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Requested move 16 August 2019

Latest comment: 7 years ago15 comments11 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that "Georgia Tech" is the common name and per Wikipedia policy that's where it resides, irrespective of the institution's own style guides.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:49, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


Georgia Institute of Technology → Georgia Tech – WP:COMMONNAME, the same reason why we use the title Virginia Tech and not "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University" 24.228.135.248 (talk) 18:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. — Newslinger talk 03:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Observation. Georgia Tech's style guide says "Use Georgia Institute of Technology on first reference. Thereafter, only Georgia Tech, the Institute, or Tech may be used." By contrast, Virginia Tech's style guide says "Our official name is Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, but using the full name is cumbersome. Thus, 'Virginia Tech' is preferable in all but formal uses. Virginia Tech is used in news releases, feature articles, academic journals, and publications and on the Web." So this is not an apples-to-apples situation on the initial naming side: Virginia Tech's style guide encourages the shortened version, while Georgia Tech's does not. That said, Wikipedia's concern is what is the common name, and in all but academic circles, that probably is Georgia Tech. —C.Fred (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Didn’t realize that. I guess I’ll have to Oppose the move for now. 24.228.135.248 (talk) 19:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Wikipedia has its own style guidance, which does not grant any authority to the people who run the institutions that are discussed in its articles. Wikipedia prefers to use the WP:COMMONNAME of institutions, as used by independent reliable sources, and the above-referenced style guide appears to acknowledge that the common name of the institution is "Georgia Tech". OTOH, I think it is sometimes appropriate to lean toward being a little bit formal in an encyclopedia. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech should not be used against each other to create a false consistency. Virginia Tech's usage has consistently moved away from Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University/VPI, while Georgia Tech has kept closer to the formal Georgia Institute of Technology. A closer comparison would be between Georgia Tech and MIT - I don't think anybody is ready to propose moving the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to MIT. Nor do we title Pennsylvania State University Penn State or North Carolina State University NC State. COMMONNAME can be taken too far. In any case, the formal name should show up first in the article, as it does for both MIT and Virginia Tech. Acroterion (talk) 22:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Actually, North Carolina State University's official name is "North Carolina State University at Raleigh". Per its Wikipedia article: the name was changed to the current North Carolina State University at Raleigh.[1] The "at Raleigh" part is usually omitted even on official documents such as diplomas, but is part of the school's official name. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
True, and then there's the whole The Pennsylvania State University and The Ohio State University. All showing that there are no universal conventions or consistencies that we can achieve. Acroterion (talk) 02:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
If the commonname arguments prevail, we can expect that there will be calls for wholesale renaming of articles on universities - almost none of the following, for instance, are titled according to common usage, so we'll have the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for to MIT, Texas Tech University to Texas Tech, Ohio State University to Ohio State, California Institute of Technology to Caltech, the University of Southern California to USC, the University of California Los Angeles to UCLA. As a matter of precedent, such a rename should have broad consensus, since the consequences will be extensive. All of the Foo State Universities will become Foo State, all of the Foo Institute of Technnologies will become Foo Techs, while Universities of Foo will stay as they are, and all of the acronym universities will just be letters, introducing a two-tier level of formality in naming that does not presently exist. Virginia Tech was a one-off, as the university has consciously promoted that name. No other university has followed that lead. This opens a can of worms that requires a broad consensus, not a local one. It's probably time to develop a specific naming protocol as a supplement, rather than blindly following COMMONNAME - but which I'll point out states that titles should resemble titles for similar articles. Article titles should be recognizable, concise, natural, precise, and consistent. Do we propose to depart from that part of the policy? Acroterion (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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Updated Institute Branding/ Visual Identity Standards

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

As of September 2021 the Institute has implemented updated branding and visual identity standards. Information is available at the link below:

https://brand.gatech.edu

The Wikipedia article needs to be updated to reflect the new standards, in particular both the Institute seal and primary logo, which are now dated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpw67 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Looks like we've updated the logo but not the seal? There is also a new Official Seal... 71.81.193.74 (talk) 20:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Georgia Tech University

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Is there any situation on Wikipedia where it should be proper to refer to the school as "Georgia Tech University" or should that be killed with fire? I recognize that Georgia Tech and Georgia Institute of Technology are both acceptable.Naraht (talk) 14:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Naraht: No, barring any limited discussion of usage of that misnomer by other parties. We can certainly call it a small-u "university", as in Georgia Tech is one of the universities that is part of the Atlantic Coast Conference or the University System of Georgia, but I don't see where the capital-U term would ever properly apply. —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
C.Fred Flamethrowers should be applied within the next 24 hours. :) Naraht (talk) 17:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Institute Seal updates?

Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello, I have observed that the GT logo on the article was updated some time ago yet the Institute Seal, which was also changed in last September's branding update, has not been updated. Consequently the article still shows the old seal. Any reason for this? Can the Seal be updated to the new one? 97.82.216.220 (talk) 19:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 February 2023

Latest comment: 3 years ago19 comments15 people in discussion
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 12:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Georgia Tech → Georgia Institute of Technology – The Georgia Institute of Technology is the school's official name used in the vast majority of cases. It should be noted that Georgia Tech is only a common abbreviation for the full name of the school, and does not constitute WP:COMMONNAME situation in the Wikipedia Community Guidelines.

