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Latest comment: 8 days ago by FaviFake in topic Compact closed vs. Rigid

trace

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The definition here is not the usual definition of trace. Trace of f:A --> A should be a morphism I to I, where I is the unit for the monoidal structure. Think in Vect, where Vect(k,k) \cong k. Then tr(f) = e_A c (f # 1) n_A, where n and e are the coevaluation and evaluation maps, c is the braiding or symmetry, and "#" is the tensor product. This gives the usual notion of trace.

For traces in categories that are not compact, you need a pivotal structure.

Also, adjoint are of course only defined for morphisms. In order to say that an object is a left adjoint, you need to mention that you are looking at a monoidal category as a one-object bicategory. There is obviously no need for that, because you can define a left dual as you do.

Should say, adjoints are defined for functors, so if you want to say A^* is the left adjoint for A then it is better to say A^* \otimes - is the left adjoint of A \otimes -. Or indeed, explain the one object bicategory version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.132.115 (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Compact closed vs. Rigid

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As someone pointed out on the rigid category page, these two articles may be referring to the same thing. It seems to me that they are, and they should be merged.

I see two small differences:

  • the condition that the monoidal category be symmetric in the compact closed article.
  • the definition of a dual is different: for the rigid article, a dual is merely the internal hom [X, 1], whereas in the compact closed article, a dual also includes the morphisms to the tensor product.

A closer look at references should help. Perhaps there are two conventions current for the definition of a dual, in which case they both need to be acknowledged.

Unique to the rigid article:

  • an alternative definition of a dual
  • Citation of the source of the definition of rigidity
  • Note that internal hom's exist in a rigid category

Unique to the compact category article:

  • Citation of original(?) source of definition of compact closed
  • Motivation for definition
  • Examples

There are also a few unique comments in both. The rest needs to be merged. Expz (talk) 13:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

The rigid article now has a section stating this: I quote:
Alternative Terminology A monoidal category where every object has a left (resp. right) dual is also sometimes called a left (resp. right) autonomous category. A monoidal category where every object has both a left and a right dual is sometimes called an autonomous category. An autonomous category that is also symmetric is called a compact closed category.
So, no merge. linas (talk) 02:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)Reply
I left a {{Duplication}} tag on the article. Defining "non-symmetric compact closed categories" seems to duplicate the article on a Rigid category. The original reference the article was based on defines ccompact closed categories to be symmetric, and so does the nLab. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:16, 16 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
The non-symmetric definition apparently includes being bi-closed, so is apparently more general than rigidity. However, I'm struggling to find a source for this that isn't just a scrape of this article. At the very least, this does not appear to be a well-recognised definition. If it's kept at all, the sections should be renamed so that the definition for the symmetric case is clearly the main one. Edit: The definition for the non-symmetric case is clearly just rigidity, apologies. As for the claim about it being both rigid and (bi)closed; it appears (see https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.03545v2) that the former implies the latter. The most appropriate thing here is probably just to note that some sources (especially comp linguists) use "non-symmetric compact closed" to mean "rigid" and link to the article on rigid categories. Adkbeckett (talk) 11:25, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've found and added a source for the non-symmetric definition. This appears to be mainly in use in computational linguistics. I also renamed the sections as I suggested. Adkbeckett (talk) 12:54, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm now slightly skeptical of this claim that non-symmetric compact closed, as defined here, is stronger than rigidity. The claim that compact closed = rigity + biclosed is not found in the source for the definition. It appears that the linguists' interest in the non-symmetric case is allowing for left- and right-duals/adjoints which are not necessarily isomorphic - is this allowed in rigid categories? Adkbeckett (talk) 13:01, 18 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@FaviFake, the duplication banner was only referring to parts of the article. Your edit does not look helpful to me; I would suggest leaving this to someone who knows how to organise the content between the articles. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:09, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
 Done, hopefully you'll find a solution. I did not notice this discussion after seeing the article pop up on the backlog. FaviFake (talk) 00:13, 26 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Unit introductions seems reversed

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"where ρ, λ are the introduction of the unit on the left and right, respectively, and is the associator"

This seems backwards, its the inverses of ρ, λ that to the introductions, in other sources, and to cause the equations to make sense. Not being a mathematician myself, I'll leave this as a comment rather than edit the article now, better if an actual mathematician does that. AveryDAndrews (talk) 22:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply