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Latest comment: 3 months ago by Sutyarashi in topic Scope

F&f's sources

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Sikh rule

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Tertiary sources

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  • Zutshi, Chitralekha (2019), Kashmir, Oxford India Short Introductions, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, pp. 37–38, ISBN 978-0-19-012141-9
  • Bose, Sumantra (2021), Kashmir at the Crossroads: Inside a 21st-Century Conflict, New Haven and London: Yale University Press, p. 6, LCCN 2021944148

Secondary sources

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  • Hussain, Shahla (2021), Kashmir in the Afterman of the Partition, Cambridge and New York: Cambridge University Press, p. 27, ISBN 978-1-108-49046-7
  • Khan, Bilal Ahmad (2022), "J&K's Economy in Historical Perspective (section in the author's own book)", Jammu & Kashmir: Levels, Issues, and Prospects of Employment Generation, Oxford UK: Oxford University Press, ISBN 978-0-19-284965-6

Dogra rule

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Tertiary sources

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  • Ludden, David (2014), India and South Asia, A Short History, London: Oneworld Publications, ISBN 978-1-85168-936-1

Secondary sources

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  • Rai, Mridu (2014) [2004], Hindu Rulers, Muslim Subjects: Islam, Rights, and the History of Kashmir, Delhi and Princeton: Permanent Black, originally Princeton University Press, p. 64
  • Sneddon, Christopher (2021), Independent Kashmir, an Incomplete Aspiration, Manchester UK: Manchester University Press, p. 96, ISBN 978-1-5261-5614-3
  • Suhail, Peer Ghulam Nabi (2018), Pieces of Earth: The Politics of Land-Grabbing in Kashmir, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, ISBN 978-0-19-909165-2

Post-colonial South Asia

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Tertiary sources

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Secondary sources

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F&f's general principles

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These principles are not meant to be observed compulsively all the time, but judiciously, with wisdom.

  • In the manner in which I use the expression, "tertiary sources" and "secondary sources", there are many levels of sources. Also, when I use "good example" below, I don't mean that the books or article has no errors or is widely cited, only that they belong to the class of such sources.
  • level TT or tertiary-tertiary
  • these are Broad scale histories of South Asia. They determine how important Kashmir really is in the history of South Asia. (David Ludden and Michael Fisher are good examples. I'll be adding more of course.)
  • level TS, or tertiary-secondary
  • There are histories of Kashmir. They determine how important the topic is in the history of Kashmir. (Chitralekha Zutshi's Kashmir is a good example)
  • level ST, or secondary-tertiary,
  • these use primary sources but cover a wide range. PGN Suhail's book on the politics of land grabbing in Kashmir is a good example.
  • level SS, or secondary-secondary
  • These also use primary sources but cover a narrow range. A journal article abut land reforms in Kashmir between 1948 and 1951 would belong to this level.
  • I try to observe the principles:
  • The tertiary sources are not to be used for the fine details if they are not replicated in secondary sources Why? Because the tertiary sources are meant to sum up secondary sources.
  • The tertiary sources are to be used for the broad trends, they determine WP:due weight.
  • Always proceed from TT to SS.
  • One of the problems with Wikipedia is that people don't read books. This has happened in great part because of Google, and I suppose this was Jimbo Wales's pioneering insight, essentially that of a crowd-sourced knowledge base. But it has major weaknesses. Editors can search for a term and find a source that uses the term in some context. They can put it in an article without knowing or assessing how the author is using that term and in what context. In the old days, they would have had to find a book in a library or buy it it in a bookstore, scan it, read some relevant pages. Now they are more like data entry operators. The crowd-sourced system may converge to equilibrium but it hasn't yet, especially not in the topics in the Humanities and Social Sciences, and there is no certainty. In the science and technology topics, in which due weight is not as important, WP has done a better job. It is mostly the work of anonymous editors (I suspect).

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 April 2026

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In the "In culture" section, could you add the book "Shalimar the Clown" by Salman Rushdie ? A big part of the book happens in Kashmir and most of the story is based around the region history. Thank you Unpitichat (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. In other words, please write out the text that you'd like added to the article, with sourcing that affirms its relevance. Cheers, DiscoursesonLivvy (talk · contribs) 23:51, 15 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Regarding revert by User:Fowler&fowler

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You wrote "The Kashmir page has alwasy been mostly about the Kashmir region from the early 19th century onward. A brief mention can be made of the Hindu dynasties but nothing more. And they will need to be sourced to recent scholarship, not dated sources."

On what authority is this limit on dated sources being applied? Why should a page about a historically significant geographical region only be from 19th century onwards? LΞVIXIUS💬 17:50, 23 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Because the Kashmir region as opposed to the Kashmir valley did not become a significant geographical region until the early 19th century. For nearly 20 years we have followed Britannica, whose history section of the Kashmir article begins with (beyond the "According to legend" fluff): "Buddhism was introduced by the Mauryan emperor Ashoka in the 3rd century bce, and from the 9th to the 12th century ce the region appears to have achieved considerable prominence as a center of Hindu culture. A succession of Hindu dynasties ruled Kashmir until 1346, when it came under Muslim rule. The Muslim period lasted nearly five centuries, ending when Kashmir was annexed to the Sikh kingdom of the Punjab in 1819 and then to the Dogra kingdom of Jammu in 1846. Thus, the Kashmir region in its contemporary form dates from 1846." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:03, 24 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Scope

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What exactly is the scope of this article? In lead section it does define the region concerned as larger area that formerly comprised the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir but then quickly limits itself to Kashmir Valley in the sections of history, transportation, economy, culture, etc. Not to mention it is anachronistic to retrospectively treat the areas now part of Kashmir dispute (Baltistan, Gilgit, Ladakh etc.) as historical parts of "Kashmir". Sutyarashi (talk) 07:12, 27 June 2026 (UTC) tReply