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French translation

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@~2025-40835-47: I'd rather not edit war, but I'm not sure why a French translation needs to be added to an international waterway? One of the lakes is entirely in the United States. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:14, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Magnolia677 Four of the Great Lakes are shared across an international border between the United States and Canada. Canada is officially and legally a bilingual country.
That is 80%. And by volume and acreage it could be more given the relative sizes of Lake Superior and Lake Huron.
Lake Michigan is but one of five. I am not suggesting that we put Finnish on it, but it shares a border with the Upper Peninsula. The latter suggestion is a mere jest, and you have to have at least gone to the Yooper to get it.
Additionally, the province of Quebec borders Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence River, which drains the Great Lakes system, meaning Quebec touches the far end of the Great Lakes watershed. 7&6=thirteen () 15:25, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Surely you are not trying to do an historic and geographic turn-around like Gulf of Mexico into Gulf of America. 7&6=thirteen () 15:32, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Canada may be officially bilingual, but each province is not, and English Wikipedia absolutely is not. MOS:FIRST and MOS:LEADLANG in no way support that bilingual countries need every article about a portion of its geography translated. Could you imagine what the first sentence of the Alps (also a geographic region) would look like? Magnolia677 (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
New Brunswick is officially bilingual. Quebec is officially French. 7&6=thirteen () 18:21, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
@7&6=thirteen: respectfully, the MOS provisions don't support including it. The status of New Brunswick and Québec isn't relevant as those provinces don't border the Great Lakes. (Lake Ontario is surrounded by Ontario and New York; Québec does not border the lake.)
In any case, this francophile and intermediate speaker of French from the UP is against including it as unneeded and against the MOS. Imzadi 1979  18:40, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I've said everything I intend to say. I didn't introduce it initially, and I await others to provide their insight. Cheers. Always good to hear from a fellow Michigander, User:Imzadi1979, whose perspective and contributions I value. 7&6=thirteen () 19:28, 16 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
It has been this way, forever. That's not to say it can't change but one would expect someone to try to understand why that would be. My take has been, it is a common alternative, and just because it is in a different language does not mean it cannot be a common alternative. We regularly feature common alternatives in the first sentence. It also is tied to the history of the lakes. The history of Quebec which once reached to the Mississippi encompassing all the lakes is very much related, as is the topography of the lake system. Even to this day, Quebec is a member of the international working organizations on these lakes because you can't have the system without Quebec. Alanscottwalker (talk) 03:06, 19 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

What about adding the name of the lakes just to the lead? After all, they are nowadays part of Canada (except Lake Michigan) and they were historically part of New France, which reflects on French place names around them, such as Au Sable, Michigan, Detroit and French transcriptions of Native names such as Illinois, as seen on List of place names of French origin in the United States. Gulf of Carpentaria (talk) 21:39, 25 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Gulf of Carpentaria: Why do these details need to be in the first sentence of the article? Magnolia677 (talk) 22:02, 25 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

I didn't mean to add these details to the first sentence, I just wanted to justify adding the French name of the lakes to it. Here's another argument, a picture of a bilingual sign at Lake Superior Provincial Park in Ontario:

A bilingual English and French sign in Lake Superior Provincial Park

Gulf of Carpentaria (talk) 11:29, 15 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

I found this one too. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

Area figure conversion algorithm

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The algorithm used in this article to convert figures from sq mi to sq km is imprecise. The area figures in sq km are not accurate. The source of those sq km figures does not provide a correct figure. Lepidux (talk) 07:43, 22 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Area figures

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The area figures in sq km are now accurate, after using another algorithm in the table. Lepidux (talk) 08:07, 22 February 2026 (UTC)Reply