Talk:Jane Madders

ISBN for 'Before and After Childbirth' book

I found a possible ISBN for Before and After Childbirth: Ante-Natal and Postnatal Exercises: |isbn=9780443003332 (1958, according to https://www.amazon.com/Before-After-Childbirth-Jane-Madders/dp/0443003335) but this doesn't seem to correspond to any real books according to the five isbn searches I've tried. Yadsalohcin (talk) 15:21, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

@Yadsalohcin: Thanks for trying! I suspect the book was published too early to have been integrated into the ISBN system (I don't think it was ever republished again after the 1950s). Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Alanna the Brave (talk · contribs) 14:32, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 00:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Shall review @Alanna the Brave, on a first glance this looks very good. A bit of a breath of fresh air after my recent reviews IAWW (talk) 00:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

I noticed you haven't been active for about a week or so, which is no problem, but I would like to confirm you will be available to respond to improvements before I continue. IAWW (talk) 16:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello @IAWW -- I've been away on vacation, but am home today. I should have availability this weekend to respond to review comments. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 22:32, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world: Do you still have capacity to complete this review? I can respond to your initial comments from Aug. 18 if that's everything major, but I'm not sure if you were planning to say more about the article first. Thanks, Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

Hi Alanna, I'm sorry I completely forgot about this. I will review ASAP. Thanks for your patience. IAWW (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Alanna the Brave, the prose comments are below. IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world: Thanks! I'll reserve some time on Thursday or Friday to go through these. Cheers, Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

@Alanna the Brave pinging just in case you forgot about this IAWW (talk) 14:18, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world: So sorry! It turned into a somewhat hectic month. My slate is totally clear tomorrow morning, so I will sit down and get this done for certain. Thanks for your patience, Alanna the Brave (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

No worries, I'm not really in any rush. I hope it all went well. IAWW (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world: Okay -- I think I've finally tackled everything. Let me know if that works for you! Regards, Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:00, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Alanna the Brave, I'm happy with all your changes and am passing now. Nice work! IAWW (talk) 08:55, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

it was considered: As noted in the review of the body, is this meant to be "is considered"? IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Fixed -- I followed the source trail for more clarification, and the claim seems mainly to have come from Madders herself. -A.

Rest of the lead looks good. I think you summarised the article really well.

Education

Looks good :)

Career

Grantly Dick-Reed and encountering his work in support of natural childbirth, Madders was inspired to offer relaxation training to pregnant women: How did his work specifically inspire Madders? IAWW (talk) 01:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

There isn't a ton of detail in the sources, but I've adjusted/expanded that paragraph slightly. -A.

She was the introducer of the regular Women's Hour programme serving the Midlands, and contributed items to the English Magazine programme for overseas listeners: WP:CINS error IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. -A.

The women held regular group discussions about family relationships and parenthood, and sometimes brought in guest lecturers such as doctors, teachers, and educational psychologists: Another CINS error. I'll fix any further ones myself. IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. -A.

The Family Club was thought to be the earliest formal children's play group in the United Kingdom: Do you mean "is thought"? Also, by whom? IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Clarified -- it's a claim that came from Madders. -A.

She spent six years conducting research for a study on migraines. Working with a family doctor named K. M. Hay, she provided relaxation therapy...: Is the second sentence the "research" referred to in the first sentence? If so, this should be clearer. IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

I wasn't totally sure myself, but I read through more of the published study, which confirms yes -- I've expanded/clarified that paragraph and cited the study. -A.

she reported in 1971 that 69 of their patients had demonstrated improvement by experiencing fewer or milder cases of migraines after the treatment: Was there any further commentary/research on whether this was significantly more than would be expected with a placebo treatment? IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

No, I haven't found any further commentary on that. -A.

Personal life

Looks good :)

Death and legacy

Is "history of therapeutic relaxation in the United Kingdom" notable enough for a redlink? IAWW (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Seems a little niche to me, but it's true that there seems to be a number of sources/information available on the subject, so somebody might be able to create that article. I've redlinked. -A.

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) Y

No issues. Thanks for clipping everything

Reliability (Criterion 2b) Y

Two reliable journals and a bunch of local news. I seen no issues.

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

Spot check numbers based on this version. I'm using a semi-automated spot checker for some.

[7]: Y

[9]: Y

[11]: Extreme nitpick: "managing" is slightly different from being in change of, and the source only supports the latter. IAWW (talk) 01:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Removed "managing". -A.

[12]: Doesn't support that it was "for helping students and parents navigate..." IAWW (talk) 01:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

I've removed "parents" and added the "Family Life Starts in the Classroom" source, which does support the claim for the course teaching teachers to help students navigate these issues. -A.

[13]: The actual teaching took place at the Birmingham College of Education, not the Migraine Clinic. IAWW (talk) 01:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Corrected to explain the patients were referred to her by the clinic. -A.

[16]: Y

[17]: Y

[18]: Y

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) Y

Earwig finds nothing. I found no issues on the spot check either.

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

While not significant enough to impact broadness, the British Newspaper Archive has a lot on Madders, so if you have access that would add to the article. IAWW (talk) 01:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

No access (alas!). -A.

Media Y

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

Good free use rationale

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by TechnoSquirrel69 (talk) 04:27, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that British physiotherapist Jane Madders developed relaxation training for pregnant women and migraine patients and helped establish the first relaxation charity in Britain?

• Source: (1) "I persuaded the matron of the then Lordswood Maternity Hospital to allow me to teach relaxation at antenatal classes..." https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-birmingham-post-relax-the-madders-wa/162582187/

(2) "The experiment has taken the form of a course in muscle relaxation, devised and directed by Mrs. Jane Madders ... Mrs. Madder's pupils were 20 patients recommended by Dr. K. M. Hay, of Birmingham Migraine Clinic, as victims of very severe and frequent attacks." https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-birmingham-post-relax-this-is-the/163062660/

(3) "Britain’s first relaxation charity—Relaxation for Living (RforL) ... Physiotherapist and health educator Jane Madders was the key inspiration behind the organization’s therapeutic ambitions and practical set up. Madders acted as a technical advisor, leading the training of RforL teachers and later became Chairwoman of the organization." https://doi.org/10.1057%2Fpalcomms.2016.43

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jack-be-little

Improved to Good Article status by Alanna the Brave (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Alanna the Brave (talk) 20:41, 30 October 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Needs its QPQ, as you've noted, ping me when it's done. I was curious that there's no information in the article about her life before college but I assume you have worked with the information available. Anyway - hook fact is supported, and as I'd never even heard of a relaxation charity I find it interesting. DrThneed (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2025 (UTC) @Alanna the Brave: review above, please add a QPQ. DrThneed (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

@DrThneed: Just working on one now. Apologies for the wait! Alanna the Brave (talk) 01:12, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

@DrThneed: QPQ done (added Jack-be-little above). Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:09, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

@Alanna the Brave: Great, thanks - no need to apologise, I had just realised I didn't ping you when I reviewed it so you probably wouldn't realise it was done. Sorry! Changed the status, all good to go with this. DrThneed (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2025 (UTC)