Hicks.SovalValtos (talk) 22:08, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks guys - who knew?! I'd come across the War of Jenkin's Ear but hadn't imagined that other body parts might come into play now and again - though I now see there's also a Battle of the Belly River. An understandable edit by JRPG - what errors might each of us have made by 'correcting' something apparently obvious? cheers Geopersona (talk) 07:16, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Mynydd Bach - incorrect image / reference

There are two hills similarly named Mynydd Bach, very near to each other in the Preselis. The Mynydd-bach with a high point of 374m, is North of Myndd Bach with a high point of 293m (as shown on summit photo on wiki). Mynydd-bach (374m) has no trig point or other summit features and is not referred to in the citation referenced. 2A00:23C7:468E:DF01:A5B2:1D6B:6C53:6724 (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Confirmed, thanks. Notes applied to the more southerly Mynydd-Bach at 293m, so deleted with pic. Cannot find a pic of the higher point, though. There are dozens of pics on commons some of which may show the higher point. I may have taken one myself, so will look. It is on the Golden Road. Tony Holkham (Talk) 10:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hills/mountains

Strictly speaking, the plural of mynydd is mynyddoedd, so the first amendment was correct. While the Preselis are topographically hills (the OS decided that), the definition of a hill has changed over time. The Preselis have always been known as mountains and in fact are still called mountain (singular) on the latest OS maps and referred to as mountains by Visit Pembrokeshire, by local people, and others. I'm not being pedantic, I hope, but I don't see a problem with the use of the word mountain in the article, while the page title can be hills. There is a hill in Shropshire called Sweeney Mountain and I'm sure there are other examples around. I don't feel strongly either way, but I'm happier to leave mountains in rather than change every 'mountain' to 'hill'. Tony Holkham (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, feel free to revert me if you think the IP's version is more accurate. I was guided by the Welsh version, but I may have misunderstood the subtleties of the wording, and I don't really "get" the whole hills/mountains thing! The whole article needs a thorough going-over, of course - it's too short for one thing (there must be much more that can be said), some of the article links don't work, etc. etc. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, I'll give the whole thing some thought when I've a bit more time. As you say, there's a lot more that could go in... Tony Holkham (talk) 11:55, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi all, I would like to revert the article name to Preseli Mountains (as seems to be the old consensus here) but wanted to post my reasoning here first in case there are any objections. Preselli Hills is a neologism that only really seems to feature in tourist literature. As stated above, "Preselli Mountains" is accepted by the OS, while a quick Bing serach also shows that most of the sites using "The Preseli Hills" (Visit Pembrokshire, Bluestones Wales) formerly use "The Preseli Hills & Mountains" before abbreviating. Those sites using "Preseli Mountains" (The Outdoor Guide, discoveringbritain.org, Wales Online) use Preseli Mountains alone.

While I think it's clear that "Preseli Mountains" is the common English name as per WP:TITLE protocol (specifically the naturalness criterium), there are two futher points which should also be considered. Firstly, there are many UK geographically features named "Mountain" that do not technically qualify as mountains by the UK definition, but are given this name on their Wikipedia Article for common understanding. Secondly, in translating Welsh toponyms, "Mountain" has long been understood as the appropriate synonym of the word "Mynydd" (which may perhaps be more literally translated as "uplands", e.g. Caerphilly Mountain) regardless of the features prominence.

Happy to discuss further, Cymrogogoch (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Interesting that you should raise this topic after 10 years. I was always of the opinion that the name should be Mountains, but I don't think I would change it after all this time, though I wouldn't object if it was changed. Just my two penn'orth. Tony Holkham (Talk) 18:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. Cymrogogoch (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Renamed article following lack of oppostion for the reasons given above (common name) Cymrogogoch (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)