Talk:Ficus coronata

Ficus watkinsiana

If the rough leaves of Australian fig species Ficus coronata have the texture of sandpaper, then what does ficus watkinsiana (Nipple Fig) have? GregManninLB (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Flora of the Northern Territory

A search on Ficus in NT flora shows that this species is not listed amongst the figs of the Northern Territory. In fact there are at least four records in the Northern Territory shown in the Occurrence data map for Ficus coronata and two in Western Australia. Each of these WA & NT records (with the exception of one) is characterised as a "Suspected outlier" by the Australasian Virtual Herbarium when the record is inspected.

As a consequence, I think the line "There is one record from the Northern Territory.[1]" should be deleted as it is not helpful in describing the distribution of this plant.MargaretRDonald (talk) 16:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC) However, Flora of Australia states that Ficus coronata is "Endemic in Australia; occurs widely in eastern Qld and N.S.W., rare in N.T. and far eastern Vic. Grows in a wide range of habitats." but does so on the basis of the same records which are detected outliers under the algorithm used by Australasian Virtual Herbarium. MargaretRDonald (talk) 17:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Neither FloraBase nor NT Flora list the species. VicFlora (Ficus coronata), and PlantNET (Ficus coronata list it as occurring in NT, but I suspect this may simply be repeating the "known" facts of Flora of Australia (and that the entries in NT Flora and in FloraBase may be more up-to-data than Flora of Australia).

Data taken from The Australasian Virtual Herbarium – Occurrence data for Ficus coronata (Some points)
Institution Code	Specimen Record	Collector	Date	Where	Outlier?
CANB	CANB 268023.1	D.H. Mackenzie	24/05/1969	WA, Wyndham, East Kimberley	(no outlier test?)
DNA	DNA D0158818	G.Wightman	13/06/2002	WA, Hall's Creek	Yes
MEL	MEL 2113934A	G.W. Carr	04/07/1974	NT, Ord River Plain	Yes
MEL	MEL 1581926A	M. Evans	01/03/1990	NT, Elsey Park	Yes
MEL	MEL 1581933A	J. Russell-Smith	04/07/1974	NT, Roper Gulf	Yes
DNA	DNA D0158382	J.Risler	13/06/2002	NT, Roper Gulf	Yes
AD	AD 95734019	W. Baldwin Spencer	21/07/1917	NT, Roper River	Yes
BRI	BRI AQ0008071	T. Done	27/06/1969	QLD, ~ 485 km north of Cooktown	(no outlier test?)
QRS	QRS 33782.1	G. Ruth	(no date)	QLD, Tablelands	(no outlier test?)
MEL	MEL 2030763A	J.E. Tonkin	29/08/1995	VIC, Melbourne, South Yarra	(no outlier test?) cultivated
NSW	NSW 656736	N.A. Wakefield	01/12/1950	VIC, Yarra Ranges	(no outlier test?)

For an explanation of the outlier detection method used by the Atlas of Living Australia, see Outlier Detection Method giving DETECTED_OUTLIER_JACKKNIFE.

(I have sent a query to AVH in the hope that some light may be shed on these anomalies,MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

These often end up being a different species with similar morphology that someone has classified as "cf coronata" or something. The taxonomy of sandpaper figs has not been looked at yet Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Indeed. Probably F. coronulata but after the excessively nasty brouhaha over Macrozamia riedlei, I felt I needed to discuss native range as shown by AVH data (as opposed to simply occurrence data). I also wanted to show that AVH data are far from the dodgy data described by another in that discussion. And this does need correction from botanists since I think there is a fair likelihood that the NT & WA occurrence data are not occurrence data for this species, a view supported by NT flora and FloraBase, but not flora of Australia (old and citing the Baldwin Spencer sample found to be an outlier), PlantNET and VicFlora (both far away). And all this work I think does mean that it is appropriate to delete the remark that "There is one record from the Northern Territory". MargaretRDonald (talk) 11:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC) The range map now shows the curation of the data by AVH. MargaretRDonald (talk) 11:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

And this talk page is essentially the reference for the range map, with each data point in the table providing a reference to the facts asserted by the map. MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Info moved from Ficus to Ficus aspera to here

I am beginning to believe that Ficus coronata was originally misidentified as F. aspera, at least in two books from Australia from the 1880s, based on a 1880s painting of "F. aspera in Australia" which looks little like F. aspera, but more like F. coronata (F. hirsuta from India is also similar). Thus moving this info here, do with it as thou whilst ... 86.83.56.115 (talk) 22:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

In 1889, F. aspera was recorded as having the common names rough-leaved fig, purple fig and white fig in Australia and that indigenous Australians of the Rockhampton region referred to them as noomaie and in Cleveland Bay (Queensland) balemo. It also states that the fruit which is black can be eaten, and was eaten by indigenous peoples.

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