Talk:Plan Verde

Disputed tag

Like other similar articles, including the Lima Consensus, the article relies heavily on papers that reflect mostly the authors point of view, instead of a mainstream one. Examples of issues includes listing Mario Vargas Llosa as one of the early candidates of the plan, who was Alberto Fujimori's main opponent. NoonIcarus (talk) 11:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Tag to @WMrapids (since you are the creator and main contributor), so you/we can calmly talk and come to a consensus with Noonlcarus, who thinks the whole article is wrong, without the need to call admins Ultranuevo (talk) 15:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Be bold and add the sources you think are missing. Ultranuevo (talk) 11:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:CHOICE, I don't have an obligation to solve the issues: that onus is on the creator of the article, whose answer I'm still waiting. At any rate, I'd be glad to point at further issues and help if I can, but the clean up tag should not be removed before, like I've said several times now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Crimes against humanity category removal

Crimes against humanity is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

It was a main objective...

As you can see in my edits, one of the main objectives of Plan Verde was to establish a neoliberal economy. While the use of the term and its definition has faced some ridicule, sources still indicate that neoliberalism was a primary goal of the plan and this must remain in the article. WMrapids (talk) 00:25, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

@Allan Nonymous: Please discuss your constant removal of the information on how neoliberalism was an objective of Plan Verde. You have had three editors now revert you; Tomatoswoop, Darer101 and I. Can you please explain your POV concerns?--WMrapids (talk) 09:32, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

As you mention above, use of the term neoliberalism is a problem. I'm no fan of "neoliberalism" the actual economic system, but I do feel that the term, particularly in the way it was used in the article, was loaded. My goal here is to move towards language that is a little more evenhanded and puts stuff in the context of wider reforms. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2026 (UTC)

While I can agree to an extent that "neoliberalism" can be a bloated term, multiple sources use it explicitly when discussing the objectives of the plan. As for the results of the plan, multiple sources also say that Fujimori and Montesinos adopted Plan Verde. You can see in the article's "Planning" section that the plan evolved over time and then sources later say that it was adopted by the two, who implemented it in their own way. I wouldn't equate it to Project 2025 and Trump policies. Trump does what Trump wants to do. Sources explicitly say that Fujimori and Montesinos used Plan Verde, though. WMrapids (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2026 (UTC)