Talk:Grace Kelly

Death crash

There has been considerable speculation about the exact circumstances of the crash, including a theory that it was actually her daughter who was driving. Is it not acceptable to mention this? Valetude (talk) 15:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Removal of Grace Kelly's coat-of-arms

I got this response from the Ireland's Office of the Chief Herald about Grace Kelly's coat-of-arms by Heralder when I asked them to verify the arms:

"Thank you for your enquiry which has been passed to me for attention. The short answer to your question is that no one has a right to the use of another's arms. Arms are property. Using the Kelly arms which you describe, or any other pronominal coat, is much akin to claiming a right to drive away another's motor car on the basis that owner and thief have the same surname. In Ireland a right to arms is dependent upon a Grant of Arms from the Chief Herald of Ireland either directly or to an ancestor. I should point out that Kelly is a widespread surname known to have arisen in several different places throughout Ireland so by no means are all Kelly's related. Despite anything which you might have heard or read there is no such thing as clann or sept arms nor has there ever been."

Due to this, I would recommend removing the coat-of-arms from Grace Kelly's Wikimedia page and Wikimedia Commons. Obversa (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Alleged rape of Susanna Moore

Why is this mentioned on this page? If it is just because Grave Kelly dated him, it should be removed. If there is a reason to mention it, the reason should be mentioned along with the alleged rape. 94.217.98.68 (talk) 00:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Grace, Princess of Monaco

Shouldn't this page's title be "Grace, Princess of Monaco" instead of "Grace Kelly"? That seems to be how most articles of royals are titled, including Grace's husband (Rainier III, Prince of Monaco), Kate Middleton (Catherine, Princess of Wales) and her own daughter (Caroline, Princess of Hanover). Poldl (talk) 19:55, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

It is convention to use a royal consort’s maiden name as it is usually their common name, especially when that individual is deceased. Grace Kelly was a royal consort in the same capacity as Alexandra of Denmark, or Louise of Sweden. AKTC3 (talk) 14:19, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

There are a few royal consort's profiles where this convention is not followed, but I can see how that makes sense. Thank you! Poldl (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree I think it should be their final name that is the main headline. There seems to be a lot of other royals that are using their maiden names or titles whereas as the men who marry into royal families their names at the time of their death is used. Heloeheod34 (talk) 15:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

"relatively low"

Why is $850/week for 7 years "relatively low", that's 9558$ as of 2022 (or half a million a year) for a 23 year old? lol I wish I was getting that "low" Gendalv (talk) 10:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Where's the Table of Contents?

One of the few really GOOD features of Wikipedia is the T.O.C. which appears near the beginning of most long articles. Good feature, for multiple reasons!

But many pages are missing the Table of Contents, including this one. I hope that one of you fine Wiki editors will "pick up the ball" and perhaps design a Bot to prepare the T.of.C. automatically. Please give me a link, either here or on my Talk page) when any discussion of such a Bot is advanced.

Thanks in advance.˜˜˜˜ ˜˜˜˜ Jamesdowallen (talk) 19:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jamesdowallen, a ToC is automatically generated when there are enough level-2 headings (I think 2 or more). This article has a ToC. Schazjmd (talk) 20:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Very frequent aka

Her very frequently used a.k.a. & married name Grace of Monaco has long been in the lead in bold type. Now removed for unclear reasons. Very frequently used a.k.a.s are normally thus included. I will reinstate it again unless someone can explain why this particular article should be an execption in that regard. SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:46, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

"Grace of Monaco" is redundant to "Grace Kelly ... was Princess of Monaco". Of course a princess Grace of Monaco was Grace of Monaco. Surtsicna (talk) 10:45, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

No it is not. It should be treated like any other aka in very frequent use. Not every princess has such. Very few do. Our readers deserve clarity. Lots of people, especially younger people, have no idea who "Grace Kelly" is, and she is called "Grace of Monaco" very very often. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:42, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

