Talk:Kelly Clarkson/GA2

GA Review

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Hi all. I will be reviewing this article soon. A first look pointed out a number of discrepancies. I'll point them out soon.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Review List

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   Prose is quite weak I must say. WP:UNDUE weightage is being given on the movie appearances in the lead which in no way is encompassing the article. See other points below.

I added a paragraph about the movie to the AI section. - Maria202 (talk) 17:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

1. b (MoS):

   The whole structure doesnot comply with a BLP. If you are writing a biography then, set aside what can and cannot be added. See below.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   How is using sources like top-40 and last.fm reliable in any way?

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   As i can see, hardly any of the references use WP:Cite web template and many of them fail WP:RS. I advice to go through articles like Madonna, Janet Jackson, Kylie Minogue and Michael Jackson to understand about the sources that can be used.

   c (OR):

   Additions are all cited but there are many instances of unreliable sources to cite them. Hence failing its no-original research claim.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects):

   Tends to be undue weightaged from the section on Breakaway and especially the section on My December

   b (focused):

   See above.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   The only other part alongside the images and edit warring which I found acceptable.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): {{GAList/check|Y b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Pointers

1. Change the format and adhere to a BLP one. Check Janet Jackson, Madonna (entertainer).
   1. Here's the thing. I'm suggesting a definite structure for the BLP. It follows like,

      1982-2001; Early life and education

      2002-2004; American Idol, World Idol and Thankful

      2005-2006; Breakaway and television appearances

      2007-present; My December and All I Ever Wanted

   2. Also, merge the country music and other appearances in the main biography.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge is done Maria202 (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was merge them as part of the flowing prose. Again a separate ; for country music is not necessary. Her appearance in country related platformas are all a part of her main career.--Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

1. Remove the table at the middle to the end. Breaks the flow.

Done - Maria202 (talk) 16:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

1. Merge other appearances in the main flow. Why is it added separately?

I've no idea why it was added separately. Merge is done. Maria202 (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

1. Tone down the details about the albums and singles. It way passes the WP:UNDUE borderline.
2. Format the references using WP:Cite web and WP:Cite news templates.
3. Check for WP:MoS. Refrain from using # for the chart peaks. Make it words.

• I have placed the article on hold for seven days. Ping me if changes are made within this time or if you need any other clarifications. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Its been over seven days but I see no progress to upgrade the article, nothing is being done to eliminate the discrepancies. So I'm afraid I have to fail the article. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)