Talk:Macedonia

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2023

The page currently states that North Macedonia was known until 2019 as the Republic of Macedonia. The United Nations registered, formal & actual correct name, was the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (FYROM). Please adjust misleading name. This is about providing precise and factual information. Cafaas (talk) 10:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

FYROM was the provisional UN description for the country established in 1991 which officially called itself "Republic of Macedonia". See Socialist Republic of Macedonia and North_Macedonia#Names_and_etymology. I do not believe any change is required. Bazza (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Proper order

I think, that the right to do, is to specify that the term "Macedonia" officially refers to the whole region. After we could add the three other circumstances. I suggest that as the proper:
Macedonia (Macedonian: Македонија, romanized: Makedonija, Greek: Μακεδονία, romanized: Makedonía, Bulgarian: Македония, romanized: Makedoniya) most commonly refers to:
Macedonia (region), a geographic and historical region that today includes parts of six Balkan countries (see map)
It also may refers to:
Macedonia (ancient kingdom), a kingdom in Greek antiquity
Macedonia (Greece), a former administrative region, spanning today three administrative subdivisions of northern Greece
North Macedonia, a country in southeastern Europe, named until 2019 as «Republic of Macedonia» (I also suggest «the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia» (F.Y.R.O.M.), but a problematic instruction (MOS:MAC) is against it for some reason).
The reason I suggest that, is that I think that first of all, the right think to do is to declare that the term "Macedonia" in the broad sense refers to the region. Then, is it not a bit strange, that the only "Macedonia" which according to the signed agreements, but also based on the sources from 2018 onwards, is first in line? Greek Macedonia is officially called geographic region of "Macedonia" and it is almost identical with the ancient land of Macedonia. The ancient kingdom of Macedonia is also called "Macedonia" plainly. In contrast, the only ones who today refer to North Macedonia as simply "Macedonia" are those who embrace the political ideology of "ethnic Macedonian" nationalism. And for them we still leave it on this list. Nowadays, North Macedonia is the last of all of them which one would refer to as Macedonia (without the designation "North"). Greek Rebel (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Other people disagree. Type "Macedonia" into https://google.com. "North Macedonia (Country in the Balkans)" appears first in the suggested searches (analogous to WP's disamibiguation), followed by "Macedonia (Ancient kingdom)". A search for "Macedonia" on https://bbc.com/search shows (disregarding several pages' worth of North Macedonia football game results) the country profile for North Macedonia first. https://britannica.com first suggested search is "Macedonia (North Macedonia)" followed by "Macedonia (region, Europe)", "Macedonia (ancient kingdom, Europe)" and "Macedonia (region, Greece)". Bazza 7 (talk) 13:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Similar issue: What explains the order of the languages for the word Macedonia? The work derives from the Greek word Μακεδονία. Shouldn't then Greek be first? Open Free Eye (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Ottoman Macedonia

Hi @Jingiby, you just reverted my edit in which I added Ottoman Macedonia as a bullet point under the "historical entities" header. I thought that this might be an improvement but it seems I was mistaken, and I appreciate the feedback. I understand your reasoning ("Such separate entity called Macedonia, did not exist"), but I find the absence of any mention of Ottoman rule a flaw. Do you agree that Ottoman Macedonia could be mentioned under the "Other geographical uses" header instead? Or should Ottoman rule not be mentioned at all?

For full disclosure, I made a similiar edit to Kosovo (disambiguation). Tonuka (talk) 05:04, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

Hi, Tonuka. Your proposal is interesting and if there are no objections from other editors I agree that Ottoman Macedonia could be mentioned under the "Other geographical uses". Jingiby (talk) 06:43, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

Ottoman Macedonia is itself just a disambiguation page, just as this one. None of the entries there are reasonable candidates for inclusion here, as none of them are actually called "Macedonia". Please keep in mind what disambiguation pages are for. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:07, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise

Good point. I have looked into similarly titled articles Ottoman Greece, Ottoman Albania, Ottoman Bulgaria, Ottoman Kosovo, Ottoman Syria, etc. which are all full articles and not disambiguation pages.

Perhaps Ottoman Macedonia should be expanded from dab page to article as well?

If it were, do you agree that it would have its place on this dab page? Tonuka (talk) 00:41, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

A second look made me realise North Macedonia under the Ottoman Empire already fills this role, analogous to the other country-specific pages I mentioned.

A second thought made me doubt the validity of including even that page.

On the one hand, I said previously that I considered the omission of Ottoman rule a flaw, but on the other hand, it's not reasonable to assume the title "North Macedonia under the Ottoman Empire" is ambiguous with the title "Macedonia".

I no longer see a way Ottoman rule over Macedonia could be referenced in this dab page while staying within Wikipedia guidelines. Tonuka (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

Actually, scholars use the term "Ottoman Macedonia" to refer to the region of Macedonia under the Ottoman Empire. It is not exclusive to North Macedonia. I have a mixed feeling on whether it should be included. There are also other terms that scholars have used (such as "Serbian Macedonia"), even though they were not used in the ruling countries. StephenMacky1 (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2026

(to) Ins0mnia.gr (talk) 22:32, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: The usage here indicates the previous name, not the current one. Umby 🌕🐶 (talk) 23:34, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

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