That is demonstrably false. Everyone who has ever heard of this woman knows who "Grace Kelly" is. "Grace Kelly" has always been a far more common search term than "Grace of Monaco". Surtsicna (talk) 23:04, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I am in touch with lots of young people 18-35 years old. Most of them have no idea who Grace Kelly is. You? Some know that an old American actress was a princess of Monaco, but they do not know her stage name. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:33, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Let me guess: those young people who do not know who Grace Kelly is somehow know who Grace of Monaco is, right? Contrary to that anecdote, hard data shows that a vast majority of young people familiar with her know her as Grace Kelly. Besides Google Trend results given above, we can see that there are 386k #gracekelly, 79k #princessgrace, and 22k #graceofmonaco posts on Instagram. That is roughly 79% for "Grace Kelly" and 4% for "Grace of Monaco". For hard data on just how young Instagram users are, see here. On TikTok there are 24k #gracekelly posts, 1995 #princessgrace posts, and 295 #graceofmonaco posts. That is roughly 91% for "Grace Kelly" and 1% for "Grace of Monaco". And, believe it or not, overall TikTok users skew even younger than Instagram users. Surtsicna (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Basic flaw in that argument: We aren't publishing articles only for people who already know the subjects.Quite the opposite, actually. SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:11, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Nobody said or suggested that we are. That is why we define the subject as princess of Monaco in the lead. Those who are unfamiliar do not need a reference to a redundant and demonstrably uncommon alternative name. They just need her to be defined as princess of Monaco. Surtsicna (talk) 10:25, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Grace of Monaco is not (not) a demonstrably uncommon alternative name for this woman. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:43, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, compared to "Grace Kelly", it is. Numbers do not lie. Surtsicna (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm with Surtsicna on this. "Grace Kelly was Princess of Monaco"; when a reader actually reads that sentence their first impression is not that the subject is "Grace of Thailand" or "Grace of Nigeria". It's pretty obvious to which principality this woman belonged. It would be like saying "Elizabeth II, also known as Elizabeth of the United Kingdom, was Queen of the United Kingdom"! Keivan.f^Talk 05:10, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

No it would not, because we aren't calling the article about Elizabeth II "Elizabeth Windsor". SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Of course we are not. We are using the common names. "Elizabeth II" and "Grace Kelly" are by far the most common names for these women. The claim that young people use "Grace of Monaco" and not "Grace Kelly" is unsubstantiated; in fact, it is refuted by data. Surtsicna (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Of course I have no objection to the article names corresponding to the most common names. This is a question of clarity for every reader, íncluding the many young people who do not know the name "Grace Kelly" at all. If an article's lead states that someone is an artist, and that someone also has an aka known and used all over the world as "James Artist", that aka goes in the lead. Same thing here. Very common aka goes in the lead in bold type. For clarity. Many princesses do not have very frequent aka's as "[Name] of [Country]". This one absolutely does. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:41, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

The assertion that "many young people who do not know the name 'Grace Kelly' at all" and the assertion that 'Grace of Monaco' is a widely known alternative name that is not redundant to "princess of Monaco" have been proven false by hard data above. Do you intend to just repeat that? Surtsicna (talk) 21:05, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

"Grace of Monaco" is not the subject's common name, so I'm not going to even discuss that part. So Elizabeth II is not being referred to as Elizabeth of the United Kingdom in the lede because we don't call her "Elizabeth Windsor" in the opening sentence? I'm sorry I'm just failing to follow the logic behind this. Neither "Elizabeth II" nor "Elizabeth Windsor" indicate that she is "of the United Kingdom". It is the actual sentence that clarifies it for the reader. That is the case here as well. And to have it repeated twice (Grace of Monaco was Princess of Monaco!) as if the readers are dumb is actually ridiculous. Keivan.f^Talk 21:33, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

I know that I am responding seven months later. However, I also agree with Surtsicna and Keivan.f that Grace of Monaco should not be bolded in the lede. Namely:

1. MOS:BADNICK states that Alternative names that are sourceable but not generally known to the public ... are not encyclopedic. Highlighting uncommon ... appellations in the lead section gives them undue weight.... As this Ngram shows, Grace was more commonly known as Grace Kelly than Grace of Monaco even when she was married to Rainier III.
2. To personally counter your claim regarding young people, I am in my 20s and not only know who Grace is, but I know her even better under her stage name as an American actress, Grace Kelly, than Grace of Monaco, her name as a princess of Monaco.

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 23:18, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

As an aside, I am aware that consensus can change on this matter. However, given that three editors have now disagreed with your proposal to bold Grace of Monaco, I would support retaining the lede as is. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 23:21, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

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