Talk:Jabalia

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Names

The list of 111 names could be ommited, and instead we write that Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights is reporting of 111 Palestinian killed. MathKnight 18:26, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To Alberuni: Namial list is, well, a list of names. MathKnight 21:39, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Is that the English language - or Hebrew? Alberuni 02:43, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

English. Namial --> name-al. MathKnight 10:36, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Maybe I'm missing something. I'll assume it's just an ESL typo. Alberuni 03:01, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Palestinian miltants are not the same as Palestinians

Jayjg, please try to be more specific, not less specific, in your edits and try not to blur the boundaries between civilian and militant to justify Israeli aggression against civilian Palestinian refugees. Alberuni 02:42, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm trying to avoid POV labels that lead to edit wars, not any of the nonsensical motives you've attributed to me. Identifying the specific groups involved is an even better way of doing this. Jayjg 02:52, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The specific groups are militants or Hamas, if identified. Why do you label militant acts as being committed generically by "Palestinians"? Should we label IDF acts as being committed by "the Jews"? Alberuni 02:56, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Just trying to avoid POV labels; if you have better wording that does the same, I'd support it. Jayjg 03:12, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

"militant" is not a specific group. Specific groups are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Popular Resistance Committees, Tanzim, Abu-Reish Brigades, PFLP, DFLP etc. MathKnight 12:25, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You are using POV labels of "terrorist" without attributing them to the Israeli government. Please stop your continuous reverts until this issue has been resolved. Alberuni 03:34, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Actually, you've been doing continuous reverts of "terrorist" to "militants". Please stop until the issue has been resolved. Jayjg 03:36, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The militant palistinian groups may be called terrorists because they mainly target civilians while the IDF may not be called terrorist because it targets militants but as with all military operations, cilivilians might get caught in the crossfire, but they are not the main targets. Passw0rd

Seems to me like we need a specific List of Palestinian militant groups page, from which we can then use to specifically identify them apart from "normal" Palestinians and use as a page to display the various points of view about them. Oberiko 18:19, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Citation

When you are adding an event to the time line please cite a news source such as CNN, BBC etc. Al-Mazen can't qualify since it do not tells rather the dead was combatant or not. MathKnight 10:50, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The events are reported and sourced. It doesn't matter whether the casualty is militant or civilian or Israeli. The casualties are never described as civilians. It's all NPOV. Alberuni 02:58, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It matters very much whether the casualty is armed or unarmed, militant or civilian, terrorist or soldier. Deliberately and knowingly shooting those engaged in combat operations is permissible within the "rules of war". Deliberately and knowingly shooting civilians is not.

We're not in a position to judge the POV reports of combat status of fatalities. "Israeli army claims the man they killed was a terrorist responsible for shooting an Israeli motorist in 1996; the soldiers suspected that the girl's book bag was a bomb, making her a legitimate target; the terrorist was hiding in an apartment building so 19 people were justifiably killed when an Israeli missile, manufactured in the United States and paid for by US taxpayers was fired from a helicopter to kill the "terrorist", Israeli army reported receiving mortar rounds from the UNRWA school so they shot a girl in the chest in her classroom, unfortunate collateral damage but the Jews must defend themselves, too bad....." etc. We're just listing fatalities and casualties. Thanks.Alberuni 03:54, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

If that's the case, then leave out references to "children" as well, since we're not in a position to judge those POV reports either; just list fatalities and casualties. Jayjg 04:05, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

If you want to delete reference to "children," "child," "girl," "boy," etc. in all the reports, including the initial one of "Two children killed by a Qassam rocket in Sderot" then that's fine by me. The reader can decide for him/herself whether the victims are children by listing their ages. But wait! Perhaps we should not list ages either because we can't trust POV reports about the age of the victims either. Maybe we should just refer to the victims as male/female, Arab/Jew because those are the only categories in which we believe. But wait! We can't really even trust that either. It's possible that these were not humans at all. Maybe they were Palestinians and you know, "some people" dispute that Palestinians even exist. They may be just fake stories planted by liars and propagandists, like partisan human rights organizations. Maybe the terrorists and the IDF don't really exist at all and the pools of blood are just ketchup or special effects created by al Jazeera. Now we can all sleep soundly and not think about the mutilated children. Alberuni 20:34, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lance6wins would you care to explain your deletions?

