Talk:Doina

IPA

The pronunciation in IPA is currently not correct. It is not j as "yes". It is just some kind of [i]. I don't know how to correct it, so I leave it as it is. MauriceM3 (talk) 09:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Bartok

Very bizarre article. It doesn't tell much about what Doina is, it just says it's influenced by Turkish or I don't know what. First of all, what Bartok wrote is not to be taken into account considering the date of that writing - after Trianon. It seems to me he was full of prejudices against the Romanian folklore. He was a Hungarian nonetheless and his chauvinism transpires in every word written in that book regarding Romanian folklore and Romanians in general. And all of this without any kind of evidence to sustain its offensive POV. How come if it's inspired by Turkish you cannot find anything like this in Turkish or in the folklore of nations that were clearly and massively influenced by Turkish folklore, like in the Balkans South of Danube. The spreading of Doina also supports the fact that this form of song has nothing to do with the Turks.

As for Garfias, he made some strange connections also, but while he may be wrong, we cannot suspect him of bad intentions. It is not scientific to study Romanian folklore only with the intention of finding Turkish influences. Still he doesn't make ridiculous statements like Bartok did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adr2ian (talk • contribs) 20:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact, Bartok praised the Romanian folklore. The problem is that some Romanians select from Bartok's writings only what they like - everything that contradicts their nationalistic pride is garbage. Bartok's statement was made after analyzing hundreds of songs and no musicologist thought he was biased. Just some Romanians didn't like him talking about the foreign influences and turned him into an anti-Romanian demon. The doina characteristics are presented in the article and they are common for the entire family of related genres. Kenshin (talk) 09:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 15 August 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. The nominator did not provide a satisfactory rationale. One participant offered some thoughts based on typical considerations but nothing to indicate that this proposal should be seriously considered. No prejudice against a repeat nomination with a clear rationale. Editors are reminded to tag all pages subject to the proposed moves following the instructions at WP:RMPM. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 18:00, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

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• Doina → Doina (music)
• Doina (disambiguation) → Doina

– I believe this is not the primary topic compared to the other uses listed in Doina (disambiguation). ~2026-44665-60 (talk) 07:14, 15 August 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Thanks! —1isall (talk | contribs) 08:23, 22 August 2026 (UTC)

Comment I have updated the move request to include "Doina (disambiguation) → Doina", which is assumed per the nominator's rationale. Steel1943 (talk) 16:52, 22 August 2026 (UTC)

Per WP:DPT, there's supposed to be rationale. Let's see if we can surmise one from the standard stats:

• WikiNav view of clickstreams here doesn't show much, the #1 identifiable outgoing destination is Doină cu noduri, and the hatnote destination isn't visible. It's possibly within the 49 filtered clickstreams, but probably <10. Not a particularly good argument for ambiguity, usually. Same view of clickstreams at the disambiguation list shows too little traffic to show the first graph, and 10 clickstreams total. Likewise not usually an indicator of a lot of ambiguity in usage.
• All-time mass views for all items linked here shows this article at the top averaging 32/day, with others far behind, at 7/day for the poem, 1/day etc. Still, one of the items is another list, for the given name, so we can check the all-time mass views for all items linked there. This is where we do see Doina Bumbea 67/day, Doina Cornea 21/day, Doina Ciobanu 13/day, Doina Melinte 12/day, and another four biographies (8, 5, 2, 2 per day, respectively). This does indicate a fair bit of ambiguity in usage.
• A Google Books search for doina shows me mostly results about music on the first two pages, though it's not particularly focused, because a lot of the results aren't in English-language books.

I suppose an argument could be made that all of these topics are pretty niche, and it's hard to compare the significance of any topic to the others in a way that is overwhelming to the average English reader. --Joy (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 22 September 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Please keep in mind that when considering a move, it is strongly advised to gather evidence that supports the proposal before making the request. As WP:RSPM notes, "Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines." Dekimasuよ! 10:46, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

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Doina → Doina (music) – There was no participation in the last discussion, so I am trying to ask again, as I believe there isn't a primary topic. ~2026-51131-82 (talk) 10:12, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose and speedy close The music genre gets more pageviews than everything else called this. It also "has been included in the UNESCO list of Intangible Cultural Heritage" so there is no doubt as to its longterm significance. You give no argument why it cannot be primary, so I suggest speedy close as the issue in the last nomination was not addressed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:11, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm The previous discussion received no input on this particular matter. Page views are not the only criterion to consider. Please stick to the topic and respect other users' views, allowing everyone an opportunity to express their opinion rather than arbitrarily proposing a premature closure. ~2026-51564-55 (talk) 22:00, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

  Literally the reason the previous discussion was closed was that there was zero justification for the nomination, this has been repeated over again. Simply saying "I believe there is no primary topic" is not sufficient. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:01, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm The previous discussion was closed because no consensus was reached due to a lack of participation, so I hope that more users will express their views this time. Everyone is free to share their opinion, but please do not hurry other editors and respect their views. Thank you. ~2026-51171-00 (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

• I oppose the move to Doina (music).

In my view, doina is not merely one of several unrelated uses of the word. It is the historical and primary term: the other uses are largely derivatives of, or named in reference to, the cultural significance of the doina as a musical genre.

The term also has exceptional cultural significance in Romanian and Moldovan culture, far beyond the comparatively narrow subjects listed on the disambiguation page.

I have worked extensively on this subject: I am the principal author of the Featured Article "Doina" on RU Wikipedia and of "Doina cu noduri" in EN/RU/UK Wikipedia. I am also considering translating the featured article into English. From this perspective, I consider the unqualified "Doina" to be the appropriate title for the musical genre. – Iurii.s (talk) 07:07, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

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