Talk:Deathconsciousness

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The result of this discussion was not to merge . DMT biscuit (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

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@Derek R Bullamore and IntoThinAir: I propose to merge Deathconsciousness into Have A Nice Life. I don't believe there is enough significant coverage to warrant an article of it's own; it is almost always mentioned when discussing their later work, not on its own. The Have A Nice Life article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Deathconsciousness will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. DMT biscuit (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Skeptical about merging

I think you're right that both articles are scant, but I'd say that keeping them separate serves purpose of clarity, really. Deathconsciousness is specifically in the category of albums, and Have A Nice Life are specifically an artist, so unless we've got a way of presenting information on the other albums in the one page of the band, I think it would be messy to combine them. Tell me if I'm being a control freak over this. LordBumder (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this sentiment. Deathconsciousness is the most significant of the Have a Nice Life albums and should remain distinct from the rest of the article. Despite both articles being relatively short, combining the Deathconsciousness one with the Have a Nice Life would prove to be difficult due to the sudden change in subject without losing a significant amount of information in the cross-over. I think leaving the pages as is works just fine. DontAskMeAboutThis (talk) 01:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Thirding these sentiments. As scant as the Have A Nice Life article may be, having the comparatively detailed coverage of Deathconsciousness just be inserted into that article would make it substantially worse. At minimum, Deathconsciousness should retain its independence as an article. At most, I could see an argument for deleting the Have A Nice Life article for how bare it is, but even that I think is totally unnecessary and not desirable. Dfsghjkgfhdg (talk) 10:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

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Correct album cover?

Album cover #1 that we have here is different from every other source I could find on the internet. I understand that policy is (paraphrasing) that low quality copies of album an album cover constitutes fair use, but this cover seems… incorrect. There is no text on the top portion, and the cropping and coloring of the rest is totally off from how it looks everywhere else on the internet.

For comparison, the album art on their next album is essentially how it appears elsewhere but granier.

I propose that we take a file of the cover art from a more updated and reputable source and make it grainy so it is fair use. (I don’t quite know how)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Have_a_nice_life_deathconsciousness.jpg#mw-jump-to-license https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unnatural_World

How it should look: https://theflenser.bandcamp.com/album/deathconsciousness

Ultimatescapegoat (talk) 07:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Band member roles

Is there any way at all to determine which member played what on this album? I can't seem to find a source but I wonder if its found inside an actual copy of the record .. Lil Sad Lil Happy (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Deathconsciousness/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Cathodography (talk · contribs) 05:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Zmbro (talk · contribs) 19:14, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm bored and don't want to play video games, let's do this. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 19:14, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Comments

• Copyvio detector is sitting at 41.2%, although this is strictly because of the quote box in musical style. Unless you think the quote could be shortened slightly, I personally don't see an issue.
• Add a year to the painting in the lead (and in the body)
  • Done
• often marked by a confrontational tone What does this mean exactly? Like being hostile towards audience members?
  • Yeah, to make the audience "uncomfortable".
• Perhaps change the "recording" heading to "recording and packaging" since that's more appropriate, or separate the third paragraph into its own section.
  • Done. I also put the second paragraph of Release to the section.
• Rate Your Music is technically not supposed to be used (it's highlighted dark red for me). However, given that in this case it's being used as an interview with the artist themselves, we may be ok, but I think I might reach out to another forum to verify for sure.
• I similarly question if Screen Point Blank is considered reliable, but since it's an interview with the artist it might be ok...
  • Both sources apply to WP:ABOUTSELF. Since they're both interviews, I am strictly using the artists' own words. Good articles like To See the Next Part of the Dream have used RYM's interview series. Cattos^💭 19:56, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

  • Appreciate the response, thanks! – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 20:10, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• Its tone was described by Paste as "apocalyptic" attribute the author here since you do so elsewhere
  • Done
• Songs were typically initiated by Barrett, who composed acoustic or quieter core ideas and handled the album's production and engineering With this, could we get away with putting Barrett as the producer in the infobox?
  • Sure. That part might actually belong in the Recording section.
• I looked at Discogs to see if there were any liner notes or anything like that. The right inner panel of the 2024 repressing has:

• ""Deathconsciousness was recorded in a five year period stretching from late 2002 to late 2007.
  All songs on The Plow That Broke The Plains and The Future written by Dan and Tim.
  Have A Nice Life, has, at separate times during this recording, included Thao, Brian, Will and Cody.
• Continuing: All songs were recorded with the following: a Computer, Logic, a Digitech GNX4 (for USB interface), a MIDI controller, an old toy piano that Tim found, a shitty keyboard from the 80's, a guitar, a bass
• Would all of this qualify as "personnel"? These liner notes could be used to source some things, such as the actual recording period to have in the infobox.