The material you are deleting is sourced. You are welcome to add to it. What is your justification for deleting it? Alberuni 02:59, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps you are referring to . Please note that both attacks against Israelis and attacks against Arabs are marked as deleted in this diff. I do not know what happened there. Unreported edit conflict? Mulitple concurrent edits? I do not understand what happened. Thank you for pointing this out. Will fix. Lance6Wins 03:11, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Good job. Alberuni 03:18, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Moving the operation

Seems like the Israeli operation is taking most of the page. I propose to move it to its own article and have a summary with iLink here. Oberiko 18:20, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That was my thought looking at it: Operation Days of Penitance looks like the obvious title. --Henrygb 18:40, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Operation Days of Penitence will be the title (the spelling was copied from English press). Any objections? MathKnight 20:55, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Alright, the article is moved. Oberiko 14:53, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Its a city

Jabalia is a small city in northern gaza strip we cant say that Jabalia is a refugee camp i think the article must be moved to Jabalia camp. --Marquez 09:05, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

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Request to remove claims the population suffers from sexual disorders caused by cousin-nephew inbreeding that damaged the gene pool according to a poorly cited doctor in agricultural science

Description of suggested change:Remove the text that states inbreeding has damaged the genome of Palestinians that live in this city.

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A number of male pseudohermaphrodite births have been reported in Jabalia. Jehad Abudaia, a Canadian-Palestinian pediatrician and urologist, has suggested that consanguinity due to cousin marriages accounts for the prevalence of pseudohermaphrodite births. In the Gaza Strip, pseudohermaphrodite conditions often go undetected for years after birth due to the region's lower standards of medical treatment and diagnostics.[44]

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Remove this slob

95.99.76.13 (talk) 05:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Seeing a citation on inbreeding and cousin-nephew procreation on the WikiPedia page for this city made me very suspicious. Furthermore, the 2009 CNN article 'Rare gender identity defect hits Gaza families' does not seem the best primary source to quote a medical researcher from. (

Further reading on the Wiki page for pseudohermaphrodism, the genetic disease observed in the study, shows the is cited as outdated and flagged as contentious on the Talk page.

Then I also find out the Dr is a p.h.d. in agricultural science (https://www.alquds.edu/en/faculty-team/jehad-abbadi/#:~:text=Ph.D.%20degree%20in%20agricultural).

The above leads me to conclude the section on how the palestinian people are sexually damaged because of inbreeding should be removed.

I don't think you have identified Jehad Abudaia correctly. The name is not the same. Zero^talk 06:24, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I’m so sorry! This was very stupid of me.

I still have issues with the notability of that section. It does not pass the sniff test for me.

Inbreeding is a common anti-Semitic trope, but it feels off in an Arab context too. 95.99.76.13 (talk) 17:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Given the topic is a medical one, should we be looking for peer-reviewed articles that contain this information rather than a news report? Google Scholar indicated this article from the 1990s might have something but I don't have access. And that does significantly predate the CNN news story. Richard Nevell (talk) 21:12, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Not done for now: Hi, thanks for raising concerns about this section. You're absolutely right to question both the notability of the source and the need for high-quality citations—especially when dealing with sensitive medical and social topics.

That said, I looked into it, and it appears there is legitimate peer-reviewed literature supporting the claim that certain intersex conditions (like 17β-HSD3 deficiency) are unusually prevalent in the Gaza Strip, with consanguinity cited as a contributing factor. The problem seems to be the quality of sourcing, not necessarily the presence of the topic.

Also, just to clarify, Dr. Jehad Abudaia (the one cited) is in fact a pediatric urologist, not the agricultural scientist you mentioned. Easy mistake—they have very similar names.

Would you be open to helping revise the section using better medical sources (like review articles or clinical studies) rather than deleting it?

Let me know what you think—thanks again for flagging it. Dahawk04 (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

@Dahawk04, that sounds like a good approach to me. Richard Nevell (talk) 21:29, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this more! Sorry to everyone for confusing the two researchers.

Most importantly, my sincere apologies are for Dr. Jehad Abudaia and Jehad Abbadi for questioning their academic integrity.

Nevertheless I'm glad y'all investigated this further; I am happy to see you, Zero, and Richard all considered this so carefully that you spotted my mistake (hallucinating is easier than catching that) and changed my mind.

I wholeheartedly concur that the source is a legitimate peer-reviewed scientific article now.

Computer Science is the only STEM that computes for me; I dropped out of biology before high school so idk I would never trust myself on anything health-, biology-, anthropology-, history, etc. related whatsoever. Tbh, I usually only come here if a specific source can be cited more verbosely (easier cross-referencing that way) or whatever.

Would it be valid & helpful if I do some reading and collect some articles to append to this page in future for further disussion?

Or better release the nerd and try to find the original source in full, map-out a tree of the references author Dr. Jehad Abudaia himself originally cited and see if there's any citations on that, etc?

Idk of any of that would be of help? Would love to hear your thoughts; low-key digging your edit-history btw 95.99.76.13 (talk) 08:45, 5 July 2025 (UTC)