Talk:Lionfish

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Toxin in predation?

"The potency of their venom makes them excellent predators and poisonous to fishermen and divers." -- Does their venom actually play a role in their predation, or is it merely defensive?? Chris k (talk) 20:56, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Lionfish in NSW, Australia

Yes, i have a question.. Can the Lion Fish be found in Waters just off the Central Coast NSW, Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.144.240 (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Mimicry

Mimicry is an animal looks like another one. Is this supposed to mean camouflage? howcheng {chat} 00:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

possible vector for Ciguatera?

Is their any data if eating the lionfish endangers oneself to Ciguatera poison? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noserider (talk • contribs) 13:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Citation 18 Incorrect?

Under the section Predators and parasites citation 18 does not appear to point to a source supporting that sharks receive no ill-effects from its spines. Can anyone take a quick look to confirm this before I make the edit? User:JediScientist (User talk:JediScientist) 09:33, 04 December 2013 (UTC)

Lionfish in Freshwater

I'm not familiar at all with anything about lionfish. But I was listening to the radio today and apparently a 12 year old girl discovered that they can survive in almost entirely freshwater conditions (she found this out for a science fair project). Her findings were replicated by recognized scientists, and published in a peer reviewed journal. Her name was cited as being the one to discover this. I would add this in myself, but like I said I am not familiar with this subject hardly at all, but thought it would be a good thing to put in wikipedia, that a 12 year old girl named Lauren discovered this, etc. Here are the two links, one for the news article, the other for the peer reviewed science journal:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/girls-science-project-nets-international-recogniti/ngRbD/ http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10641-014-0242-y Ddhix 2002 (talk) 02:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

In fact, the fact that lionfish can thrive in fresh water was discovered in 2010 by Zachary Jud, a marine biology major at Florida International University. His published study can be found here: Here's an informational poster that summarizes the findings: Note that the father of the 12-year-old girl was one of the authors of the study. I am not sure why he is allowing the world to believe that his 12 year old daughter made this discovery. The newspaper that "broke" the story also should have known better:

More background on this here: http://www.cflas.org/was-lionfish-research-hijacked-by-12-year-old-from-palm-beach-florida/ CLJahn (talk) 02:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)CL Jahn

References

Split article

Sea Wasp, unvisible, fast and the most venomous animal on Earth

1. I think the total amount of text makes this article a bit undue. There is too much focus on these species as "a trouble fish" in Florida and the Carribean. That part could form an article of it's own, in my oppinion. Strongly doubt they are a threat to the domestic sea fauna. If it had not been toxic, It would hardly be mentioned by f.i. NBC. 2. There are far worse matters to worry about, as the box-jellyfish Chironex fleckeri or the Sea Wasp appear to have spread to the same waters. Boeing720 (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Where the links below came from is a big question mark for me. Boeing720 (talk) 14:37, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Uninformative sentence

The section title Description is as follows:

"Pterois are harmful to humans. Juvenile lionfish have a unique tentacle located above their eye sockets that varies in phenotype between species. The evolution of this tentacle is suggested to serve to continually attract new prey; studies also suggest it plays a role in sexual selection."

The first sentence is very interesting. But this section gives no information about how pterois are "harmful to humans".

I hope someone knowledgeable about this subject can elaborate on this point and explain in what way these fish are harmful to humans.

Otherwise, this sentence should probably be deleted.2601:200:C080:630:F586:D5D7:89B0:BA10 (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Size?

Did I miss it, or is there no mention of size? I'm reading on a phone, so might have overlooked it... Samatva (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

No, you are not alone, there is no mention of its size. It is probably around 15-25 cm from what I remember, but in wild they may get bigger.

I am pretty sure Pterois Miles can get up to 35cm, I don't exactly know where you got 15-25cm from, but if you can give me a link to the evidence go ahead, I am looking for it myself KittenGosCrazy (talk) 15:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

(Student Article Evaluation)

For the evaluation I just figured I'd check some of the links; I noticed that this one, number 26, from the show "Species of Mass Destruction," doesn't work. Ossp001 (talk) 20:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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Requested move 9 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Pterois → Lionfish – The COMMONNAME of the genus pterosis is overwhelming "lionfish". No other genus shares the name, and other species called "lionfish" outside the genus are already naturally disambiguated. Ortizesp (talk) 16:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, common name per the n-grams and most recognizable name in English. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. It makes sense. — Jɑuмe ^(dis-me) 04:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 07:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Predators

The article says that the lionfish have no known natural predators then immediately lists six. Perhaps this could be made clearer. Jontel (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Fixed - there are plenty of sources indicating various natural predators, as well as human divers. Adjusted with Special:Diff/1277306248 this edit. Zefr (talk) 22:10, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Pteropterus redirect needs to be removed

Pteropterus needs its own page, and the relevant species from this page moved to it. And because Pteropterus is a valid genus now, I think this article should be renamed Pterois, as both genera are commonly referred to as lionfish.Bloopityboop (talk) 21:06, 3 March 2026 (UTC)

Number of species of Pterois.

An edit was made claiming that 12 species exist, not 5. I was unable to verify anywhere that such a number is correct, and reverted the edit. Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes gives 11 results when searching, many of them explicitly called out as duplicates or synonyms of other names. The ETYFish Project specifies five. If anyone believes the original editor was correct, please cite a reference and fix this. Thanks, Tarl N. (discuss) 06:26, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

You are correct that there are only 5. There used to be more species in Pterois, but have been moved to Pteropterus. The IP user must have been confused because the article name is "Lionfish", not "Pterois". I think we should fix that. Bloopityboop (talk) 13:19, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah sorry, that was me. I geniunly did think there were 12 in the genus. I know it may be dumb but ading something in the species sections talking about the recent change to their taxonomy could help prevent future confusion. ~2026-19227-91 (talk) 06:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

Its fine, we all made mistakes in our first edits. Also, any changes to the taxonomy should be and are already mentioned in the Taxonomy section. The Species section in genus articles typically only function as a list of species. Bloopityboop (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)