Talk:Chapel (programming language)

Notability

Every product article needs reliable independent sources WP:RS to establish notability WP:N as required by WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH.

The sources cited here are weak. I found the first one (Modular programming languages: 7th Joint Modular Languages Conference) on Amazon but according to the table of contents, the cited page 20 is in the middle of an article titled, "Event-Based Programming Without Inversion of Control", by Philipp Haller and Martin Odersky; David E. Lightfoot, named as the author is the volume editor. I wasn't able to find the article yet, but this sounds like a mention.

The second one (Future Information Technology, Part I: 6th International Conference) is better. It hasn't been released yet but after searching, I found it online; I'll update the reference in the article. And as a primary source, the sourceforge link is useless for establishing notability. I would prefer to see a second good source.

I'm also concerned that the article appears to largely paraphrase the Chapel Overview on the Cray site for the purpose of promoting WP:PROMOTION a future product (e.g., "It is being developed as part of the Cray Cascade project") WP:CRYSTAL. Msnicki (talk) 23:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Some Proposed Changes

I have a conflict of interest with Chapel, so cannot make these changes myself, but propose the following improvements:

• updating the website from http://chapel.cray.com to https://chapel-lang.org to reflect a recent (fall 2017) change in the project's URL.
• updating the external link to point to Chapel's GitHub repository (https://github.com/chapel-lang/chapel) rather than the SourceForge repository which ceased to be the primary project repository in 2014.
• fixing the formatting of, or removing, the trademark (TM) symbols on the references to the Cray MTA / XMT extensions to C and Fortran in the "influenced by" section on the sidebar. In my Chrome browser on my laptop, they appear as "Cray MTATM /XMTTMextensions to..." rather than "Cray MTA (TM) / XMT (TM) extensions to..."
• updating the "first appeared" date on the sidebar to an earlier year. 2003 is when the project started (https://chapel-lang.org/publications/PMfPC-Chapel.pdf) and was publicly announced. The earliest commits to the source repository were in 2004 (https://github.com/chapel-lang/chapel/graphs/contributors), the first by-request release was in 2006 (https://chapel-lang.org/publications/PMfPC-Chapel.pdf), and the first public release was in 2008 (https://github.com/chapel-lang/chapel/blob/master/CHANGES.md#version-08). I'm not sure what the current 2009 date refers to, but it seems misleadingly recent.
• updating the introductory text to refer to the DARPA HPCS program (which wrapped up in 2012) as where Chapel originated from, but not what drives it today (https://chapel-lang.org/publications/PMfPC-Chapel.pdf, https://chapel-lang.org).
• adding a reference to the Chapel Chapter from MIT Press' "Programming Models for Parallel Computing" (https://mitpress.mit.edu/programming-models-parallel-computing) to the "Further Reading" section (this is the PMfPC-Chapel.pdf document I referred to in the previous bullet).

Thanks for your consideration. 136.162.66.1 (talk) 04:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

@136.162.66.1: Partly done:

• Replaced Template:SourceForge with Template:GitHub in external links. (Special:Diff/741739593)
• Formatted infobox influenced by section, dropped trademark notations and wikilinked to articles. (Special:Diff/741740560)

As for the other three points I believe most of the statements are true. Programming Models for Parallel Computing is a primary source, as the book author Bradford L. Chamberlain seems to be a Principal Engineer at Cray Inc. I will hold this edit request for another review by another author. 80.221.159.67 (talk) 10:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)