Talk:DFW
Add topicLatest comment: 7 months ago by Jeffrey34555 in topic Requested move 6 December 2025
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[edit]Not sure what the problem with "refers to" is, but in this list it is the simplest accurate intro. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Requested move 6 December 2025
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 15:38, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
– These should go to Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex and Oklahoma City respectively. Overwhelmingly the most significant uses of the acronym for is for the major American cities, similarly to existing acronym redirects NYC, LA, and NOLA. These two acronyms are relatively uncommon except when used for the cities, which blow out all the other options in terms of long-term significance. Ladtrack (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The same move proposed for OKC previously failed to gain consensus; see Talk:OKC#Requested move 22 February 2016. older ≠ wiser 12:20, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to oppose both. Wikinav does not support either proposal. For Oct 2025, OKC shows more readers looking for the Oklahoma City Thunder article than for the city/metro itself. Sept showed a small majority for the city, but not overwhelming. For DFW, both months show Dallas Fort Worth International Airport getting significantly more outgoing traffic from the disambiguation than Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex. older ≠ wiser 12:29, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- These have to be secondary meanings. Sports teams and airports shouldn't be able to contest the city's claim to the primary topic. Any and all significance is derived directly from the city they are in, and they wouldn't be using the acronym if they weren't a part of the city. Also, I would think that the cities should easily beat a basketball team from 2008 and an airport from 1974 in long-term significance. This is basically the same reason why Liverpool is about the city and not the football team that gets consistently higher pageviews. Ladtrack (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- That's not what a WP:primary topic is. The main reason to have a primary topic is when a significant majority of readers looking for a name will expect to find a specific topic. It is not what first comes to mind and it is not a matter of derivation. older ≠ wiser 17:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, yes, partially. The other criterion, which you haven't addressed and which is the more relevant criterion here, is long-term significance. But even by this metric, it should probably be the cities.
when a significant majority of readers looking for a name will expect to find a specific topic
If a reasonable person were to look up OKC, they should expect to find Oklahoma City, because that is the city that the Oklahoma City Thunder are in. The OKC in OKC Thunder is, quite literally, Oklahoma City. Any other outcome would be astonishing. The same is true of DFW Airport. Again, this is how literally every city handles all associated sports teams and airports. We would never consider pushing any other cities off the primary topic just because they have airports or sports teams. I don't see why the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex or Oklahoma City should be any different. Ladtrack (talk) 18:38, 6 December 2025 (UTC)- Wikidata suggests that most people looking for these three-letter acronyms are not looking for either the city/metro area. Particularly with three-letter acronyms, we shouldn't try to force readers to conform to with whatever we might think. older ≠ wiser 19:02, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, yes, partially. The other criterion, which you haven't addressed and which is the more relevant criterion here, is long-term significance. But even by this metric, it should probably be the cities.
- That's not what a WP:primary topic is. The main reason to have a primary topic is when a significant majority of readers looking for a name will expect to find a specific topic. It is not what first comes to mind and it is not a matter of derivation. older ≠ wiser 17:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- These have to be secondary meanings. Sports teams and airports shouldn't be able to contest the city's claim to the primary topic. Any and all significance is derived directly from the city they are in, and they wouldn't be using the acronym if they weren't a part of the city. Also, I would think that the cities should easily beat a basketball team from 2008 and an airport from 1974 in long-term significance. This is basically the same reason why Liverpool is about the city and not the football team that gets consistently higher pageviews. Ladtrack (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose the DFW move. DFW is ambiguous. For many weary travelers, it is an airport, not a metroplex. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. No primary redirects. Abbreviations very rarely have one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- Primary redirects have to be judged based on what else they're ambiguous with. In your opinion, what in the disambiguation pages rivals the importance of a metro area with a population of over 7.5 million and the capital of Oklahoma? Ladtrack (talk) 17:07, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- Its size is irrelevant. What matters is whether people are overwhelmingly going to associate the abbreviation with it. In the area, maybe (although the evidence even for that seems to be lacking). Elsewhere, especially outside the USA, not so much. Remember that this is not American Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:58, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, if I'm being biased to Americans, could you please let me know what exactly in these two disambiguation pages is so important to non-Americans that it outweighs two major American cities? Because, honestly, I didn't see anything that was of particular interest to anyone outside of the US, but hey, I'm an American, so perhaps I've got cultural blinders on, and you'll be able to tell better than me. Is it perhaps this German aircraft manufacturer that shut down in 1919, or maybe this American dating company is incredibly popular outside of the US and is thus more globally important than a major city. Ladtrack (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- You're obviously not understanding (a) what a primary redirect is or (b) what I'm saying or (c) that other Americans are saying that DFW is more commonly applied to the airport in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
...could you please let me know what exactly in these two disambiguation pages is so important to non-Americans that it outweighs two major American cities?
Perhaps the third busiest airport in the world, which serves as a major hub for American Airlines, the largest airline in the world, which in turn makes the airport a major arrival and departure point for international travelers on various airlines in the Oneworld network who have AA connecting flights? Carguychris (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, if I'm being biased to Americans, could you please let me know what exactly in these two disambiguation pages is so important to non-Americans that it outweighs two major American cities? Because, honestly, I didn't see anything that was of particular interest to anyone outside of the US, but hey, I'm an American, so perhaps I've got cultural blinders on, and you'll be able to tell better than me. Is it perhaps this German aircraft manufacturer that shut down in 1919, or maybe this American dating company is incredibly popular outside of the US and is thus more globally important than a major city. Ladtrack (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- Its size is irrelevant. What matters is whether people are overwhelmingly going to associate the abbreviation with it. In the area, maybe (although the evidence even for that seems to be lacking). Elsewhere, especially outside the USA, not so much. Remember that this is not American Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:58, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- Primary redirects have to be judged based on what else they're ambiguous with. In your opinion, what in the disambiguation pages rivals the importance of a metro area with a population of over 7.5 million and the capital of Oklahoma? Ladtrack (talk) 17:07, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose the DFW move per BarrelProof. I've lived in Texas for most of my life, and to a great many Texans, DFW is an airport. It's more common for residents of smaller towns in the region to describe their hometown by its proximity to a larger city than by saying it's "in DFW". Carguychris (talk) 01:58, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.