Talk:Azure Dragon

Jade Dragon

Do the rest of you think that there is a likely link here? John Carter 18:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you wondering if the Azure Dragon myths inspired that comic book? I read the Jade Dragon article and I don't really see any similarities other than that both feature Chinese-styled dragons. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. It seemed to me likely that they tried to "borrow" the concept to show some cultural literacy, but if there's no specific obvious parallels there's probably no reason to create a link between the two articles. John Carter 20:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't have scriptural facts to back up the claims I'm about to make, but I think they make sound sense. Have you ever thought about it this way? Dragons don't exist. They are "Mythical" Creatures. You may wonder why I am saying this, but it isn't hard to understand. Traditionally, mythological creatures have no concrete form. Cultures decide what form to reproduce in order to idolize these myths. So, it isn't too far of a stretch to say that a dragon (in the eastern sense) LOOKS the way it does because it has no real form. The winding serpent body of eastern dragons 'could' be the symbolic representation of this very lack of form ('could' because I have no reference). It also 'could' be true that dragons (as a whole, in an eastern context) represent a PRESENT TENSE idol. They could be the symbolic representation of eternity in the PRESENT TENSE. Perpetual explosion of time, restrained to a single moment, NOW.

Picture

Do we actually have any sources to point out that the image in the article - Image:Japan Kyoto KiyoMizuDera fountain DSC00611.jpg - is specifically of the Azure Dragon? Because that statue could be just a regular dragon. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright since nobody commented on this, I'm going to go ahead and remove the picture. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Should it be explained?

In the origin section, it is stated that the white tiger and green dragon possess Tang and Liao Dynasty heroes. Should it be explained that the traditional Chinese time scale does not distinguish past present and future with DATES and is instead a regenerative system? To explain this would explain more than just time. It would shed light on how it is believed that the West Side White Tiger and East Side Green Dragon TRAVEL IN TIME to the Tang and Liao Dynasties & perpetually affect eternity...

Also, should we rearrange the origin section so that the Azure Dragon's origin is before the White tiger, or should we add a sentence explaining how the white tiger generates the green dragon?

Also, the origin section is quite cluttered with somewhat unnecessary information. Not that the info isn't enlightening, I just think we could cut down the clutter if some of these names had their own WIKIs. Then we could just link to the names and the Sinitic logographs could be located there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 (talk) 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

In the ``Influence section: I was quite confused by the sentence:

 ``In Philippines a Princess Maria Maricar Oroh Ghelle a Symbol of 4 elements Azure Dragons one of the four guardian spirits of cities and is said to protect the city of Kyoto on the east a very calm guardian leaving anonymous nobody knows where she is except her Mother. (And then more discussion about Japan ...)

Last time I checked, Kyoto is in Japan and not in the Philippines! Is there any chance of getting _back_ to the original meaning of this sentence? I suspect with a small amount of changed wording, and possibly a few additional sentences, it will make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.84.163.134 (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Misleading

After reading the origins section, the impression I get is that the Azure Dragon comes from Japan, and that it is simply a novel reference for the Chinese. Where I am though, it is understood beyond any doubt that these are Chinese cultural references with relation to Chinese Astronomy. References to the dragon date back to some 6000 years before today, as per acheological evidence found in chinese tombs. This should be made clear. Perhaps the section on Japan should be mentioned in relation to it's prominence in popular culture rather than as part of it's origins instead, as the dragon is clearly an "imported product"? Chengwm (talk) 13:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Popular culture

Removal today of the popular culture section since it has been tagged since April for improvement (trivial content) and very little improvement has been made. Use the talk page to discuss. Jooojay (talk) 03:07, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion

This article is better than some of the other symbols w/r/t stating in the lead that the dragon was a composite of the Chinese asterisms in the eastern sky. The very clear treatment and illustrations (p. 329) in the treatment of China in

• Kelley, David H.; et al. (2005), Exploring Ancient Skies: An Encyclopedic Survey of Archaeoastronomy, New York: Springer Science+Business Media.

could help further clarify and source the point. — LlywelynII 15:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)