Talk:Bethmaus
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Big mess: tell and khirba, archaeology and sources mixed together: NOT THE SAME!
[edit]! Arminden (talk) 11:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- We have now:
- Others place the ancient Bethmaus (Ma'on) at the site of the nearby ruined Arab village of Khirbet Nadhr ad-Din or Kh. Naṣr ad-Din, saying that with the passing of time, the old namesake was transferred to Tell Maʿūn, a short distance away.
- None of the maps in the article shows Kh. Naṣr ad-Din.
- Where is Kh. Naṣr ad-Din?
- How close are the 2 sites to each other?
- Is the tell indeed one = an accumulation of archaeol. debris?
- Are there two distinct ancient settlement sites, one on the tell and one at the khirba?
- Essential facts & data so far left out. Arminden (talk) 12:05, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- Onceinawhile and Zero0000, hi. The fmr village (Nasir ad-Din, Palestine) has 3-4 maps, and the 1940s map has both sites.
- What is the size of a square there, so we can aporoximate how far apart the 2 sites are?
- Is the "map overlap" option restricted to the infobox? Here it would help to see where in Upper Tiberias both sites are now, but we can't replace the map in the infobox with 1940s and modern maps when the topic is HB and antiquity-related. Or can we keep both?
- Arminden (talk) 13:01, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- Archaeological findings would help a lot with knowing which site is a candidate for what. We have close to zero on archaeology. Arminden (talk) 13:30, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- Google Maps seems helpful. It had
- Tel Maon, Tiberias
- Arazim St, Tiberias
- The khirba is (was?) apparently at the S end of Arazim.
- The aerial distance seems to be of some 700-750 m. Given the harsh and steep relief, I don't think they were part of the same settlement. The top of the hill looks perfect for a watch tower, but less so for a settlement (water!).
- For Tel Maon the aerial view is slightly more useful than the street view. Arminden (talk) 13:47, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- Google Maps seems helpful. It had
- Archaeological findings would help a lot with knowing which site is a candidate for what. We have close to zero on archaeology. Arminden (talk) 13:30, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- Onceinawhile and Zero0000, hi. The fmr village (Nasir ad-Din, Palestine) has 3-4 maps, and the 1940s map has both sites.
The grid on the maps of the Survey of Palestine at scales 1:10K to 1:50K has 1km separation. Zerotalk 08:17, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
SWP "only found ruins there" - not!
[edit]- ... tentatively identified with the site of Tell Maʿūn by Kitchener, who only found ruins there in 1877 [cf. Conder (1879)]
Neither Kitchener, nor Conder "only found ruins there" - neither quoted pages gives any description at all! Either addit. page missing, or it's OR => removed for now. Arminden (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2026 (UTC)