Talk:Goliad Campaign

Texans or Texians?

Which is it? The article seems to use both interchangeably...

Dblecros 01:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

"Texians" was the original word for people from Texas, but other people found it hard to pronounce and they changed it to "Texans." I think the change happened when Texas joined the US, and other states could not pronounce the word, but I'm not sure. Cloudbreath9 (talk) 23:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Names of those massacred at Goliad

Is there a list of the men who were captured and killed? A link to it would be helpful even if for some reason the list could not be here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.29.209 (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Outline for revamp

My ideas of how to reorganize the article; other input welcome. Karanacs (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• Background
  • 1835 - Santa Anna turned Centralist, revoked the Const of 1824, revolts inside Mexico put down brutally, Texians kicked out the soldiers
  • 1836 -
    • Santa Anna begins gathering troops for his Army. Tornel Decree.
      • Matamoros Expedition meant troops under Grant and Johnson. Fannin's role. Texas government functionally shut down. Rumors of Mexican troops on the way ignored.
      • Tons of people from the US flocking to Texas to fight - no horse in this race
      • Importance of the coast - supplies, easier to communicate with Mexican interior, etc.
      • many centralist supporters along the Gulf Coast - San Patricio Irish Catholics, large Tejano population in Refugio and Goliad

• Prelude
  • Houston manages to dissuade most of the Matamoros guys and they join up with Fannin
  • Grant and Johnson take the rest of their volunteers into Tamaulipas to look for horses
  • Urrea crosses over on Feb 18; Urrea has convinced the federalists in Matamoros not to support the Texians and double agents tell Grant and Johnson that the revolt is still on

• neutralize Matamoros Expedition
  • Battle of San Patricio
  • Battle of Agua Dulce

• Refugio
  • Citizens want to leave - Lewis Ayers begs Fannin for help
  • Fannin sends King and then Ward to Refugio to help, they are stupid
  • Battle of Refugio

• Coleto
  • Fannin delays delays delays
  • Finally tries to leave, poor planning, poor decision making
  • Caught on a field, battle of Coleto
  • differing intepretations of surrender terms
  • marched back to Goliad

• Massacre
  • Other people taken prisoner at Copano and marched to Goliad
  • Urrea doesn't want to kill them all
  • Santa Anna orders otherwise
  • some spared, some escape, everyone else killed

• Aftermath
  • Urrea was the only Mexican general to win; did not want to retreat after San Jacinto
  • Santa Anna faced a tribunal over the massacre and the Alamo
  • Tornel decree rescinded when massacre news reached Mexico
  • huge outpouring of criticism everywhere - convinced more Americans to come fight in Texas