• I'm not sure on how I would format that personnel. The 2002-2007 recording period part was in the article, but I couldn't find any sources about citing the years, so I'll have to thank you for that one!

• I know it's not FAC, but have you thought about adding an audio sample to demonstrate the soundscapes? It's not required, just a thought
  • I actually was trying to think of a song to sample since about half of the songs could imo, but I completely forgot lol. I'll add one
• I really hate to say, since it's sourced so much but ref 8 I don't see standing as a reliable source. The author appears to be a student and the source itself is "the Jesuit Dallas Student Voice and Newspaper since 1942". I doubt we can use student reviews. It will probably cut a lot of content but I suggest removing it.
  • Aw man, I thought student media were reliable per WP:RSSM. When I was researching for this album, there weren't too many "professional sources" that review the album like Pitchfork or Popmatters that were available. Are you sure about this? Cattos^💭 21:22, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• If you want to reach out to one of the reliable sources noticeboards, I would say do it. But based on the text at WP:RSSM, student newspapers should really only be used for student-related activities and school information, and not much more than that. I know there aren't too many professional sources about the album but I can tell you that even without the student source it would still be a pass. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 21:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

  I removed the student source. Cattos^💭 22:18, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• Deathconsciousness was released on January 24, 2008, under the label Enemies List Home Recordings; it is Have a Nice Life's debut studio album. I don't think the debut part is necessary
  • Removed
• add the year of House of Leaves
  • Done

I'll stop for now. Once the above is resolved and things are reworked with that one source removed I'll take another look. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 20:19, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

• With the student source removed, ref 5 has a bit on the opening track that could be added: The album opens with an eight-minute, dreamy ambient monster, which in its almost mystical grandeur does not suggest where the journey could lead in the further course, but already the first attack of the bass on "Bloodhail" literally sucks the life energy out of your fingers and paints the sky black.
  • Added. The Ondarock source I found yesterday probably has more content that could be added.
• Also, you'll need to reword this sentence: Thematically, it explores emotional numbness, mechanization of identity, and moral disengagement, referencing Warhammer 40,000 as a metaphor for dehumanization and detachment. Without the student source a lot of it is now WP:OR
  • Done
• Not required but per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, the album title should be italicized in the source titles
• I was unsure about the reliability of Metal Storm but per their about page they have an editor-in-chief and the reviewer has been on staff since 2002. So I think it's ok...
  • Metal Storm is listed as reliable in WP:RSMUSIC if the reviewer has a staff tag, like Sputnikmusic.
• For the week ending in April 18, 2024, "For the week ending April 18, 2024,"?
  • Done
• What year did that Lil Peep song "Shiver" come out? He died in 2017
  • 2016.

Last few things:

• Were you still considering adding an audio sample? If not, it's no biggie.
  • Done
• Per MOS:SECTIONORDER, I would move the packaging section below musical style
  • Done
• Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, I would italicize the album title throughout the references
  • Done
• There's a few references missing archives. Yesterday, I was struggling to get the archive bot to work. Could you try and see if it works for you?
  • I just tried and didn't work. It always happens to me when I try to use the bot. Cattos^💭 23:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
• As of 2019, the album had been re-issued seven times.[23] Based on Discogs and the fact that we now source the 2024 repressing, could we try to find a source to help update this sentence? If not it is what it is.
  • It's unlikely that there's an update source for this.
• was sampled by producer John Mello WP:FALSETITLE (you have them in other spots)
  • Done
• drawing on references to The Terminator and Warhammer 40,000 to explore can we add years here?
  • Done

Once these are resolved, we should be good to go. I'll have to give this record a listen, it was a very interesting read! I've tended to stick with mainstream stuff so reviewing this and that Duster record was really fun! Great work! – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 19:30, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Looks good. Happy to  Pass – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 14:34, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

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Telefony vs Telephony

I made an edit to replace “Telephony” with “Telefony”; cc @Cathodography. This is because the Bandcamp page as well as the booklet that accompanies the album both spell it “Telefony”. Genius, YouTube, Spotify, AOTY and Apple Music all spell it with a ph, though rateyourmusic uses f. I would consider the book and the Bandcamp the authoritative source by default, since they seem to be more directly controlled by the band. I guess one could argue the f is a typo, since it’s not a real word, but I it’s hard to say whether it’s a stylistic choice or not. Kestrer (talk) 05:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Album cover

cc: @Cathodography:, since you nom'd the GA (which nice job on that) and thought this was relevant somewhat for your input. The selected cover on this page is the reissued 2014 cover. It's not the original cover, the original release technically just has the "disc" titles in a portrait format, see here: https://www.discogs.com/release/1308408-Have-A-Nice-Life-Deathconsciousness. Not sure how you want to approach it but I imagine the version should be specified somewhere in the caption or changed or whatever. 49p (talk) 23:16, 20 September 2025 (UTC)