Talk:Democratic Progressive Party

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Anti-imperialism

DPP is not fully anti-imperialism. It just opposes the Chinese Imperialism and without criticism on other Imperialism. 2600:1016:B076:5BF0:BC97:7FF:FE33:6B02 (talk) 21:34, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

While many political parties and organizations in the Third World, including Houthis only criticize Israel and Western imperialism, they do not criticize PRC or Russian imperialism, there is an "anti-imperialism" link in the Houthis article's infobox. The imperialists who threaten Taiwan are the People's Republic of China, not the United States. ProgramT (talk) 07:12, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

Political position

@Anchluss: According to WP:RSUW, the DPP's political position is 'centre-left', never 'centre to centre-left'. Only WP:SYNTH is the example of a social liberal party in the US Democratic Party or Liberal Party of Canada on this issue; DPP is also considered a social democratic (even "socialist") political party (see Democratic Progressive Party#Ideology and policies). The Democratic Progressive Party article has long said that the political position of the infobox is 'centre-left', and I am completely opposed to changing it.

Comparing by referring to other social liberal political party articles is WP:SYNTH, and not all social liberal parties are standard 'centre to centre-left': Russia's Yabloko (political position: "centre-left") is seen as a more progressive, [culturally] left and anti-establishment than A Just Russia (political position: "centre to centre-left") . ProgramT (talk) 07:15, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

DPP is left-leaning than the "centre to center-left" parties such as the Hong Kong Democratic Party and the New Macau Association. Taiwan politics is more appropriate to compare with Hong Kong/Macao than the United States/Canada. ProgramT (talk) 07:14, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

Let's just start off by noting that you did not continue the conversation in YOUR talk page... which we had been talking until you decided to make a surprise change. 😅

As a Hong Konger, I would like to state that Taiwan's politics are DRASTICALLY different from Hong Kong pre-2020. The Democratic Party is a liberal party CENTERED on liberal democracy with market friendly but with more social safety nets compared to Hong Kong's capitalist government. Therefore, such a party with no experience of governing does not have a strict "liberal" standpoint within economical standpoints as opposed to the DPP, which has experience governing and aspired for a market-friendly approach with less of a welfare approach as compared to the Taiwan People's Party, which has also attacked the DPP for its comparably right-wing approach. There are multiple sources defining the DPP as "centre", as well as "centre-left". Therefore I do think it would be appropriate to label it as "Centre to centre-left", while keeping it's left-leaning nature intact. Anchluss (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

By the way the HK Democrats are also centre to centre-left as labelled... Anchluss (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

Because the political structures of Hong Kong and Taiwan are completely different, the direct comparison between the HK Democrats and the DPP is WP:SYNTH. If anything, Taiwan's politics should be compared to South Korea rather than Hong Kong, but the DPP is much more culturally progressive and national self-determination-oriented than the SK Democrats or the HK Democrats; the SK Democrats and the HK Democrats are far less viewed as "progressive" political parties than the DPP. However, comparing the political positions of Taiwanese political parties to those of other countries—such as Hong Kong, South Korea, and the United States—without relying on sources is, in itself, a violation of WP:SYNTH. What is certain is that there are overwhelmingly more sources describing the DPP as 'centre-left' than as 'centrist,' and that the DPP is also clearly referred to as 'left-wing' in numerous sources. It is completely irrelevant what position the DPP occupies in the political landscape of other countries. ProgramT (talk) 00:21, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