The precedent that can be referred to includes the common abbreviation of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology is MIT, but the entry is still the original name. The common abbreviation for The California Institute of Technology is Caltech, but the entry is still the original name. The University of California, Berkeley is often abbreviated as UC Berkeley, but the entry is still the original name.

In the 2019 discussion, some contributors mentioned "Virginia Tech" as a precedent. First, "Virginia Tech" is a rare case of article title usage among U.S. university and college Wikipedia entries. Second, the use of the name "Virginia Tech" is a different case: its original name is too long and contains "and", and is hardly used in general. If you were to ask passers-by on the street in the United States if they knew about the "Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University," they'd probably be confused. But if you mention "Virginia Tech," it will be more likely that they say "oh, I know it." This is where Wikipedia's COMMONNAME guidelines apply. I don't believe it would be appropriate to refer to Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as precedent here. Cfls (talk) 00:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 05:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose. It has not been made clear why this current title does constitute WP:COMMONNAME like the nomination says. Saying it doesn't because it is "only a common abbreviation" is just WP:OFFICIALNAME. If we look at the website, Georgia Tech is far more common than Georgia Institute of Technology. So it isn't apparent what the problem is here, to me at least. --Quiz shows 01:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
    Out of curiosity, I took a look at Ohio State University. There have been multiple past attempts to rename the article The Ohio State University. Interestingly, the most common name used was "Ohio State" and not Ohio State University nor The Ohio State University. Checking the University of Michigan, "Michigan" is more common than University of Michigan. Michigan State University takes a different route and uses "MSU" 17 times over the single use of Michigan State University. University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign does not mention themselves as University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign on their website, but does mention "Illinois" and "U of I" instead. To wrap this up, Pennsylvania State University goes by that name once and by "Penn State" at least 13 times. To sum it up, I don't think that we should be using the website of a university to determine the name that Wikipedia should use. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:46, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
    As a brief follow-up, Reuters has use Georgia Institute of Technology recently outside of sports coverage, A dozen universities contacted by Reuters, including the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, Rice University in Houston and institutions of higher learning in Hungary and Slovakia, did not immediately return messages seeking comment. I checked to see what the AP did, but all I could find that was recent was sports articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 04:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
  • Support I made my arguments last time in the section up the page, but ... Acroterion (talk) 01:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
My point made above is that there is no clear practice concerning popular names for educational institutions, and that there appears to be a sentiment here that "Foo Tech" is obvious common usage, but "Foo State" isn't. I'm not sure why we're drawing the distinction. Acroterion (talk) 02:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per Rreagan007. Estar8806 (talk) 02:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Oppose Georgia Tech is the common name and is used for academics as much as sports. Many university entries use abbreviated names (London School of Economics, Sciences Po, University at Buffalo, Virginia Tech, Stanford University). BojackSanchez12 (talk) 13:32, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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Good article criteria

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article was first promoted to GA status in 2007, and reassessed in 2009 but since then seems to have slipped. While the prose is fine, the main issue is missing citations. The traditions section has had a refimprove tag since 2010, but more are needed elsewhere. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Georgia Tech

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • Most recent review
Result: It has been more than a week, and the outlying issues still remain. Unfortunately, that means that we cannot, in good faith, continue to declare this to meet a standard that it no longer does. That being said, I will be boldly closing this discussion. Bneu2013 (talk) 18:49, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I am nominating this article for GA reassessment. It has been sixteen years since this was promoted, and a lot of issues have accumulated since then. The biggest is a lack of adequate citations, which would be an automatic fail in a GA nomination. There are two {{more citations needed}} tags, one of which has been there since 2010, and has somehow flown under the radar since then. Bneu2013 (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Overly detailed and lengthy "popular culture" section

Latest comment: 1 year ago3 comments2 people in discussion

An unregistered editor is insisting that this article include a very long and detailed listing of movies and television shows that have even a tenuous connection with the university. For example:

  • Deliverance (1972): Features a car with a Georgia Tech front license plate.
  • Contact (1997): Contains a reference to Georgia Tech in the dialogue.
  • The Blind Side (2009): Features a scene with a Georgia Tech notebook on a shelf, Tech basketball game in background of one scene.

Moreover, the opening sentence of the section includes promotion language that is not included in the cited source: "Due to Georgia Tech's large alumni base, strong traditions, and Georgia's prominent film industry, Georgia Tech has appeared in many works of popular culture..." (emphasis added).

Our advice for articles about colleges and universities has specific guidance for this kind of material: "If there are numerous reliable sources that discuss the institution's influence on popular culture then it may be appropriate to have a brief section describing that influence and offering well-known, pertinent examples. Such a section should not be an indiscriminate list of instances where the college or university is mentioned (in movies, books, television shows, etc.) nor should the section offer examples and discussion selected only by Wikipedia editors."

A few of these items may warrant inclusion. But many appear to be trivial and provide no useful information to readers about the university. The section should be dramatically reduced in size with only examples that are clearly connected with the university in substantive, meaningful ways. ElKevbo (talk) 01:10, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree with your reasoning. I think we should revert the edit in question. ElToAn123 (talk) 02:49, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
X markN Deleted I went ahead and completely deleted the Popular Culture section since the list violated WP:OR as you mentioned and neither of the sources in the leader of the section showed a significant influence on popular culture. They mentioned some of the school's appearances standing in as other places. ElToAn123 (talk) 18:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
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