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Latest comment: 4 years ago by 2601:580:C000:4EE0:6145:637:5787:3D31 in topic disgrace

paternity and other issues

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The article in its current state asserts without attribution the claim that Charles II, who accepted that he was the father of Barbara FitzRoy, was in error. Surely better citations are needed for this; her true biological paternity is no more knowable than that of the child of any trollop appearing on the Maury Povich show.

But the uncertainty of her biological father's identity doesn't alter the identity of her legal parent, the king, and that legal parentage is what shaped her life. I don't believe it's appropriate to remove her ancestry on that basis; it certainly isn't appropriate to remove her maternal ancestors on the basis of uncertainty about her paternal ancestors. - Nunh-huh 03:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Surely her legal father was her mother's husband Roger Palmer, 1st Earl of Castlemaine? Opera hat (talk) 09:49, 21 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Perhaps "legal" is the wrong word (but perhaps not; I think being the king's acknowledged bastard rather precludes having another father; I suspect it would depend on whether Palmer disavowed her). In any case, being believed to have been the king's bastard daughter is what dictated the course of her life, not the possibility of being the daughter of the Earl of Castlemaine or the Duke of Marlborough. She figures in the ancestry of many who are called descendants of King Charles, so if her parentage were ever to be accurately determined (which at this point would only be via DNA), it might be an interesting re-write of history. - Nunh-huh 15:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Does she really figure in many people's ancestry charts? She is alleged to have had an illegitimate son by the Earl of Arran and then lived the rest of her life in a convent. Opera hat (talk) 18:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Her maternal ancestry alone would look like that below, if it is decided to remove the paternal:

Ancestors

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Ancestors of Lady Barbara FitzRoy
16. unknown
8. unknown
17. unknown
4. unknown
18. unknown
9. unknown
19. unknown
2. unknown
20. unknown
10. unknown
21. unknown
5. unknown
22. unknown
11. unknown
23. unknown
1. Lady Barbara FitzRoy
24. George Villiers
12. Edward Villiers
25. Audrey Saunders
6. William Villiers, 2nd Viscount Grandison
26. John St. John
13. Barbara St. John
27. Lucy Hungerford
3. Barbara Palmer, 1st Duchess of Cleveland
28. Paul Bayning
14. Paul Bayning, 1st Viscount Bayning
29. Susanna Norden
7. Mary Bayning
30. Henry Glemham
15. Anne Glemham
31. Anne Sackville

disgrace

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the disgrace and the monastery section is a jumble to read. it's as if whoever wrote it went off on a tangent, you go into her son's life then go back to her as if continuing the topic before the mention of the son. then just say arran and considering both James Hamilton and Charles Hamilton at some point carried the title of Arran, albeit different forms of the title, that makes things confusing for the average reader. 2601:580:C000:4EE0:6145:637:5787:3D31 (talk) 11:24, 27 March 2022 (UTC)Reply