Talk:Dennis Whitty

No known birth date and place for D. W. ?

Why ? Is there no such registration in the UK or was he a foundling (of whom no one knew both data exactly). Somewhat awkward, for he was a person british or english bureaucracy obviously dealt with. --2001:A61:2B09:B901:8C4B:2EE8:D006:7242 (talk) 14:21, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge Russell Pascoe and Dennis Whitty into Murder of William Rowe for overlap. The alternative proposal, implying deletion of both, argues that that the murder is not notable, although perhaps the executions are - that had no support, but could still be discussed post-merge. Klbrain (talk) 14:05, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

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I think this article should be merged with Russell Pascoe into a new article Murder of William Rowe. The two articles are almost identical and focus entirely on the murder, which is clearly the notable thing here, not the two men, of whom the articles say virtually nothing. This would conform with Murder of John Alan West; the incident is notable, not the perpetrators as such. Jah77 (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I suggested in an edit summary 12 years ago that I would get around to doing exactly that, but it seems I never found the time. I totally support a merger in the manner described. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:14, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Is this even notable per WP:NEVENT? I would not think so. The claim to notability is not really the murder, more that they were executed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Easily meets WP:GNG, and was widely covered in the news at the time. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

It does not pass GNG because all of the sources are primary news reports. In lieu of that it must pass NEVENT. It does not seem to. Many things are covered in the news for some time which doesn't mean notability. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

The Mudd book isn't a primary news report. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

As you mentioned yourself, the case is notable because it led to some of the last executions in Britain, just like the Murder of John Alan West. The article(s) may have issues with sourcing, but I see no reason to question its notability. Jah77 (talk) 09:37, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

If the execution is what's notable then it should be an article on the executions, not the murder. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

The crime is notable because it led to the executions. See the example above. Jah77 (talk) 09:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

WP:NOTINHERITED. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Comments: This seems to have fallen through the cracks. Normally, I support "Murder of" articles. I do not condone a murderer having achieved a spot in a worldwide encyclopedia for a heinous crime. Reminds me of a famous (for many years) movie line by Cody Jarrett in the 1949 movie "White Heat": "Made it, Ma! Top of the world!", portrayed by James Cagney.

There is a plus to a merge. This article and Russell Pascoe are shockingly similar. Both seem to have made a mistake since 2008. This article, in the "Appeal and execution" section states (Not technically wrong): Only two more prisoners were subsequently executed in Britain, in August 1964: Peter Allen (hanged by Stewart at HMP Walton) and Gwynne Evans (simultaneously hanged by Allen at HMP Strangeways), for the Murder of John Alan West. The Russell Pascoe article is somewhat shorter with: Only two more prisoners would be subsequently executed in Britain, both in August 1964. The lead states "the third-last prisoner to be executed by hanging in a British prison. "Please note: the article is under "Murder of..."

William Brooke Joyce is considered a "penultimate person". Please note again: He was hanged in Wandsworth Prison by Albert Pierrepoint on 3 January 1946, making him the last person to be executed for treason in the United Kingdom. Under a technicality, "executed for treason in the United Kingdom" would be different. He was, however, hanged, which is still being executed and "hanged for a crime other than murder in the UK". Since we like "the last of"--historian A. J. P. Taylor stated: "Technically, Joyce was hanged for making a false statement when applying for a passport, the usual penalty for which is a small fine." Theodore Schurch (4 January 1946) was the "last person to be executed in Britain for an offence other than murder". He was hanged, guilty of treachery. --Otr500 (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

"I do not condone", we are not here to WP:RGW, we do not cover people because they are good, we cover them if they are notable. I resist any argument based on what we "should" cover. Us covering people is in fact a negative for many of them, it should not be viewed as a badge of honor because it is not. Viewing it as an "achievement" or any positive whatsoever is simply ridiculous. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:42, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

For Dennis Whitty,   Y Merge completed Klbrain (talk) 14:05, 4 October 2025 (UTC)