Talk:Goodwin Sands

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I believe the Ian Flemming James Bond book Moonraker takes place, at least partially, on the Goodwin Sands. I will confirm shortly. Can anyone confirm the 1950's ship wreck Flemming mentions?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Illcommunication (talk • contribs) 18:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The Lady Lovibond story is legendary, rather than factual, and cannot be substantiated in any known records of wrecks or sources from the period, e.g. Lloyd's List, Lloyd's Register, contemporary newspapers or diaries or any other sources. It's a romantic story, but that's all it is, I'm afraid. Vandenwyngaerde (talk) 18:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Map

Map would be useful. Drutt (talk) 16:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It would be more accurate to say that the sands are in the North Sea. They are not in the Channel! See IHO, International Hydrographic Office for geographical limits to these. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.85.166 (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Notable events — 11th Century

The citation for the supposed inundation of farmland that now forms the Goodwin Sands is Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. Is it right to justify a statement of fact to an acknowledged fable? Tagged {{Verify credibility}}--217.155.32.221 (talk) 15:17, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

--Because this section is directly contradicted by the preceding section, which is sourced to scientific, rather than folkloric, references, it should be eliminated. The preceding section clearly sets out the apocryphal nature of the story. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Images or diagram of the bank would be nice, rated as start Richard Thompson (Talk! | Contribs) 08:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Who was Goodwin?

Any clues? Valetude (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Read the section Island of Lomea, in particular the link to Godwin, Earl of Wessex. He was the father of King Harold Godwinson of 1066 fame. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Martin. And forgive my carelessness. Valetude (talk) 00:32, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Controversial dredging

There is no explanation of why it was "controversial". The reference URL is dead, and archive.org has only the front page which does not mention it. Davidships (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC) (added with this diff) Davidships (talk) 07:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Photo

I've added an aerial photo, but I suspect in a not so optimal position. Feel free to move somewhere better. Potkettle (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Terminology problem

There is a problem with this edit by User:Moneytrees. The language that has been changed is quite precise technical terminology. So what appears to be plagiarism may be the only way to say this. Certainly the word "fortunately" should not appear, if that is in the source, but terms like "struck" and "got off" do not, as far as I am aware, have any paraphrases.

I have had this before with another editor who believed that "went ashore" (a ship, not a person) was the same as "went aground".

What we have now does not seem to be a description of the actual event. "Unmoored" is something completely different (dictionary moment) from removing a ship from a particularly dangerous bank (known as the ship-swallower).

Whatever the article does say, it needs to convey the fact that not many vessels that went aground on the Goodwins were salvaged. For a salvage effort to be successful is a relatively remarkable event (at least in the days before powerful steam tugs). "Got off" conveys that the ship was stuck on the sands; we would guess that substantial effort was needed to do this, probably laying out anchors and heaving in their cables whilst others threw overboard anything that was heavy. "Refloated" does not really solve the problem; a salvage described that way might just involved a lengthy use of pumps in a quiet location. On the Goodwins you have significant tides (height, speed and complexity) that would make the two operations look entirely different.

But this part of the article appears to be completely unreferenced. So one could wonder why it is there. I have checked for an RS that deals with this HMS Vanguard (1678) incident but can't find one. Perhaps the best solution is to delete this entirely. ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 23:22, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

I have copied the link to the boatmen of Deal to elsewhere in the article in anticipation of you deleting the problem text. Of course, I may be jumping the gun... ThoughtIdRetired _TIR 23:28, 19 January 2026 (UTC)