The fact that Jacobin, an American far-left media outlet, also referred to the DPP as a "centre-left", not "centrist," and regarded Jacobin as part of the "Taiwanese Left", is proof that the DPP is not internationally recognized as a "centrist". ProgramT (talk) 00:25, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree that cross-country comparisons without sources should not be used per WP:SYNTH, so I will set that aside. However, the main issue is that source quantity alone does not determine classification WP:WEIGHT. Many of the sources describing the DPP as “centre-left” or “left-wing” do so in a contextual or descriptive sense, rather than as a comparative ideological location assignment. Under WP:ATTRIBUTE, we cannot generalize these descriptions into a single definitive label if the sources themselves are not consistent in that usage. Additionally, citing outlets like Jacobin does not establish broad consensus, as per WP:RSUW, which requires weighting sources by reliability and relevance to the specific claim. The question is not whether some sources call the DPP centre-left, but whether there is good classification supporting that as the main label. Without that, “centre to centre-left” seems like the more neutral wording that conveys the range of reliable descriptions without overstating consensus per WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT. Anchluss (talk) 04:30, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

I disagree that descriptions of the DPP as "centre-left" are merely contextual. Per WP:WEIGHT, we must represent views in proportion to their prominence in reliable sources. Since there are reliable sources describing the DPP as "left-wing", and there are far fewer reliable sources describing it as "centrist" than those describing it as "centre-left", the infobox should only list "Centre-left", not "Centre to centre-left", even when following Wikipedia:ATTRIBUTE. ProgramT (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

WP:WEIGHT is not about counting how many times a label appears, but about how sources use that label and in what context. Many sources referring to the DPP as “centre-left” or “left-wing” are just relative, not ACTUAL classifications of their overall political position. According to WP:ATTRIBUTE and WP:SYNTH, we can't like generalize all these usages into a single label unless the sources consistently do so in a comparative sense. Also, the lack of many sources explicitly using the word “centrist” (which yeah, isn't my first go-to word for describing the DPP either but still technically accurate overall economically) doesn't mean the party cannot fall within that range, especially for liberal, market-oriented parties, which are often broadly placed between centre and centre-left in comparative literature AND in past versions... So like, the label “centre to centre-left” reflects the weight and avoids overstating consensus per WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT, and using only “centre-left” presents an overly uniform classification than the sources clearly support. Anchluss (talk) 06:06, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

Your argument is WP:SYNTH only; that left-liberal parties are often "centre to centre-left" cannot be the basis for the DPP's political position to be "centre to centre-left". There is no basis that describing DPP as "centre-left" or "left-wing" from numerous sources is not ACTUAL classifications, as DPP is "progressive" even if it is liberal and market-oriented; progressivism (whether market-oriented or not) is a left-wing ideology. ProgramT (talk) 06:28, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

I’m pointing out that we cannot treat all uses of “centre-left” or “left-wing” as a overall classification without examining how sources apply those terms WP:ATTRIBUTE. Simply saying that progressivism is left-wing inherently is a generalization that isn't grounded in how sources classify this specific party, and using that logic to fix the DPP’s position might be editorial synthesis WP:SYNTH. Per WP:WEIGHT, the issue is not just that “centre-left” appears more often, but whether sources explicitly classify the DPP’s overall position that way, rather than just using it descriptively. Without clear classification, “centre to centre-left” seems more fitting without overstating consensus WP:NPOV. Anchluss (talk) 08:21, 4 April 2026 (UTC)

As of the 2020s, DPP is never mentioned as centrist in WP:RS. What I can agree on is to write "Centre-left" but write in footnotes that it was described as "Centrist" during the reign of Chen Shui-bian.

Usually, when there is no agreement on the political position of a particular political party article, the political position is removed from the infobox because it is an implicit practice to remove the political position from the infobox (a similar example is the American Communist Party (2024)). ProgramT (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

The case of the American Communist Party has much more contrasting positions (from the far right to the far left). Here it would be enough to follow the example of the Free Democratic Party ("center-right" position, and it's cited in the Ideology section that it has been described as "centrist", "center-right" and "right-wing"). There are other similar cases with Renaissance and New Democracy ToxinDemon (talk) 13:22, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

The issue is whether the political stance in the DPP article’s infobox should be listed as "Centre-left" or "Centre to centre-left"; according to your view, it should be listed as "Centre-left", and I agree, but some users continue to insist on "Centre to centre-left" and arbitrarily change the political stance in the infobox. ProgramT (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

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