Talk:Emperor Tenmu/GA1

GA review

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Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 20:50, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 11:07, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Image review

• File:Emperor Tenmu.jpg: an identifiable reference to a reliable source and US PD tag are needed at Commons.
  • Added a US-PD tag. I think the Shūko Jisshu itself which it is sourced to works to a citation. It's not going to be an accurate scholarly portrait no matter what, but it is what some guy in the Edo period thought he looked like. -G
• File:Three barriers in Japan.png: the source is a dead link at Commons. Borsoka (talk) 11:16, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • It is up on archive.org, which looks to be reliable and reflect the locations of the gates shown in the map. The source imagery for the satellite photo is also included and is PD. -G

Source review

• Academic sources of high quality are cited.
• The cited sources should be listed in ABC order. Borsoka (talk) 11:16, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Oops, fixed the error there. - G
• References 3, 6, 16, 27 checked. Borsoka (talk) 06:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Comments

• I have not read the article or the lead, but my impression is that the lead should be shortened at least by 20%.
  • Done. -G
• My concern is that the article has recently been rewritten. I think we need to wait some weeks to allow other major editors to review the recent edits. Borsoka (talk) 11:16, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
• @Generalissima: your thoughts? Borsoka (talk) 03:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
  • @Borsoka: My apologies for the delay. It's been two weeks since the rewrite and no other editors have made more than routine formatting to the article, and no one's brought anything up on talk. To my understanding, the stability criterion is more about whether there is an active dispute over the article, rather than if the article has recently undergone major changes. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• Ōama's father Jomei... I would delete "Oama's father" (alternatively "Jomei").
  • Fixed. -G
• ...Jomei was able to become emperor... I would rephrase it.
  • Fixed. -G
• ...ascend to the throne, as... Why "to"? I would avoid "as".
  • Fixed. -G
• ...the precedent of Empress Suiko's reign... I think not her reign set the precedent, but her ascension.
  • Fixed. -G
• ...led an assassination on Iruka... Rephrase.
  • Fixed. -G
• ...Prince Naka and Prince Ōama... I would delete the titles.
  • Fixed. -G
• ...and formally enthroned... I think "and was formally enthroned".
  • Fixed. -G
• ...new regulations were promulgated... Some more info?
  • Rephrased; the regulations themselves aren't noted, what's important is that one of them was tasked with doing it. -G
• There are dublinks in the text.
  • Fixed these (though I kept them in the family list at the end for ease of use)
• ...the most powerful political appointments—while appointing a member of the imperial clan to the new post of Counselor (nagon), who served as his private secretary. Various other members of his immediate family received powerful political appointments:... Rephrase to avoid repetitions.
  • Fixed. -G
• In addition to the new capital near Asuka,... Delete "near Asuka".
  • Fixed. -G
• ...following his victory... Whose?
  • Clarified. -G
• Italicise "kami" consequently.
  • Fixed. -G
• ...Prelate's Office... Why not Prelates' Office?
  • Fixed. -G
• ...staffing it with prelates... I would avoid the term "prelates".
  • Fixed. -G
• His worsening state led to increased urgency. I would delete the sentence.
  • Fixed. -G
• Additionally, he adopted two of Tenji's sons, Prince Kawashima and Prince Shiki, that Tenmu adopted as his own. Rephrase.Borsoka (talk) 08:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Fixed. -G

@Borsoka: Got to everything! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:08, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

• (Lead) ..., the 40th such emperor according to the traditional order of succession I would delete (or alternatively rephrase it, because the present text suggests that he was the 40th emperor in the Asoka period).
• (Lead) ...raised an army against his nephew's rule Why not "against his nephew"?
• (Lead) ...Among the initiators of the Japanese imperial system,... I would delete it (especially, because it makes the sentence ambiguous).

• @Borsoka: I did the fixes for the lede. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:24, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

I will be away over the weekend, so I will not be able to start the source review before Monday. Borsoka (talk) 07:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Borsoka: Any updates on this? Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:20, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your latest edits. Thank you for complering this well researched and interesting GA. For technical reasons, I may need some time to formally pass the article. Borsoka (talk) 05:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)