Talk:Hongzhi Emperor

Meaning of reign name

What does Hongzhi means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.49.207 (talk) 18:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hongzhi is a reign title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 吴健民 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 25 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Consensus not to move (All the IP votes are by the nominator, per this Sockpuppet report), therefore, not moved. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 12:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hongzhi Emperor → Zhu Youcheng (Emperor Xiaozong of Ming) – This article mainly talks about Zhu Youcheng, Emperor Xiaozong of the Ming dynasty, but there is an article which has a similar title "Tongzhi Emperor" and mainly talks about Aisin Gioro Zaichun, Emperor Muzong of the Qing dynasty, in English Wikipedia. In order to distinguish from each other, I think it is a good idea to change this article's title to "Zhu Youcheng (Emperor Xiaozong of Ming)". 111.194.18.194 (talk) 10:42, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as the proposed title does not meet WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE nor WP:CONSISTENCY. It would also be against the an existing naming convention for Chinese emperors of the Ming and Qing dinasties, which sets that era names must be used. The confusion issue here is not very justified: "Hongzhi" and "Tongzhi" do not even begin with the same letter, so it is more difficult they will get confused in user searches. Nonetheless, if it became an actual issue the the "distinguish" template could be used without needing to change the article title. Impru20^talk 14:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Because the two articles' original titles are so similar (the difference is only the first letter "h" and "t"), I decide to distinguish between the two emperors by using their birth names and temple names. It can also make the distinguish template unnecessary. In conclusion, my proposal can distinguish between the two emperors better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.194.18.194 (talk) 15:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support: Reason mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.121.173.87 (talk) 06:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Impru20^talk 17:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Comment. Both the IP that introduced this request and this IP are located in the same city and began editing the day of these requests, with edits only pertaining to a single interconnected set of move discussions. The IP here also filed a similar move request with identical editing idiosyncrasies (including adding the new request to the top of the talk page instead of the bottom) that may indicate a connection between the user(s) of these IP addresses. Dekimasuよ! 15:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support: Reason mentioned above. In addition, what do you think about the proposal put forward by 111.194.18.194, Dekimasu? You should focus on the page-moved proposal here, instead of the irrelevant behaviour of 111.194.18.194. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (Striking !vote, as this is a duplicate of the IP user's creation of this proposal – see the outcome of the SPI discussion). Impru20^talk 17:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Comment, also noting that this third IP account shares the same characteristics as pointed out by Dekimasu above. Impru20^talk 14:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

To Impru20: I am innocent. I just want to back to the page-moved proposal itself, instead of talking about others so long to disturb this discussion. I know you oppose the proposal, but you shouldn't framed me without any evidence. If you continue to framed me, I can also report you to the administrators.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 15:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose I thank the proposer for a thoughtful suggestion, but Wikipedia policy and longstanding practice require that we follow the policies mentioned above, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE and WP:CONSISTENCY. Few, if any, of our readers would recognize this name. ch (talk) 15:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think so. Due to the minimal difference between "Hongzhi Emperor" and "Tongzhi Emperor" (only the first letter), and the dynasties which the two emperors lived in (Ming dynasty and Qing dynasty) are too close, I support the page-moved proposal. I agree that it is necessary to distinguish them by their birth names and temple names. If we continue to obey the rules of Wikipedia mentioned above, the two emperors will still be confused.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.124.233.241 (talk) 10:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose not convinced the current name is the best, but the suggested change is clearly worse. The IP edits are concerning. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:39, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Hongzhi Emperor/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Min968 (talk · contribs) 14:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Векочел (talk · contribs) 01:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Will start shortly. Векочел (talk) 01:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Min968 I have some minor concerns about the wording and factuality of this article. There is a contradiction in the article regarding the number of children the Hongzhi Emperor had.

• Under the section Early life and accession, it states that Together, they had two sons and three daughters, referring to the emperor and his wife. However, the Family section lists two sons and one daughter.
• Under The empress and her relatives: However, the empress was a foolish woman who only cared about her relatives, especially her brothers. Is there a way you could reword this sentence so that it sounds more neutral?
• In the Domestic policy section, Among them were the eunuch Huai En and the official Wang Shu (王恕), who were appointed as the minister of personnel. Were Huai and Wang both appointed as minister? If so, it should be reworded as plural ministers.
• In the Family section, However, the boy seemed to rebel against the emperor's teachings in his heart, if not openly. Could you rewrite the sentence to get rid of the metaphor?

That's all for now. Векочел (talk) 18:29, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

@Векочел Done. Min968 (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

• Nicely done, once again. I am passing it. Векочел (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

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