Talk:Chess pie

I can't believe there's no reference to Lemon Chess Pie on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.38.107 (talk) 04:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Origin

@User:Sharnadd Can you explain why you changed it back to UK? The only link in the sources provided is the name possibly comes from the UK. In fact, the Oxford Companion to Sugar and Sweets says "The name of and the form of the latter (chess pie) most likely derived from the seventeenth century English "cheesecakes" made without cheese, but having a similar texture and consistency". There is no definitive source to state it comes from England that I can find - and I can provide numerous sources that call it American - including the same book which it says is a regional variation that has "special status in the United States". Davidstewartharvey (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

uk sure the entomology of the past showed it as of English origin than hen developed into what it is today Sharnadd (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't say it was English origin. In fact this blogger has done the history and it shows that the earliest printed recipe called Chess pie is American. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 05:19, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

As you have failed to respond I have asked for a third opinion at wp:3o. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 08:45, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

3O Response: Declining for now. A prerequisite for requesting a third opinion is that the issue must have been thoroughly discussed; one response from the editor with whom you are in dispute does not constitute a thorough discussion. You are welcome to re-file if/when the two of you have discussed the matter more thoroughly and failed to reach a consensus, or to pursue other forms of dispute resolution. DonIago (talk) 14:27, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

Hi David, Sweet Invention (p. 316) may be the source you are after: "the recipe [for pecan pie] originates with British "transparent pudding," a custard made with sugar, melted butter, and eggs and baked in a crust. In the United States, this was renamed chess pie by the 1860s. Then someone had the brilliant idea to add pecans, probably only in the late 1800s." Whonting (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2026 (UTC)

@Whonting thanks. I think the safest thing to do is say its not actually English or American - the blogger has done a huge research project on it, but because its a blog we shouldn't use it, which is a shame. The Sweet inventions quote is again different from the Oxford companion, and this article says that it was transparent pudding in England in 18th century , and it says it differs from Chess pie as it uses wheat flour instead of corn meal to thicken. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 15:07, 25 July 2026 (UTC)