Talk:D major

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Do you have a source on the Rimsky-Korsakov/Scriabin conversation? I know both of them assigned colors to keys, but Scriabin didn't write any operas, so I suspect the names might be backwards. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 19:19, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think that the opera referred to here is The Golden Cockrel by Rimsky-Korsakov, and that "used an example from the latter composer's own operas" is what is meant. But I'm going to have to doublecheck this, though.

That's probably the right opera. I heard this tidbit on one of those quizzes from the Texaco Metropolitan Opera broadcasts. I should've double-checked it before putting it in. Anton Mravcek 21:24, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Scriabin considered D major to be golden in color and, in a discussion with Rimsky-Korsakov, he gave an example from one of his own operas where a character sang in D major about gold."

I've changed "his" to "Rimsky-Korsakov's". With "his", it is probably referring grammatically to Scriabin, and this is incorrect, since Scriabin wrote no operas. I don't know whether any Rimsky-Korsakov opera does in fact have a passage where a character sings in D major about gold; but I assume the writer must have meant this, since it can't be Scriabin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M.J.E. (talk • contribs) 08:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC) M.J.E. (talk) 08:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Could it be helpful to include an explanation of the term ″dur,″ which is sometimes still used in classical music titles, e.g., Concerto per Corno di caccia, D-Dur, composed by Georg Phillip Telemann? Dur is a word meaning ″major.″ . A brief search on Google made it seem common for ″major″ to be substituted in place of dur in similar titles. The fact that dur is a word in a foreign language title may be a reason for not discussing it in this article, since it might create the need for every non-English word in music titles that means ″major″ to be included. DZAuthor (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Mozart's "Unnumbered" Symphonies

I stand corrected. We normally talk about 41 Mozart symphonies, but there are probably 61 by my count (see Köchel-Verzeichnis). Numbers 42-55 have been allocated (out of historical sequence), but there are still 6 others that remain unnumbered (K.19a, 16a, 45a, 66c, 66d and 66e; K.207a and 213c are symphonic movements, not full symphonies).

Keyboard Fingering

It would be a good idea to add the standard keyboard fingering for a two-octave D major scale. Some quibbles with the K numbers shown in the article at the moment:

• K.73 is "Number 44"
• K.73n is "Number 45"
• K.141a is "Number 50"
• K.111a is a finale only
• agree with K.66c. JackofOz 00:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Songs

Don't continue to delete songs from the lists that should be there! It's not like they break any rules!

I deleted "Money" because it's a really, really poor example. The D Major chord never appears. The only chords are Bm7, Em7, and F#m7. I don't know if that means it's in B minor, or if there has to be a recurring A# (typically in an F#7 chord) for it to be in B minor. But a non-musician who reads that and imagines the song is not going to get a clear idea of what D Major is. Great song, but a terrible example.

--63.25.118.201 (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course, I did replace it with another Pink Floyd song. "Run Like Hell" is strictly diatonic in D Major during the main riff (which I imagine is pretty well known), though the verses tend towards E minor.

--63.25.118.201 (talk) 18:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

"The D Major chord never appears. The only chords are Bm7, Em7, and F#m7. I don't know if that means it's in B minor, or if there has to be a recurring A# (typically in an F#7 chord) for it to be in B minor."

I don't know the song; but it probably means it's in the Aeolian mode on B - so it's not a good example of either a major or minor key. Yes, B minor does require the occasional F#7 chord (containing A#) if it's not to have a modal feel to it.

But it would probably be a waste of time putting it as an example in "Aeolian mode", since there seem to be users who regularly patrol mode and key articles, removing song examples. The grounds (which I think dubious at the least) are that it is "original research" to determine the key of a piece. (In most ordinary cases, I think the key is pretty obvious to anyone who can read music, and examining a score to determine the key is simply consulting an authoritative source to state a plain and verifiable fact.) M.J.E. (talk) 08:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I Can See Clearly Now

I think it makes sense to include songs based on the major scale only, not the Mixolydian mode. For the phrase:

It's gonna be a bright, bright, sunshiny day, the first "bright" is a C♮, putting the song in the Mixolydian mode. Anything wrong with this?? Georgia guy 14:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that diatonic songs are ideal. I just added the well-known single by The Cars, "You Might Think", which is very diatonic. (The Cars had a ton of songs in D or B minor.)

--63.25.118.201 (talk) 18:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The comment on dropped D tuning allowing two opens on the D major scale...

This is only correct if it is in the Great octave, the typical D major is in the small octave. In Helmholtz, this would mean that if you used the dropped D tuning, then it'd be D-d, but the standard D major is d-d', and in Scientific, it would mean D2-D3 if you used the dropped D in the scale and D3-D4 if you used the standard D major. Refer to the article on D and check the chart to see what I mean. I think that should be noted somewhere in the article, but I'm just double checking to make sure everyone is okay with it. - J-Whitt (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sources for Songs

Add these songs to the list if you can find sources for them:

Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic - The Police I Can Dream About You - Dan Hartman I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That) - Meat Loaf Iris - Goo Goo Dolls Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglas Tubthumping - Chumbawamba 24.158.8.234 (talk) 18:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Modern song wtf?

Somebody took away every single modern song from all the key pages. That's stupid. I liked them being on there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.51.192 (talk) 10:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

"C-double-sharp major" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect C-double-sharp major. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 31#C-double-sharp major until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

"E-double-flat major" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect E-double-flat major. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 31#E-double-flat major until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Add Audio Example

I noticed that this article doesn't have an audio file example of D major attached anywhere. If somebody could, please attach an example similar to the example seen in the article for C Major (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_major) (Notice how you can play the audio right from the article?) I imagine it would be preferable if all the scale pages were consistent in terms of being able to hear each one NumbMinded (talk) 07:24, 23 September 2021 (UTC)