Talk:Clearview AI

Johnson and new source

Moving a comment here from the GA review -- FeralOink, when a GA review is completed it's best to add comments to the article talk page rather than the review, since the review may be archived and hence not immediately visible to editors looking at the article talk page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to clarify one point and also bring attention to an important new source that Czarking0 added less than a month ago. First, I agree that it was not appropriate to describe Charles Johnson as a troll here. Mike Christie, you were correct! Do note though that the reason we need to mention Johnson is that he was a co-founder and partial owner NOT a customer. Mike had written above: "...but why do we need to even mention Johnson as a customer? What does it tell us about Clearview? Is there some evidence of collusion or political leanings on Clearview's side, that they gave him an account?"

Mike's points are still valid, about not placing undue emphasis on Johnson, merely a passing mention, which is exactly what the article currently has. Here's why: Johnson v. Clearview AI, Inc. dated May 20, 2024. That's the source recently added by CzarKing1. See pages one through three. It states there that the company was founded in Feb 2017. On 24 Nov 2018, Ton-That and Richard Schwartz removed Johnson from the company, although Johnson retained 10% ownership but no longer had any role in running it. This new source, about the outcome of the lawsuit as documented in the Justia link, provides additional information for someone to add to the article in the section about legal matters. To summarize, Johnson sued the other two because he said they agreed to give him money for marketing after he left in 2018, and that he didn't get as much as he expected. Three out of the four counts by Johnson against the two Clearview guys were dismissed by the court. (Clearview isn't trying to get the first count dismissed.) I'm not sure if this is the right place for these remarks, so you can move them (or I will, if you prefer) to a new section if that is better.--FeralOink (talk) 11:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey Feral, I glad you brought extra attention to this. I had not added the Johnson v Clearview lawsuit to the legal cases section because I did not see sources that indicate that suit's notability. In fact there are several law suits that Clearview was involved in which are not mentioned. This is because I did not think it was justified for this company profile to dig through the court fillings themselves unless another source showed that the info in the court filings was notable and there were factual matters to verify in the fillings.

I did reference this suit in the history ownership section since the owners of the company and how it was founded are demonstrably notable via other sources and that suit seemed like the best source to verify Johnson's ownership. If you think more should be said about Johnson let me know and I am happy to dig into it more. Czarking0 (talk) 20:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)