Talk:Exscientologykids.com

Hang on...

If I was logged on my computer, I would have declined this speedy deletion nomination. The multiple reliable-sources indicates significance, certainly enough to satisfy CSD expectations. I would suggest AfD if you want this deleted, as I would consider its deletion controversial and would contest a PROD. -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} 01:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, speedy removed.--Scott Mac 02:01, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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Mike Parker (April 6, 2008). "A wholly unorthodox attack on Scientology; Review - It's known for its power, secrecy and star converts such as Tom Cruise but L Ron Hubbard's religion is coming under attack from children of former members and a guerrilla taskforce, writes Mike Parker in Los Angeles". Sunday Express. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

is the most heavily cited currently, but it's difficult to even figure out what the citation is let alone how to verify it. Can anyone clear it up? — Scientizzle 21:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

It's an article written in the Sunday Express with a freakishly long headline. To quote from it:

Key among them is an internetbased "rescue organisation" called ExScientologyKids. com. It's jointly led by Jenna Miscavige Hill, a former church member and - presumably highly embarrassingly for its hierarchy - a niece of Scientology leader David Miscavige, a close friend of Cruise and his wife who was even a guest at his wedding in 2006.

Under the slogan, "We were born. We grew up. We escaped", the group offers a way out to disenchanted church members, who they claim often remain in the sect only through fear of reprisals should they leave.

Jenna and her team provides a network of "safe houses" from which escapees can plot their long-term relocation or be reunited with loved ones.

— Mike Parker, Sunday Express April 6, 2008 Sunday U.K. 1st Edition

There's a lot more in the article but I'm fairly sure it counts as a copyvio if I paste the whole thing. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 02:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I Googled several combinations of the info in the citation (e.g., "A wholly unorthodox attack on Scientology", for example) and this article was usually the only relevant hit. Today I see that this site has two scans of the article in question...With this we can at least repair the cite to:

Mike Parker (April 6, 2008). "A wholly unorthodox attack on Scientology". Sunday Express. p. 60-61. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

The subhead need not be included. I'm not sure if a link to the site's scans would be appropriate, however... — Scientizzle 22:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Should we talk more about the background?

Jenna Miscavige Hill writes in Beyond Belief on page 379-380 a summary of how she got involved with exscientologykids.com. If you don't have the book then you can see the relevant text at http://www.amazon.com/dp/0062248480 Click Look Inside and in the search box on the middle-left look for Kendra Wiseman. The data we are interested in is the last paragraph of page 379 and the first two paragraphs of page 380.

In summary. It appears it was Kendra Wiseman's idea and mentions that she was the daughter of the then president of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights. Kendra wanted to start a web site called exscientologykids.com and had already talked with Astra Woodcraft (described as "another prominent Church critic") The two women asked Jenna Miscavige Hill to come on board and Jenna instantly accepted. The next sentence has "When Kendra showed me the site and what she had put together, I found it both perfect and amazing." It's not clear from how it's worded if the site existed before Jenna joined or if that happened afterwards. The book goes on to say the site was launched on March 1, 2008 implying that Jenna became involved before the public launch.

FWIW, this article already has "2008" as the launch date. I don't know if it would help to add the month and/or day. Fwxnyp (talk) 07:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)