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Note: The article with a "delete" consensus, "National Economic Stabilization And Recovery Act", has been deleted, with some of the material (not much) merged into this one. This article never had an afd discussion that resulted in a deletion decision, the below template is misleading in this respect. - Sednar (talk · contribs)
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02 January 2022
[edit]The cult of NESARA has grown like a ringworm. I think this article needs to be modernized to deal with current situation. 2600:1702:3E50:4AD0:1850:6E29:D272:B580 (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- This is mine. I forgot to log in before posting. PaleGuapo (talk) 20:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that discussion of current believers in NESARA might be appropriate. It has taken a fairly prominent role in Q-anon circles. (Q-anon is the wider group of "conspiracy theories" about political, news, and health (particularly covid) topics, with the common theme that "mainstream" sources (government, news, etc.) are lying about a topic, often with ill intent.)
- common current NESARA beliefs: 1) US Dollar will collapse and/or be replaced by gold or gold/silver backed currency. 2) Most debts will be wiped out. 3) There will likely be a "reset" of various currencies which might let one get a windfall by buying currencies which currently have low value (e.g., Iraqi dinar). Current beliefs about the phantom NESARA law include some restructuring of the US government also but it might be better to keep the emphasis on the economic claims.
- There are a number of promoters who talk about the NESARA, usually indicating it's imminent. Most use one of the YouTube alternatives like Rumble or Bitchute. On Rumble these videos may have 20,000 - 100,00+ views (quick scan of offerings). Many of the authors advertise services that are consistent with what they are teaching, e.g., they may have an ad for a precious metal dealer. In one case, the author is rather high up in a precious metal MLM. Viewers ask about NESARA (sometimes unpromted in Q&A sessions, for the one author I've followed a bit). It would be hard to tell how many viewers take an unsuitable step based on the theory, but this might make the whole thing "notable".
- One of the problems with documenting it for wikipedia is the format of the sources (mostly audio), with authors quoting others, and with a lot of other stuff not NESARA related often mixed in. In addition to difficulties in attributing a specific belief to a source, it would make researching this very time consuming.
- Add to that, is it the role of Wikipedia to describe and document a set of beliefs that most people would believe are not true?
- Sources: https://dinartimes.com/dinar-guru/ , https://dinarchronicles.com/ for example https://dinarchronicles.com/2022/05/27/restored-republic-via-a-gcr-update-as-of-may-27-2022/ which lists supposed steps that are happening towards NESARA. Also google Judy Byington, Charlie Ward, Phil Godlewski,
- https://dinarchronicles.com/2021/05/14/confirmations-from-cmkx-markz-qa-intel-stream-highlights-5-14-21/
- From its description, this ebook seeks to debunk NESARA: The Truth About the Coming Global Currency Reset
- By Marcus Curtis. Cpbow (talk) 05:11, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
She has endorsed these ideas and claimed that, as “Queen of the World”, she will be the one to actually enact the policies. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:7094 (talk) 00:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Introduction to Congress
[edit]Total layman so I don't trust myself enough to edit, but this bill is listed as introduced on Congress' website, which seemingly contradicts the opening paragraph. Picnicsandstars (talk) 03:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Picnicsandstars, that bill is not the subject of this article, despite the similar (but not exactly the same) title. Schazjmd (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you! I saw that some of the relevant dates were 9/11-adjacent and assumed that might have been fodder for the conspiracy theory. Weird coincidence! Picnicsandstars (talk) 16:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please read all the previous information over again, that is the date they reference so that is NESARA GESARA. Only it has nothing to do with what they say it is.. 97.119.119.251 (talk) 08:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Correction to acronym: NESARA = National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act
[edit]Hello editors,
I recently noticed that the article expands NESARA as the "National Economic Security and Recovery Act," but Harvey F. Barnard’s original proposal and writings clearly identify the correct name as the **National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act**.
Primary sources:
- Barnard, Harvey F. Draining the Swamp: Monetary and Fiscal Policy Reform (NESARA Institute, 1996). ISBN 0-9648779-0-9.
- Archived NESARA Institute website: NESARA Institute (Internet Archive).
This correction would ensure the article reflects Barnard’s original wording, while still distinguishing it from the later conspiracy reinterpretations.
Thanks, HFBResearch HFBarnardResearch (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Why it's a "cult" or "conspiracy theory" though?
[edit]Judging from what is written, couldn't it be just another socialist movement, with their own economic theory, no more and no less deranged than what some people get Nobel prizes for? 2A02:BF0:10B:9535:0:2A:2834:4401 (talk) 07:53, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
