Talk:Federalisation of the European Union

Merge?

This seems to have been unilaterally merged into United States of Europe by @Micga. Where was the consensus for this? Why did you essentially delete a whole article?

I would like to restore this article, but if there's some consensus I'm not aware about, or you have some argument that'll convince me against doing so, I'd like to hear about that first.first.

XA1dUXvugi (talk) 10:51, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

That merge should absolutely be undone pending discussion and consensus. I would certainly argue against it since the USoE is a hypothetical or fictional idea, whereas federalisation is a real direction of travel, with documented phases. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:31, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Now that I am using the desktop interface, I see that the merged version has been in place since November of last year. So at this stage, consensus is needed to "demerge" the article. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

No consensus was there to merge it in the first place. Had anyone seen it before now, I'm sure it would've been undone. I don't see what's wrong with undoing it now. If someone disagrees, they are free to revert that. XA1dUXvugi (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

i don't have time to look right now but does European integration meet the need? If so, should that be the target for the redirect? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:06, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't. European integration is an overview of the organisations in Europe - in particular the EU. It doesn't talk about what this article does/did talk about; the federalisation of the EU. XA1dUXvugi (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I have reverted it for now. If there is a consensus that the merge should actually take place, this can be reverted. I don't it think it should, as the article's own heading makes clear: this article is about the federalisation of the EU, not a hypothetical and wider European federation that doesn't exist. XA1dUXvugi (talk) 10:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I support XA1dUXvugi's reversion. "Federalisation of the EU" is a process, "United States of Europe" / "European Federation" are hypothetical end points. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

An additional piece of information to be considered, that sums up the motivation behind this revert very well: Talk:European integration#Merge with 'United States of Europe' and 'Federalisation of the European Union' articles. Tl;dr: European Federalism, European integration, and this article are all separate subjects. XA1dUXvugi (talk) 17:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo & Montenegro are not Eurozone members and should be removed from the Eurozone map

While they use EUR, only the 20 EU members are considered Eurozone members. Kosovo & Montenegro aren't part of eurozone and should therefore be removed from the map.Hexadecimal16 (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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