Talk:Calque

Difference between loan translation and phraseological calque?

As far as the descriptions and examples go, these are pretty much the same thing, it seems. I see no difference in nature between "flea market" > Dutch "vlooienmarkt" and "skyscraper" > Dutch "wolkenkrabber". The article claims that the latter is a loan translation while the former is a phraseological calque. The latter, however, isn't a perfect calque because it means "cloudscraper" not "skyscraper". CodeCat (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

An example

I think an example should be given in the first example. The examples in the second paragraph are too meta/recursive to help. -Reagle (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific? I don't understand your meaning. Thanks. Nihil novi (talk) 19:46, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

"flea market" is a loan translation

It's a noun-noun compound, that just happens to be written as two words because of English spelling rules. It's not a phrase, syntactically. So there should be a more appropriate example for phraseological calques. Rua (mew) 15:17, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I understand that your objection to the "flea market" example stems from the Webster's-dictionary definition of a "phrase" as "a group of two or more words that can function as a grammatical structure (e.g., of mine, giving parties, fresh milk)".

However, the Wikipedia "constituent (linguistics)" article states: "A phrase is a sequence of one or more words (in some theories two or more) built around a head lexical item and working as a unit within a sentence."

Perhaps someone could help clarify the concept of "phrase" in this context? Does it have to denote "more than one" word?

Nihil novi (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

nn.wikipedia.org

Loppmarknad, but no such page there .Xx236 (talk) 08:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I think it's better if the words link to Wiktionary rather than Wikipedia, like in the "mouse" section. Wiktionary is concerned with words, after all, and its goal is to have entries for all these words. The same can't be said for Wikipedia, which may never have an appropriate page to link to. Rua (mew) 09:23, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loppemarknad#Norwegian_Nynorsk Xx236 (talk) 10:20, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for a very constructive suggestion. That should work well, so long as all the pertinent words are entered into Wiktionary.

I have, incidentally, been finding Wiktionary an excellent (if not always invariably complete) resource in composing texts.

Nihil novi (talk) 18:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

"Calaq" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Calaq. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Semantic loan hybrid?

When language X directly borrow a word from language A and same time semantic loaned directly from language B, what the term for this situation? Rex Aurorum (talk) 19:49, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Not sure I understand what you mean. Maybe if you gave an example it would be clearer. --Macrakis (talk) 20:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

There are term in Javanese ngundhuh (to harvest). Then in English 'download' (in computing). Then Indonesian borrow ngunduh as mengunduh then give this semantic loan download. Rex Aurorum (talk) 02:17, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

That end bit doesn’t really seem relevant.

Everything from “ The Latin word translātiō ("a transferring")… ” on in the meat of the article seems tacked on like something a student would do to fluff out their word count.

It goes for three paragraphs describing the etymology of various languages’ adoptions of two forms of “translate” in Latin, and ultimately concludes that none of them are calques.

While this seems superficially relevant, there’s no indication that anyone would think “translation” is a calque, so there’s no reason to do three paragraphs worth of text to explain that something isn’t what nobody thought it was.

It’s sort of like if the article on Elvis ended with several paragraphs explaining why he can’t possibly secretly be alive and pretending to be Obama. Sure, it’s true, and I guess it’s Elvis related, but... nobody thought that, you know? 2601:1C2:5000:1472:D94D:40C7:4731:A8DD (talk) 11:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Unclear source of references 10,12,13

I can't seem to determine the actual source used in references #10, #12, and #13, which all show a variation of:

"[ ... ] listed in the 3:30, 12 September 2020 edition of the "Calque" article."

Does anyone know what source material these are referencing? Search engine results limited to the date 9/12/2020 for articles named "Calque" did not uncover an answer for me and I'm very interested in referencing the original material cited several times in this Wiki.

Evdevreed (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

It seems to be referring to this version of the Wikipedia Calque article. This is not an acceptable form of referencing. It was added to the page in this edit. Mindmatrix 00:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Long spiel at the end of article

@Nardog: As has been mentioned before on this talk page there is a long and pointless discussion at the end of the article about the Latin word "translātiō" and the English word "translate" and how it infact isn't a calque. I don't see any reason for it being here other than taking up space in the article. Unless you can give a good reason why it should stay I think it should be removed. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 07:19, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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• ... that the word "calque" is a loanword, but "loanword" is a calque?

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Tiny edit to template

I did the world's tiniest formatting edit to the template for the Mandarin calque that appears in the lede section. I hope it doesn't mess anything up.

AmyFou (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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